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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2009, 10:36:18 AM »
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but they are all about the healthy snacks.

Ya mean like that case of "peeps" ya had last time we were over and ya gave Faye a bunch of?  :o


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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2009, 10:42:34 AM »
I'll tell you like I told Matt.  That thing was a waste of money!  The kids ate some out of one pack and then didn't want to have anything to do with them.  They went stale rotting in the pantry.  Hope you enjoyed them while they were still good.

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2009, 10:43:48 AM »
I think I ate one or at most two. Decided they weren't for me. Dunno if Faye and Phil finished the rest or not.


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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2009, 10:56:17 AM »
Look up side affects.  It has caused a death.

The problem the school system would rather have a doped kid that try to deal with an active kid.

There are alternatives such as fish oils and other methods.  Look up Dr Douglas and Dr Wright.  Go to LEF.org and look up ADD/adhd.  They will have protocols maybe.

Don't give in to Big Pharma.

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2009, 11:16:33 AM »
Stale Peeps are the best!

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2009, 12:56:25 PM »
I know here in MN it is in the best interest ofthe school to get a dianoses of ADHD or whatever the weekly problem is with kids these days. Reason being is when that child is diagnosed with whatever they wanna dianose them with. The child is now a "special needs" child. Get it Heather, the school is looking for more money.
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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2009, 01:34:03 PM »
Heather,

One thing you said drove it home and answered your own question.  When you said he wouldnt dare be out of line with Matt, you hit the nail on the head.  If he can behave then, I guarantee you he does not have ADHD.  A true ADHD has no control and would act out no matter where they are, or whom they are with.  This is a matter of a teacher not having control and a child knowing when to push buttons.  It is close to the end of the school year. See if you can let it slide to the next year and request a male teacher if possible.  Then poof I bet the problem goes away.  Not that he does not behave with you, I am sure he does but kids know how to push mom's buttons too.  But the bottom line is if he can reel it in when he is around certain people, he can reel it in anytime if he chooses to and is made to by the teacher.  Tell them that and watch their eyebrows raise. 
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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2009, 03:06:43 PM »
"Do not put him on these drugs except as a last resort."

That is my position.  "I know of the case........"  Anyway we fought the school, finally took him off them - he is now finally making real progress not just getting socially promoted.  Problem is all the time he lost meanwhile.

We are all worried about Big Brother coming, face it he is HERE NOW!  The real question is "is it too late?"

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2009, 04:20:50 PM »
you two tickle me.. we got a peep into ya family..greybeard an heather i mean. now thats funny. slim

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2009, 12:35:36 AM »
Hummm.
I am aware of children who are distruptive from my wife, the hen.
No teacher wants zombies, they sure don't need disruptive children who take up space and energy away from the profession of teaching.
Do your own research, use doctors/physcologist to determine what the cause of the problem is. It is for your benefit as well as your child.
There is obviously a concern that both you and the school has determined exists.
If you had 20/25 children you were tasked with teaching and there was disruption, would you not want a solution?
Find a solution. The school has other children who need teaching.
What would you want, as a teacher, if there is no solution?
Sorry that I can't offer any advice that will cause you to defend your child. I know you love him.
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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2009, 12:42:33 AM »
First. I feel your pain Heather, as all parents do. Try to cool down a little and look for some real alternatives to fighting this, if you can. I know it seems that there are few right now but there will be an answer and you will get through this. The main thing for now is to not discuss this with your son and don't let him see your distress.

Realize that the school system as all our systems are screwed up. To participate we must play the rules to our advantage if possible or we have to go into a cacoon and that helps no one.

If you have until next school year it would be good. You could try to deal with your child's behavior problems yourself or get help from a doctor that feels as you do about the meds. They are out there. You have to realize that you con fight this or try to out smart them, which ain't so tough.

Mental health is a major problem in our country and mental illness is real and can be helped with meds but it is like eyesight. No one can see through your eyes and no one can see how we think. This will not be your last hurtle as a parent. Handle it well and your son will see that you love him and grow strong and healthy.

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2009, 05:39:56 AM »
My wife spent about thirty years in the classroom as a volunteer mother, and a Teachers Aid in title I classes.  She was very interested in your post.  She says there are a lot of children that do not like how the drugs make them feel.  Schools in California cannot legally force drugs upon a child.  If the school system receives Federal Funding the school has to accommodate the child.  Normally there is a program for this.

In a class room of thirty children the teacher has two minutes per child every hour.  We all want our children to get individual attention, but do the math.

The loss of a teacher in a classroom has an emotional impact on the students.  Parents in the classroom can help bridge this gap. I know from experience.  I started school in a two room, one through eight school.  In one school year we had seven teachers.  In my class of fifteen, thirteen of us had to repeat a class.  By the third grade we had a new school and teaching conditions improved.  But we all paid a price in the long run.  The two students who continued on had a mother who was well educated and worked in town for the County Schools.  Her kids received a lot of support in the home.

Those parents who volunteer in the classroom help all the students and add value to the school.  By assisting all the students your student does not feel picked out.  In contrast there are times an adult has to set next to a day dreaming, bored student to help them focused.  I know I spent my time day dreaming about hunting, fishing, and when school let out. Home schooling does not work in all cases.  I have one grandchildren who have been home school because or parental concerns about who their kids will have to associate with.  My wife because her background, her love, and a lot of smarts has made home schooling successful. 

In many school districts being a parent volunteer is not easy.  Even as a youth coach I was finger printed and a background check was done on me.  I was comfortable with the process because it is designed to protect the children.  The process cost the school money, and the candidate needs to be committed, not fly by night.

