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Montana Leads the Way!!!!
« on: May 09, 2009, 01:24:03 AM »

 Montana Governor Signs New Gun Law

 

 

 Executive Summary - The USA state of Montana has signed into power a

 revolutionary gun law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY. The State of Montana has

 defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a

 showdown between the federal government and the State of Montana . The

 federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what

 types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common
goal 
 - confiscation of privately owned firearms.

 Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have
challenged   
 the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them

 saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws

 and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms

 acts. This will be a world-class event to watch. Montana could go to

 voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the
gauntlet
 in Obama's face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face.

 Gotta love it.

 Important Points - If guns and ammunition are manufactured inside the

 State of Montana for sale and use inside that state then the federal

 firearms laws have no applicability since the federal government only
has 
 the power to control commerce across state lines. Montana has the law
on   
 their side. Since when did the USA start following their own laws

 especially the constitution of the USA , the very document that
empowers   
 the USA .

 Silencers made in Montana and Sol in Montana would be fully legal and
not 
 registered. As a note silencers were first used before the 007 movies
as a
 device to enable one to hunt without disturbing neighbors and scaring

 game. They were also useful as devices to control noise when practicing
so
 as to not disturb the neighbors.

 Silencers work best with a bolt-action rifle. There is a long barrel
and   
 the chamber is closed tight so as to direct all the gases though the

 silencer at the tip of the barrel. Semi-auto pistols and revolvers do
not 
 really muffle the sound very well except on the silver screen. The

 revolvers bleed gas out with the sound all over the place. The
semi-auto   
 pistols bleed the gases out when the slide recoils back.

 Silencers are maybe nice for snipers picking off enemy soldiers even

 though they reduce velocity but not very practical for hit men shooting

 pistols in crowded places. Silencers were useful tools for gun
enthusiasts
 and hunters.

 There would be no firearm registration, serial numbers, criminal
records   
 check, waiting periods or paperwork required. So in a short period of
time
 there would be millions and millions of unregistered untraceable guns
in   
 Montana . Way to go Montana !

 Discussion - Let us see what Obama does. If he hits Montana hard they
will
 probably vote to secede from the USA . The governor of Texas has
already   
 been refusing Federal money because he does not want to agree to the

 conditions that go with it and he has been saying secession is a right

 they have as sort of a threat. Things are no longer the same with the
USA 
 . Do not be deceived by Obama acting as if all is the same, it is not.

 

 

 Text of the New Law

 

 

 HOUSE BILL NO. 246

 INTRODUCED BY J. BONIEK, BENNETT, BUTCHER, CURTISS, RANDALL, WARBURTON

 AN ACT EXEMPTING FROM FEDERAL REGULATION UNDER THE COMMERCE CLAUSE OF
THE 
 CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES A FIREARM, A FIREARM ACCESSORY, OR

 AMMUNITION MANUFACTURED AND RETAINED IN MONTANA ; AND PROVIDING AN

 APPLICABILITY DATE.

 BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MONTANA :

 Section 1. Short title. [Sections 1 through 6] may be cited as the

 "Montana Firearms Freedom Act".

 Section 2. Legislative declarations of authority. The legislature
declares
 that the authority for [sections 1 through 6] is the following:

 (1) The 10th amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to
the
 states and their people all powers not granted to the federal
government   
 elsewhere in the constitution and reserves to the state and people of

 Montana certain powers as they were understood at the time that Montana

 was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those powers is a

 matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the
United 
 States as of the time that the compact with the United States was
agreed   
 upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

 (2) The ninth amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to

 the people rights not granted in the constitution and reserves to the

 people of Montana certain rights, as they were understood at the time
that
 Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those rights
is
 a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the

 United States as of the time that the compact with the United States
was   
 agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

 (3) The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the states under

 the 9th and 10th amendments to the United States constitution,

 particularly if not expressly preempted by federal law. Congress has
not   
 expressly preempted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining
to 
 the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms
accessories, 
 and ammunition.

 (4) The second amendment to the United States constitution reserves to
the
 people the right to keep and bear arms as that right was understood at
the
 time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889, and the guaranty
of   
 the right is a matter of contract between the state and people of
Montana 
 and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United

 States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in

 1889.

 (5) Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution clearly secures
to
 Montana citizens, and prohibits government interference with, the right
of
 individual Montana citizens to keep and bear arms. This constitutional

 protection is unchanged from the 1889 Montana constitution, which was

 approved by congress and the people of Montana , and the right exists,
as 
 it was understood at the time that the compact with the United States
was 
 agr eed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

 Section 3. Definitions. As used in [sections 1 through 6], the
following   
 definitions apply:

 (1) "Borders of Montana " means the boundaries of Montana described in

 Article I, section 1, of the 1889 Montana constitution.

