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Double D · « **on:** May 08, 2009, 05:07:26 PM »

The Discovery Channel program "Doing Da Vinci is build a Machine gun right now! Leonardo Da Vinci

RocklockI · « **Reply #1 on:** May 08, 2009, 06:01:59 PM »

would they have just used a long powder tray to light them in a row ?

it works for bottle rockets .

Victor3 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 09, 2009, 01:35:56 AM »

Old pic of me with a complaint machine gun

Double D · « **Reply #3 on:** May 09, 2009, 04:12:20 AM »

Ah, compliant , not complaint!

But you knew that.

The also built the Da Vinci tank.

The Tank build had an interesting build of a breech loading gun. It hadremovable chambers wedge in place.

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #4 on:** May 09, 2009, 02:52:03 PM »

Quote from: Double D on May 08, 2009, 05:07:26 PM

The Discovery Channel program "Doing Da Vinci is build a Machine gun right now! Leonardo Da Vinci
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That's one I actually saw! (I was in Raleigh, NC on business and the TV in the motel had it on.)

It did look like they had at least one level headed resource that knew something about cannons. Although I wonder if what they built would stand up over time (no details on powder chamber or charges were given).

cannonmn · « **Reply #5 on:** May 10, 2009, 02:27:17 AM »

I have one like that with four rows of barrels superposed, 32 in all, .31 caliber. Is in an inconvenient location or I'd post pic right now, maybe later today. Not too old, but it works.

KABAR2 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 10, 2009, 02:43:30 AM »

Quote from: Victor3 on May 09, 2009, 01:35:56 AM

Old pic of me with a complaint machine gun

This photo may explain allot of things

Sometime in the past Victor thought he was Rambo.................

Sad to say between my back,knees & age I can't pose like that with my 1919A6....

Victor3 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2009, 06:43:39 PM »

Quote from: KABAR2 on May 10, 2009, 02:43:30 AM

This photo may explain allot of things

Sometime in the past Victor thought he was Rambo.................

Sad to say between my back,knees & age I can't pose like that with my 1919A6....

Thought I was Rambo? I is Vicbo!

Same day the pic was taken with the M60, I lit off a 100 round belt from a 1919A6 holding it the same way. Not very accurate, but with 100 rounds, who needs accuracy?

GGaskill · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2009, 08:24:36 PM »

Not very accurate, but with 100 rounds, who needs accuracy?

Depends how many enemy are charging. If there are many more than a platoon, 100 rounds doesn't allow for many misses.

Victor3 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 11, 2009, 12:33:16 AM »

Quote from: GGaskill on May 10, 2009, 08:24:36 PM

Not very accurate, but with 100 rounds, who needs accuracy?

Depends how many enemy are charging. If there are many more than a platoon, 100 rounds doesn't allow for many misses.

Vicbo fears no number of charging enemy...

However, he does fear moderators getting ready to spank him for getting way off-topic, so bubbye to this one.

Terry C. · « **Reply #10 on:** May 11, 2009, 11:19:50 AM »

Time for CANISTER!

Terry C. · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2009, 11:44:23 AM »

BTW: I saw part of the show on The Discovery Channel. Came in late so I didn't get many of the construction details, but the barrels looked to be about 12-pounder bore diameter.

Thirty-three guns, that's more firepower than some warships carried. This was one big, serious machine!

I think I giggled out loud a little when they set off an entire bank of eleven guns.

GGaskill · « **Reply #12 on:** May 11, 2009, 01:48:50 PM »

Time for CANISTER!

Speaking of canister, I wonder why a 33 barrel volley gun would be considered superior to one round of canister from a cannon. Surely a second round could be loaded and fired before the 33 barrel gun could be reloaded (and that is not even counting double canister.)

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #13 on:** May 11, 2009, 03:12:45 PM »

Battles are over in a few minutes.
Concentrations of people are prime targets.
And, I would assume, that the round ball would have greater range than canister; but all 11 barrels could be loaded with canister or a combination.

GGaskill · « **Reply #14 on:** May 11, 2009, 03:58:25 PM »

... but all 11 barrels could be loaded with canister or a combination.

True but the Da Vinci gun barrels didn't look like they were big enough for canister.

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #15 on:** May 11, 2009, 04:20:40 PM »

As there were no dimensions on the original drawing, I'll -- ASSUME -- that they could be loaded with 'whatever'.

Terry C. · « **Reply #16 on:** May 12, 2009, 12:39:33 AM »

George, did you see the show? The one they built was HUGE!

Plenty big enough for shell or canister.

Double D · « **Reply #17 on:** May 12, 2009, 02:56:38 AM »

The rotating triangular multi barrel gun was a 6PDR. The tank gun was smaller 2 pdr.

subdjoe · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2009, 03:43:18 AM »

Be a heck of a thing for trying to take down a wall or gate. I would think that for use against troops you would want a slight spread.

