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Hunting brownies in California
« on: May 10, 2009, 05:38:55 PM »
Does anyone on this board hunt CA for Brown bears?  If so, could you tell me what kind of process a no-res would have to go through to be able to hunt them.

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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2009, 05:42:56 PM »
This is a joke right?  ???


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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2009, 05:54:18 PM »
Are California brownies the one with weed in em? 
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2009, 06:30:53 PM »
Maybe check with the tame animal killing section of this board?  They regularly kill things that don't exist in nature.

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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2009, 02:46:26 AM »
Intersting I had a local gun smith state last year he was building a rifle for a nephew to hunt brown bears in Northern Cal. Which I thought was odd butt here it comes again?
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2009, 03:05:40 AM »
Geoff;
I assume you mean brown variation of the black bear?? If so, all color variations are known as black bear; "Brown Bear" indicates Grizzly variation, which have been extinct in California for 100 years or so ( except on their flag, and from what I hear, the Castro district has its share of bears ).
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2009, 09:24:53 AM »
I was stationed in SoCal a few years back and was told there was brown bears in Cali.  I didnt think there were brown bears in Cali but wanted to give it a shot anyways.
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2009, 09:49:04 AM »
There "might" be brown color phase BLACK BEARS in Kalifornia but there are no brown bears aka coastal grizzly bears there. The brown and grizzly are same bear but browns are defined by Boone and Crockett and Pope and Young as living within a defined number of miles of the coast. Since they feed heavily on salmon they tend to grow bigger than inland grizzly bears. Ain't no grizzly bears called brown bears in the lower 48.


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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2009, 09:52:42 AM »
Thanks for the clarification Greybeard.
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2009, 03:26:12 PM »
I should change my question.  Does anyone have any information to offer on hunting black bears in california?  Things like how to get a tag, where would be a good/great place to go any other pertinent information would be very helpfull.
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2009, 12:18:38 AM »
 I have had more than one ask, "so what kind of bears do you hunt in MI & WI?". I would check some type of CA F&G web site for bear hunting info. In many cases here in the lower 48 bear hunting has an application process with a fair lead time on the hunt.
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2009, 01:50:40 PM »
In college there was this girl my buddy was friends with who thought that "monkeys and tigers lived in the Sierra Nevada mountains".  This was in college at Chico State.  *insert joke here*

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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2009, 01:36:46 AM »
Brown bears are one of the wildest and pretty hard to hunt this is what I had read to some articles,  well I haven't heard much about hunting them
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2009, 07:36:07 PM »
Brown Bears live within 60 miles of the coast, where they eat a high protein diet of Salmon.  And they do get big, in some cases over 1000lbs.   Beyond the 60 mile mark they are called Grizzly Bears. 

California, and New Mexico have a lot of Brown Color phase of the Black Bear.  Many people not knowing better call these Brown color phases Brown bear just because they are Brown.  They are still members of the Black Bear family.
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2009, 12:46:34 AM »
Brown Bears live within 60 miles of the coast, where they eat a high protein diet of Salmon.  And they do get big, in some cases over 1000lbs.   Beyond the 60 mile mark they are called Grizzly Bears. 

California, and New Mexico have a lot of Brown Color phase of the Black Bear.  Many people not knowing better call these Brown color phases Brown bear just because they are Brown.  They are still members of the Black Bear family.

I have one rugged on my wall, it even has a blonde skunk stripe down its back.
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2009, 06:11:34 AM »
I was stationed in SoCal a few years back and was told there was brown bears in Cali.  I didnt think there were brown bears in Cali but wanted to give it a shot anyways.
There have not been Brown bears in CA for over 100 years.  Except on the Flag.
There are Black bears.  But no brown bears.

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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2009, 09:35:48 AM »

Back in the late 1960’s I was the FS field representative on a bear study being conducted by a wildlife student from a California college.  (Representative means labor)  Using a standard culvert trap we would capture California Black Bears, sedate them, weight them, record vital measurements, medicate them and on bears of special interest install a track collar.  The bears we concentrated on were problem bears around human habitation, and campgrounds.    For tracking purposes all bears had a large number painted on them. 