 (2) "Firearms accessories" means items that are used in conjunction
with   
 or mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function
of a
 firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights,

 magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks
and   
 grips, speedloaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target

 illumination.

 (3) "Generic and insignificant parts" includes but is not limited to

 springs, screws, nuts, and pins.

 (4) "Manufactured" means that a firearm, a firearm accessory, or

 ammunition has been created from basic materials for functional

 usefulness, including but not limited to forging, casting, machining,
or   
 other processes for working materials.

 Section 4. Prohibitions. A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or

 ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Montana
and   
 that remains within the borders of Montana is not subject to federal
law   
 or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of

 congress to regulate interstate commerce. It is declared by the

 legislature that those items have not traveled in interstate commerce.

 This section applies to a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition
that
 is manufactured in Montana from basic materials and that can be

 manufactured without the inclusion of any significant parts imported
from 
 another state. Generic and insignificant parts that have other

 manufacturing or consumer product applications are not firearms,
firearms 
 accessories, or ammunition, and their importation into Montana and

 incorporation into a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition

 manufactured in Montana does not subject the firearm, firearm
accessory,   
 or ammunition to federal regulation. It is declared by the legislature

 that basic materials, such as unmachined steel and unshaped wood, are
not 
 firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition and are not subject to

 congressional authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and

 ammunition under interstate commerce as if they were actually firearms,

 firearms accessories, or ammunition. The authority of congress to
regulate
 interstate commerce in basic materials does not include authority to

 regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition made in Montana

 from those materials. Firearms accessories that are imported into
Montana 
 from another state and that are subject to federal regulation as being
in 
 interstate commerce do not subject a firearm to federal regulation
under   
 interstate commerce because they are attached to or used in conjunction

 with a firearm in Montana .

 Section 5. Exceptions. [Section 4] does not apply to:

 (1) A firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;

 (2) A firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 1/2 inches and
that 
 uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a propellant;

 (3) ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of

 chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or

 (4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one
activation 
 of the trigger or other firing device.

 Section 6. Marketing of firearms. A firearm manufactured or sold in

 Montana under [sections 1 through 6] must have the words "Made in
Montana 
 " clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or

 frame.

 Section 7. Codification instruction. [Sections 1 through 6] are
intended   
 to be codified as an integral part of Title 30, and the provisions of

 Title 30 apply to [sections 1 through 6].

 Section 8. Applicability. [This act] applies to firearms, firearms

 accessories, and ammunition that are manufactured, as defined in
[section 
 3], and retained in Montana after October 1, 2009.

 

 

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Re: Montana Leads the Way!!!!
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2009, 06:01:17 AM »
This is good! It is my understanding that Texas is soon to follow.
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Re: Montana Leads the Way!!!!
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2009, 06:03:18 AM »
I knew there was a reason that I loved MT!

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Re: Montana Leads the Way!!!!
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2009, 09:56:18 AM »
I hate my pessimistic attitude some times but it has proven right in politics.
I think you will see the govenor of montana backing up like a berry picker with a grizzly zerowed in on him when the mighty fed rears its ugly head.
They may let him save face with some outward appearence of fighting a loseing battle but that will be up to obama.
It want take them long.   
My thoughts, you all have yours and if they are different than mine I hope you are the ones that are right.

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2009, 05:36:27 PM »
  The Rush Towards Socialism – and How To Stop It

by Thomas J. DiLorenzo


It only took the Obama administration a couple of weeks to prove that the national leadership of the Democratic Party is guided by totalitarian-minded socialists who seek to create an omnipotent government. The U.S. government is now controlled by people who have been dreaming of living out their utopian socialist fantasies ever since the fantasies were brought to their attention in college decades ago by their Mao/Castro/Che Guevara poster-hanging, capitalism-hating, communistic professors.

The administration’s main agenda is an explosion of federal spending and debt so large and outrageous that America will soon exceed Sweden in the proportion of the economy that is controlled by government – if it hasn’t already. That’s just for starters. They also want to sharply increase taxes on the most productive and hardest-working people in society; increase the capital gains tax to deter private investment; expand the welfare state; spend trillions on pure, pork barrel spending in a massive vote-buying spree; set all corporate compensation levels by governmental fiat; tax away the wealth of unpopular business people (only starting with those AIG executives); regulate and control all risk taking by private entrepreneurs; enforce a civilian draft to create a modern-day, American version of the Hitler Youth (See Rahm Emanuel’s creepy, Stalinist-sounding book entitled The Plan); nationalize entire industries, starting with the capital markets (they understand that there can be no capitalism without private capital markets); and double, triple, and quadruple the number of "regulators" who already regulate all aspects of human life in America.