My father spent a great deal of time going over school work with a younger brother.  My younger brother benefitted.  This created a very tight bond between them.  In turn he did not have a strong bond with our mother.
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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2009, 06:27:11 AM »
As a Martial Arts Instructor along with being a coach of different sports I fully understand how imporntant it is for one child not to take up the teachers time.  That is why I volunteered to print out some more difficult work, take it to the school, and be responsible for grading it myself.  His regular teacher did not want my help and she handled Evan well.  When she went on maternity leave I made the same offer to the sub.  She said she would not allow me to bring him the work, and she doubted she had time.  I told her that I didn't know of another way to make him behave in her class, and she told me she had never met a child she couldn't control.  I tried to warn her up front. 

After he started being a problem for her I reapproched the subject of the extra work and it was once again dismissed.    He is punished at home for misbehaving at school. If there is something else I could do as a parent to make this easier on the school, besides putting my child on medication, I am yet aware of it.  I guess I could stop teaching him things at home so they would be new to him in school, but somehow that just doesn't seem right.

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2009, 06:21:22 AM »
It is tough to help when your help is not wanted.  I am in favor of martial arts and the respect children and adults learn in it.  I have three granddaughters who have blackbelts, and a fourth one earning her way.  At eight she is too young for a blackbelt but she will reach her goal.  I was amazed at four she was doing setups.
 
Tae Kwon Do has become the family obsession.  The Home Schooled gives P.E. credit for it, it teaches respect. And it is a great family activity, even if you are an observer.  As students progress into the upper belts, they learn communication skills and become teachers.  You know this but I put it out for those who have never followed Tae Kwon Do.  My image of it has done a big turn round in the last 15-years.  It is one of those activities that add glue to the family structure.

The Church is part of the glue, with many members attending their church of choice.
 
The value of your extended family in working with your son cannot be under estimated.  I enjoy the benefits of having family close.  Mothers Day will bring us together again.  The granddaughters are putting together a feast for their mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother.  I understand that Dad, grandpa, and great-grandpa (step) have been invited.  Kids grow up fast and roles change quickly.

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2009, 07:32:28 AM »
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but they are all about the healthy snacks.

Ya mean like that case of "peeps" ya had last time we were over and ya gave Faye a bunch of?  :o


Peeps were mine.... I got a case of them for $3.00 and man were they good... even though they were a little stale...

As to Evan doing as he is told.... well the boy is just your typical active 6yr old boy... he pushes to the limits to test them each chance he gets... I did the same thing and I guess I am paying for it now... There is not anything wrong with him and he will not be medicated as long as I have a say in the matter... I would much rather deal with a child with an imagination than one that sits glued to the TV with a blank stare on the face like the lights are on but nobody is home.  My brother has 2 step children that are medicate and I think it is because his wife just did not want to put up with them... But each to their own I guess...

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2009, 04:42:19 PM »
Hi Heather, this is Mrs. xxlt250rxx. As a kindergarten teacher in AL, I understand how impulsive little boys and girls can be. I have been teaching for 20 years and have had many students over the years with ADHD. Never have I heard of any school making a parent put their child on medication. It can be suggested, but my understanding is that it is the parent's decision. I would contact the Alabama State Dept. of Education and ask some questions regarding this matter. Also, if it turns out that they can force you to put him on medication, I would suggest they pay for it.

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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2009, 01:48:45 AM »
Heather,

Ritalin and other drugs used for this purpose are powerful mind altering drugs, administered to a child whose brain will not be fully developed until his early 20s. I would never put a kid on it unless there was an extreme case, with a strong medical reason to do so. This is one of the most over-prescribed drugs in history. Unless yours is an extreme case where there is a medical reason to apply this drug, then do not do it.

If the issue is a disruptive child, then there are other ways of dealing with it. Home schooling, private school or tutoring, etc. Powerful drugs should be the last resort.

The over-use of this drug is a national scandal.


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« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2009, 02:03:02 AM »
Heather:

Back to your original question, it hardly matters whether it's legal. What often matters with school systems is the threat of a legal challenge. Here in Minnesota, the threat of a legal challenge by a parent is sufficient to stop an action like this. It might be worth a couple of hundred bucks to get counsel on this.  At the very least, the lawyer will be able to clearly spell out and interpret the statute for you, if there is one.
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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2009, 03:53:49 AM »
As a kindergarten teacher in AL,... Never have I heard of any school making a parent put their child on medication. It can be suggested, but my understanding is that it is the parent's decision. I would contact the Alabama State Dept. of Education and ask some questions regarding this matter.

I have held off commenting on this because I don't know AL law.  But wife Kathie is an elementary school principle her in Jawja and I talked to her about it.  She was incensed that a school administration would try to do that.  I think XxLT250RxX (you gotta get a shorter handle there teach!   ;D ) gave you good advice as did Questor.
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Re: Is this legal?
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2009, 05:04:03 AM »
Heather,

I have ADHD.  I am 56 yrs. old.  It didn't have a name when I was a kid, so they just sent me to the office.  The principal would sit and talk with me like a grownup, and soon started giving me extra projects.  I would go in the winter and light the coal heaters in the gym.  I helped the janitor clean the boiler.  He bought dry cell batteries and wire and switches, and we designed electrical circuits.  I have worked as an electronics, electrical tech. the last almost 40 years.

Your child may be extremely bright, ahead of his peers, and bored stiff.  Do not put him on these drugs except as a last resort.

My wife has worked with children for many years.  A child who is "uncontrollable" must be differered from a child who is hard to control and needs extra attention

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This is exactly what I was thinking, some students need to be challenged and steered in the right direction. Unfortunately most shools and teachers dont /wont take the time. So they medicate!
Twenty years ago I would never had said this but now I would suggest home school before medication!
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