While I was assisting the largest bear we captured was a 345 pound, brown color phased Boer.  After handling a number of smaller bears this guy was a little more challenging.  Initially in the process was transporting the bear to a good location to do our work.  The second was to estimate how much medication was needed to knock the bear out.  Because of our experience with lighter bears this guy required a couple of shots.  Part of the problem was the needles kept bending.  The syringe was on the end of a pole which was inserted through the mesh door of the trap.  Three or four needles were bent in the process.  The needles were about the diameter of an 8-penny nail.

One of our catch locations provided a lot of human food to the bears.  It was amazing how fast a bear would return to the site after being released fifty miles away on the far side of a wilderness area.

We kept catching and releasing some smaller bears because we were targeting a large 550-600 class Boer.  During my time the big guy was never caught because the little rascals would race for the goodies and the trap door would slam shut.

The bears I have been writing about are garbage bears.  During the mid 1960’s my mother was fire lookout in a remote area of California.  The lookout set on a peak and the area was surrounded by timber, Manzanita, and wild choke cherry brush.  The decaying logs in the timber provide grubs, ants, and termites for the bear.  A few weeks after the birth of my son we took him up to the tower and spent a day and a night there.  Early in the morning there was twelve bear feeding below the lookout.  All of these bears were black color phase.

Mom was having a few bear issues when going to the spring to refill her water cans she got crosswise with a she bear and a couple of cubs.  This was a scare, but she had another one when she was using the outhouse and an adult bear blocked her exit for about an hour.   When the family and I headed for home I left a rifle with mom.

I buy a California bear tag on occasion because one of my deer hunting partner’s is normally after a bear.  Just in case some goes haywire I will get one to so that if I have to take a shot I am legal.  The Northern California F&G office is located in Redding, CA.  I had planned on stopping and buying a 2009 bear tag when in Redding but my timing was off because the office was closed due to the furlough of State employees ordered by Arnold the Great Outdoorsman.   This is a very busy time of year for that office that sells deer and bear tags to hunters.  In the past I have gone in there to pick up a second tag having filled my first.  There is always a line waiting to be served.  In will be interesting to see how the books balance this year.

It has been almost two weeks and I was hunting by myself.  I had spent about two hours seated against a chunk of old cull log.  I had shot my buck last year from that position.  I decided to move a couple of hundred yards to where I could look across a draw.  I picked up movement in the trees and brush to my right.  It was a 150-200 pound bear about sixty yards away. 

This was the bear I have been waiting for, it had deep chocolate hair, and the bright sun highlighted the gold tips on the hair.  Before the bear went out of sight I had three good opportunities to take a shot.  A favorite 270 Winchester was at my shoulder, it was loaded with 130-grain Barnes TTSX bullets, but I was not tempted because I planned on passing the information to my hunting partner.

The area was a buffet for bears with Manzanita berries, choke cherries, elder berries, and goose berries along with small rodents, and fawns for table fare.

A few days earlier we pushed a bear out of a basin we were driving out of in 4L.  When we hit a paved logging road, I stopped to take my rig out of 4-wheel drive, and then proceed on pavement.  About 100-yards down on pavement we encountered two fresh piles of bear scat, with fresh pools of urine running down the pavement around the scat.  We pulled over in the fading light and looked for the bear but did not spot it.

On the day I was packing for home a logger’s wife stopped by and chatted.  Her husband and his hunting party had spotted twelve black bear while backpack hunting for deer.  They did not take one because they follow a basic rule of thumb that I practice.  Do not shoot a bear far from a road, and preferable the bear is uphill from the road.

Getting a bear out of the woods is a far tougher task then getting a deer out.

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Grizzly bears disappear from California in the 1920’s.  Black bear are common in California.  I have seen numerous brown phase black bears in the Sierra Nevada Mountains and in Southern California.
In the late 1800’s my friend and hunting partner’s great ancestor killed a grizzly bear at the headwaters of the Shasta River and Eddy Creek.  He was protecting the live stock at night from a raiding grizzly.  He shot it with a double barrel, black powder, 10 gauge shotgun.  The bear was shot at night and he retreated back into his cabin.  In the morning light the bear was found in a nearby stream bed.  The assumption was in the Shasta River.  Documentation regarding this event is in the Siskiyou County Library.

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I find conflicting dates regarding the last California Grizzly, but the end came in the 1920’s.  One of the last was in all places Big Tujunga canyon on the Angeles National Forest.