At the recent G-20 meeting Obama even signed off on the creation of an international regulatory "authority" that could set compensation policies in American corporations. On top of this, there is a never-ending drumbeat of anti-capitalist propaganda coming from the administration and its worshipful mouthpieces in the "mainstream media."

What can be done? How can this rush toward totalitarian socialism be stopped? Will the Republicans find another old, angry geezer to appeal to the angry white male vote? How about another mumbling and incompetent Bush family heir? Will there be another Reagan who will talk libertarian while governing more like a European Social Democrat? Will they trot out another old "war hero" who will plunge us into war with Iran, North Korea, China, or whomever, to divert our attention away from the economic mess government has placed us in? These are the likely alternatives if we cling to the fantasy that "throwing the bums out" at election time leads to something other than another group of slightly different bums.

The fact is that the American people have been servants or slaves to their government for generations. It wasn’t always that way. When the Adams administration enforced the Sedition Act that made criticism of the federal government illegal, Jefferson and Madison responded with the Virginia and Kentucky Resolves of 1798 that clearly stated that the people did not intend to allow the enforcement of this unconstitutional law within those two states. Section One of Jefferson’s Kentucky Resolve stated, for example, that "the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principles of unlimited submission to their General Government . . ." Other states supported Jefferson and Madison in their defense of free speech.

When President Thomas Jefferson imposed a national trade embargo and consummated the Louisiana Purchase, New Englanders, led by George Washington’s Secretary of State, Timothy Pickering, loudly threatened to secede. They decided against it (for practical economic and political reasons) at the Hartford Secession Convention of 1814, but their actions sent a clear message to national politicians.

Outraged by the embargo, the Massachusetts legislature used the language of Jefferson’s own Kentucky Resolve to proclaim that the embargo "was not legally binding on the citizens of the state" while denouncing the federal law as "unjust, oppressive, and unconstitutional" and reminding President Jefferson that "this state maintains its sovereignty and independence . . ." All the New England states, plus Delaware, did the exact same thing and nullified the embargo.

When Alexander Hamilton’s Bank of the United States, a precursor to the Fed, created 72 percent inflation in the first five years of its existence and corrupted politics with its politicized spending policies, citizens all over the country assisted President Andrew Jackson in eventually destroying the institution. The heroic Ohio legislature slapped a $50,000/year tax on each branch of the BUS, attempting to drive it out of business. "The states have an equal right to interpret the Constitution for themselves," announced the Ohio legislature, and it decided that the BUS was not constitutional. Kentucky, Tennessee, Connecticut, South Carolina, New York, and New Hampshire followed suit.

When the War of 1812 broke out the New England states effectively seceded from the union by refusing to participate. A proclamation by the Connecticut legislature was representative of the opinions of New Englanders: "t must not be forgotten that the state of Connecticut is a FREE SOVEREIGN and INDEPENDENT State; that the United States are a confederated and not a consolidated Republic," and that it was refusing to support the war.

When the 1828 "Tariff of Abominations" created an average tariff rate of 45%, applying mostly to Northern manufactured goods, South Carolinians clearly understood that this was a pure act of political plunder at their expense. They convened a political convention to utilize the Jeffersonian idea of nullification and refused to collect the tariff. They even got the South Carolina legislature to allocate $160,000 for the purchase of firearms with which to fend off any would-be federal tax collectors. The result was that they forced the federal government to lower the tariff rate.

During the 1850s the "middle states" of New York, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, and New Jersey developed a very active secession movement that sought to either join a Southern confederacy, form a middle-states confederacy, or support Southern secession. (See The Secession Movement in the Middle States by William C. Wright). Their overriding desire was to separate themselves from the imperious New England Yankees.

When the Southern states seceded in 1860–61, Abraham Lincoln pledged his everlasting support for Southern slavery in his first inaugural address, an address in which he endorsed a constitutional amendment (the "Corwin Amendment") that would have forbidden the federal government from ever interfering with slavery. In the same speech he promised a military invasion and "bloodshed" in any Southern state that ceased paying his beloved tariff on imports which, at the time, accounted for more than 90% of federal tax revenue. The average tariff rate had just been doubled by the Republican-controlled Congress.