Ex 49'er · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2009, 05:14:32 AM »

I wonder if Da Vinci was even aware of or had knowledge of cannister?

Double D · « **Reply #20 on:** May 12, 2009, 05:16:06 AM »

According to the Discovery Channel website the show is on 10 PM E/P Mondays. So if you watch Discovery Channel you will find the show repeated a dozen times all week. I like watching these shows. No some much for the main theme, but if you watch you can pick up some neat building tricks.

Another show that I started watching when I was in South Africa for these tips is American choppers. I don't watching waterjets work or the Tuetels tantrums. But when Paul Sr picks up the torch and starts woking metal the old way it is very interesting. I love to watch him work with the layout table and chalk, fascinating. The rest of the drama I can do with out.

cannonmn · « **Reply #21 on:** May 12, 2009, 09:12:29 AM »

Here's my FCMG. When the trays are all loaded and quickmatch installed in the vertical troughs, it fires so it almost sounds like one bang, but not quite. All the barrels fire in something less than one second, but I never timed it precisely, nor videotaped it. I've always thought about cleaning up the welds so it looked better, which is easy to do, but I never got around to it. As you can see it isn't too big, but it must weigh 75 lbs., there's a lot of steel in it. Elevation is adjustable, see the perforated arc with the long retaining pin underneath.

GGaskill · « **Reply #22 on:** May 12, 2009, 12:46:26 PM »

George, did you see the show?

No, I seldom watch any TV. I don't even have a digital compatible set now. Anyway, I thought we were talking about the Da Vinci-style gun at the top of the thread.

Terry C. · « **Reply #23 on:** May 12, 2009, 03:09:02 PM »

The gun they built was like the one pictured in the first post, built on a massive scale.

33 barrels in three banks of 11. The individual barrels were each very large guns in and of themselves.

The completed machine required considerable effort by the entire team to move.

Cannoneer · « **Reply #24 on:** May 12, 2009, 06:32:53 PM »

Quote from: cannonmn on May 12, 2009, 09:12:29 AM

Here's my FCMG. When the trays are all loaded and quickmatch installed in the vertical troughs, it fires so it almost sounds like one bang, but not quite. All the barrels fire in something less than one second, but I never timed it precisely, nor videotaped it. I've always thought about cleaning up the welds so it looked better, which is easy to do, but I never got around to it. As you can see it isn't too big, but it must weigh 75 lbs., there's a lot of steel in it. Elevation is adjustable, see the perforated arc with the long retaining pin underneath.

Some day when you've got the time to load this "organ gun" up, and film it going off (with special emphasis on a good slo-mo shot), it would be very interesting to see the firing itself, and what the shot would do to a target.

GGaskill · « **Reply #25 on:** May 12, 2009, 09:13:29 PM »

The completed machine required considerable effort by the entire team to move.

Were they moving it with man power? What kind of surface was it on?

Victor3 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 12, 2009, 10:37:13 PM »

Quote from: cannonmn on May 12, 2009, 09:12:29 AM

Here's my FCMG. When the trays are all loaded and quickmatch installed in the vertical troughs, it fires so it almost sounds like one bang, but not quite. All the barrels fire in something less than one second...

John,

It might be more interesting to watch going off using black match rather than quick. That way there would be more of a delay between shots.

Are the bores large enough to stuff firecrackers into?

Or maybe little rockets?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/RM_70_MRL.jpg/180px-RM_70_MRL.jpg

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #27 on:** May 12, 2009, 11:57:19 PM »

AHHHH HA !

FIRECRACKER SCALE !

Double D · « **Reply #28 on:** May 13, 2009, 02:25:55 AM »

Quote from: GGaskill on May 12, 2009, 09:13:29 PM

The completed machine required considerable effort by the entire team to move.

Were they moving it with man power? What kind of surface was it on?

George the gun was a large wheeled model built in large studio shop with cement floor. The barrels where 6 PDR. 12 to a tier on a triangular frame, total 36 barrels about 4 1/2 to 5 feet long.

Finding pictures of what they built is tough.

At the bottom of the page is drawing of the gun. http://www.union.edu/Resources/Campus/mandeville/past/exhibits/davinci-95/index.php

This is the only picture I could find of the actual gun.http://laughingsquid.com/doing-davinci-flash-hopkins-debuts-on-the-discovery-channel/

GGaskill · « **Reply #29 on:** May 13, 2009, 12:26:08 PM »

... the gun was a large wheeled model built in large studio shop with cement floor. The barrels where 6 PDR. 12 to a tier on a triangular frame, total 36 barrels about 4 1/2 to 5 feet long.

So it wasn't tested in the field on dirt or in mud. It would likely be too unwieldy for actual combat use except maybe for defense of a fixed installation.