I consider the Shasta River the dividing line between Mt. Shasta and the Eddy Mountains, what is part of the Salmon-Trinity Range.  One of my earliest sightings of a black bear in the woods was near an area on the NE slope of Mt. Shasta where my dad and his friends had setup a hunting camp.  It was a black phase black bear.  In those days no bear tag was required, and there was not a limit on them.  Nobody in the party was interested in shooting it.  The old motto if you shoot it, you eat it applied.

Way to the South on the Angeles National Forest and San Bernardino National Forest there is bears that cause problems, and wonder down into the foothill communities and take a dip in swimming pools on a hot day.  There are some large bears in the Southland.   A black bear over 600-pounds was killed a few years back on the San Bernardino National Forest.

North and South there is bear poop all over the woods in the early fall when the Manzanita berries are ripe.  During that time of the year other berries are ripe in the woods.  Bears will eat just about anything, but towering piles of bear scat filled with Manzanita berries is common.  I have come up close behind a number of bears at night on logging roads.  They are pooping and scooting down the road, with the fat rolling on them.





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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2009, 11:27:16 AM »
outdoorlover:  Brown Bears are hunted every spring and fall here in Alaska.  They get hunted on the beach, along rivers, and in the mountains near the coast.  They are even a common sight in down town Anchorage green belts.   
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2009, 11:47:42 AM »
Siskiyou,  ;) Fun reading this post about the black bears of Calif.  For some reason, I felt the state had very few bears of any type at the present time.  ;D :D Nice to find I am wrong...... :D From the post, it seems one can still buy deer and bear tags over the counter.... Is this true for nonres...???? :-\ I have tried to wade though the Calif. regs. a couple times, but find they are even worse than Wyomings..... :-\ :-[ :D

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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2009, 04:47:49 PM »


The California Fish and Game has broken up the State into seven Regions.  Here is a link to addresses and phone numbers.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/regions/

Now that I am in the State system they mail me a package with game applications, and other information including how many preference points I have for those tough draw areas.  When it involves deer I am talking about the X-Zones (Mule Deer).Preference points are not needed for the blacktail zones, and the Southern California D-Zones which contain the California Mule Deer sub species. 

General Big Information:
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/biggame.html

This is what they say about bear numbers.
“Data indicates that California's bear population has increased in recent years. Black bears are being observed in areas where they were not seen 50 years ago along the Central Coast and Transverse mountain ranges of Southern California. Between 25,000 and 30,000 black bears are now estimated to occupy 52,000 square miles in California.”

This is the number of bear taken so far this season, the number is closely monitored and when that number if that number is reached early the season is shut down.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/bear/harvest.html

The story behind the 2008 Season.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/bear/docs/2008BearTakeReport.pdf

Map of black bear range in California:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/bear/range.html

When it comes to out of State folks I suggest calling one of the Regional Offices for information.  When it comes to one of the X-Zones you need to get on the ball early because of the drawings.  Bear have not been an issue.  Bear tags have become a money cow for the F&G.  They have increased limits slightly but not in portion to the number of tags they sell.  That is why I have waited until the last minute to buy a bear tag.  There are times when the fall is hot and dry up until November in California and the nature of my emergency job curtails my hunting days.  I try not to let that happen and jump the fence and while.

I think bear numbers are higher this year than in the past.  Sows with twins, and triplets have been common the last few years.  Bear versus cars, and trains are up, which indicates more bear activity to me. 
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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2009, 03:16:01 PM »
yeah no brown bears in Ca.......i have read that the california grizzly(now extinct) was a subspecies and was the largest grizzly................grizzly also used to range way down into mexico but the mexican grizzly is also extinct..................think it was in the 80's that a guy killed one in colorado ......mack

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Re: Hunting brownies in California
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2009, 04:34:39 PM »
I hesitated to get a bear tag in the past but theres no reason to now! I dont know the exact place to go but I'm sure of the zone I will be hunting!
I cant in all fairness give that information out publicly. I learned my lesson the hard way by giving out spots I hunt. Now that numbers are up, probably due to fire closure during hunting seasons preventing animals from being harvested, I shouldn't have a problem getting one next time. the only problem I have now is how I will get it out by myself in the steep mountains.