The Southern states, along with most people in the North, still held the Jeffersonian belief that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and when that consent is withdrawn the citizens have a duty to abolish the existing government and form a new one. Jefferson never wrote in the Declaration of Independence that the citizens have a duty to abolish the government and form a new one "as long as the other states all agree that you may do so." If the right of secession depends on someone else’s permission, then one does not have a right of secession. That was a fantasy invented by Lincoln, which he used to "justify" waging total war on his own country, murdering some 350,000 American citizens, including some 50,000 civilians. From that time on, government in America was no longer "for the people, by the people, of the people," as Chief Justice John Marshal once said in a phrase that was later plagiarized by Lincoln. From that time on the purpose of government has been for those who run it to plunder those who do not. Nullification and secession were no longer tools with which the citizens could control their own government.

The final nails in the coffin of government by consent were pounded in during the year 1913 with the advent of the federal income tax, the creation of the Fed, and the Seventeenth Amendment calling for the direct election of U.S. senators. The income tax and the Fed gave the federal government the ability to do whatever it wanted to do regardless of the Constitution – even to wage "undeclared" wars. These vast "riches" were used to make millions of Americans totally subservient to the state lest they lose their tiny government subsidies, and to bribe or threaten state governments to do whatever our masters in Washington, D.C. decree, lest they lose their cherished federal highway grants. The ability of the citizens to oppose the federal Leviathan by organizing political communities at the state and local levels was finally destroyed and the centralized, monopolistic bureaucracy that rules America and much of the rest of the world today was created.

The direct election of U.S. senators, as opposed to the original system of having them appointed by state legislature, ended popular control of the federal government. Today, candidates for the senate go to New York, California, China, or wherever the big money is that can be raised as "campaign contributions" to finance their political careers. The interests of such "contributors" are not necessarily congruent with those of the folks back home.

If American citizens are to resist the rush to Obammunism they must first give up on the fantasy that the Republican Party is anything but another cabal of crooks, conmen and clowns, just like the Democratic Party. The only realistic route to freedom, including a restoration of genuine free enterprise, is through the devolution of power away from Washington, D.C. via peaceful secession and nullification, the original American ideals.

Thomas Jefferson understood that democracy could never work in a country as large as the U.S., let alone one with more than 300 million people. In a January 29, 1804 letter to Dr. Joseph Priestly he wrote: "Whether we remain one confederacy, or form into Atlantic and Mississippi confederacies, I believe not very important to the happiness of either part. Those of the western confederacy will be as much our children & descendants as those of the eastern." On the topic of secession, Jefferson continued: "[D]id I now foresee a separation at some future day, yet I should feel the duty & the desire to promote the western interests as zealously as the eastern, doing all the good for both portions of our future family which should fall within my power." When the New England Federalists were threatening secession, Jefferson wrote to his friend John C. Breckinridge on August 12, 1803 that if New England seceded and created a second confederacy, "God bless them both if it be for their good, but separate them, if it is better."

Unlike Lincoln, Jefferson did not believe in threatening "bloodshed" in the case of a "separation" or secession. He understood that such behavior would be a moral abomination and an unimaginable act of barbarianism. A civilized society does not wage total war on "our children," as Jefferson described the future citizens of a new state formed by an act of secession. Yet it is Lincoln, not Jefferson, who is portrayed by American court historians as a kindly, benevolent, and charitable angel.

The Constitution long ago ceased placing any meaningful limits on governmental power. This social contract between the American people and their government was destroyed long ago by Hamiltonian nationalists. Americans now live under a series of dictators (called "presidents") who all believe that they are essentially dictators of the world, capable of ordering the bombing of any place on earth without anyone’s approval. (Within weeks, Obama dipped his hands in blood by ordering a few bombs to be dropped in Pakistan).

As of this writing, several dozen states have reportedly issued resolutions in support of the Jeffersonian principle of nullification. These will all be completely meaningless unless the American public has the fortitude to actually enforce the resolutions and begin ignoring any and all federal government actions that they interpret as unconstitutional and illegitimate. In addition, citizens of every state should learn about the Second Vermont Republic which, for several years now, has been laying the groundwork for Vermont to secede and once again become an free and independent republic, just as all the states thought of themselves as being prior to 1865.

April 14, 2009

[Thomas J. DiLorenzo is a professor of economics at Loyola College in Maryland and the author of The Real Lincoln; Lincoln Unmasked: What You’re Not Supposed To Know about Dishonest Abe and How Capitalism Saved America. His latest book is Hamilton’s Curse: How Jefferson’s Archenemy Betrayed the American Revolution – And What It Means for America Today.]
The sole purpose of government is to protect your liberty. The Constitution is not to restrict the people, but to restrict government.  Ron Paul

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

“Everyone wants to live at the expense of the State. They forget that the State lives at the expense of everyone.” — Frederic Bastiat