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Offline Jack Magnum

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Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« on: May 16, 2009, 05:14:52 PM »
Live in New York state and have a Thompson center contender/ Encore with multiple barrels. I've had my gun for years and when I first put it on my permit I had just one barrel. Thru the years I've purchased a few extra barrels and haven't bothered to list them on my permit using the logic that since I can get these barrels thru the mail without a FFL then I don't need to register them. Recently a friend bought an Encore and the pistol permit bureau told him he couldn't just list the handgun as multi caliber and MUST list all other barrels as well. Does anybody really know the legality of this ?
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2009, 05:21:45 PM »
Only the frame is serialized; barrels are a part, no FFL required for transfer. Pick one caliber and register as that.
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2009, 05:45:57 PM »
Vote out the idiots that passed the law......
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 01:30:41 AM »
Quote from: victorcharlie on May 16, 2009, 05:45:57 PM
Vote out the idiots that passed the law......

I second that.
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2009, 01:54:15 AM »
I to live in the peoples republic of N.Y. and was trying to find out about convertions of handguns,as in a .22 on a .45 frame,so far no one no's.We would love to vote them out,but we are outnumbered 4 to 1 here.
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2009, 02:39:27 AM »
How do they enforce the law?  I mean, how would they know if it's properly registered or not?  What is the penalty if it isn't?
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2009, 03:36:12 AM »
I live in NYS also. The pistol permit office informed me i could no longer list the frame and various barrels. Each barrel had to be listed. Not sure now what kind of crap i had to go through to prove what barrels i owned. I suppose if you got caught it would be the same as having an unregistered gun.     
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2009, 03:49:56 AM »
That is interesting,as the barrels or convertion kits have no serial number.In N.Y. at least in westchester you have to register the handgun before you pick it up,you put a deposit on it then give them a form with the serial number,make and calber,then you wait about 3-4 months and get another form giveing you the o.k. to pick it up.How about that God given right!
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2009, 08:48:52 AM »
It's hard for me to believe.

I spent a few months in the upstate 25 years ago or so, my how things seem to have changed.
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2009, 09:24:12 AM »
Wow, and I thought it was bad in Hawaii!
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2009, 10:15:08 AM »
Don't feel to bad,it may be coming to your state soon,even with 70% of americans against more gun laws.
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2009, 06:41:22 PM »
Quote from: victorcharlie on May 17, 2009, 02:39:27 AM
How do they enforce the law?  I mean, how would they know if it's properly registered or not?  What is the penalty if it isn't?
I would imagine if the law enforcement guy that checked your permit and saw the serial number but a different caliber they might question it. I originally bought my Encore in 30-06 and traded that barrel back in on a 7mm-08 so I wonder how I would prove that one with no paper work. Anyway, I haven't been personally told about this but I am sure I will eventually. They just want to know all your firearm data. Makes it easier to confiscate.I can't wait to see what hoops we'll have to jump thru when our senate passes the 5 year renewal on handgun permits. I am thinking of moving to N.H. If I didn't live on a lake here it would be an easy move without regrets. Government here says all they want is reasonable gunlaws. Yeah Right !!!
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2009, 12:56:04 AM »
Don't they have lakes in N.H?

The Tennessee legislature has a bill that's headed for the governed that would prevent that type information from being collected.

Maybe it's time to create the state of West New York?
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2009, 02:21:35 PM »
Let not forget that you have no right to get that pistol permit in the first place -they can deny you that permit for any reason!! They can also pull that permit for any reason! So you not only have a 3-6 month waiting period they can take your pistol anytime they want!  >:( And when you loose that permit you have 24 hrs to sell that gun or turn into the police for distruction!!!
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2009, 07:36:54 PM »
Just asking a question here. Since T/C barrels, wether for a pistol or rifle, don't have a serial number, how does N.Y. know what barrel is on the gun? If you buy just a T/C frame, or lets say with a muzzleloader barrel on it, how do they know?
I think I'ld check this law out real good. Sounds like one of those stories you hear about, where an employee, state/local, THINKS, he or she knows the rules. Lots of times you can get a counter type sales person telling somebody what is right or legal. And they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground.  gypsyman
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2009, 03:34:39 PM »
Quote from: gypsyman on May 19, 2009, 07:36:54 PM
Just asking a question here. Since T/C barrels, wether for a pistol or rifle, don't have a serial number, how does N.Y. know what barrel is on the gun? If you buy just a T/C frame, or lets say with a muzzleloader barrel on it, how do they know?
I think I'ld check this law out real good. Sounds like one of those stories you hear about, where an employee, state/local, THINKS, he or she knows the rules. Lots of times you can get a counter type sales person telling somebody what is right or legal. And they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground.  gypsyman
I know it's more than one person and more than one county that is saying you have to list all your barrels BUT, So far no law has been passed in N.Y. that states you need to buy from an FFL or fill out ANY type of paperwork, That's why I ask How they can make you list the barrels when you can legally order them thru the regular postal mail. Like I said before I traded in the original barrel that came with my encore so what could they possibly do ?
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Re: Do you need to register all your T/C barrels on a pistol permit ?
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2009, 12:04:32 PM »
Now we're talking about handguns!  ;)
If you were to buy a Contender or Encore frame and no barrel, you would be required to register the frame by serial number and have it listed on your permit!

Now if you buy a barrel for your frame, then you have to register the frame with a specific cartridge designation!
And, if you buy another barrel for your frame, then you have to register the frame with that specific cartridge designation!
If you bought 5 barrels, you would have to have the frame registered with 5 cartridge designations!

Law Enforcement people will have a picnic with you if you don't have each barrel registered.
If you say- - had a 22-250 pistol barrel and it wasn't registered, L.E. would most likely confiscate the firearm and you'd get it back when properly registered!
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