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Offline BoomLover

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Argentina Cast Brass Barrels
« on: May 08, 2009, 06:49:38 PM »
Anyone have any experience or info on Argentina Cast Brass Barrels. 21 inches long, 40 pounds, 1 1/2" bore, steel liner, muzzle loader, stamped 03 27, and H.M.S. Victory, 1805, Black Powder Only, Made in Argentina, on a Naval carriage with steel rimmed wheels, quoin, ropes, and ram. Paperwork says "cast of Foundry Cannon Brass, same as Forged Bells" and 400/500 grains 1Fg B.P. recommended. I'm guessing mfg 2003, barrel #27. Any info would be helpful. Thanks, BoomLover
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Re: Argentina Cast Brass Barrels
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2009, 07:12:11 PM »
Maybe from Réplicas de Armas Antiguas?  A forum sponsor.
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Re: Argentina Cast Brass Barrels
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2009, 01:52:55 AM »
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cast of Foundry Cannon Brass, same as Forged Bells

I'd be interested to hear a metallurgical explanation of that, because I think something was lost in translation.  Bells as I understand are considerably higher in tin content than gunmetal bronze (90/10) so I don't know what is meant by the marking.

And for that matter, "forged bells?"

Not sure at all what they are getting at.

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Re: Argentina Cast Brass Barrels
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2009, 02:30:24 AM »
bells often have between 20 and 30 percent tin ,
it depends on what sound you want in it .
the more tin the higher frequency in the tone .

more tin make the alloy harder and more fragile .

if bell bronze was used for a cannon ,
I sure wouldnt want to be close to it when fired .
its way to brittle .

a large bell with low tin content will have a low tone
smaller bells with higher tin content will give higher tones .
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Re: Argentina Cast Brass Barrels
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2009, 04:14:19 AM »
He is in our list of sponsors

Antique Weapons Replicas - Prof. Osvaldo Gatto

there is a long thread about his use of non seamless tubing in these, not  N-SSA approved,

I believe after a long discussion on this board he has changed some manufacturing techniques

including the use of seamless tubing, this cannon is pre seamless tubing by the date.


http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,145823.msg1098595846.html#msg1098595846

Thank you for all tips,

But it seems that people not read correctly what I write on many occasions.
I would be very frustrated by repeating the same thing over and over again.
""From now on I do cannons with seamless tube""
Do not be difficult to understand this, I say this several times before.
Not having sense a forum if not then read the answers.
You have a cannon of my manufacturing and still be alive and funny.
You can shoot golf balls without any problems with that cannon.
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Re: Argentina Cast Brass Barrels
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2009, 04:08:37 AM »
You Fellows are right, it was a Prof. Osvaldo Gatto Barrel, on the Naval Carriage. Thanks for all the replys and I did not buy it! Looked nice, but best to not take a chance. BoomLover
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