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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2009, 03:02:40 PM »
I agree with you Slim, dogs, wolves and coyotes are the same species. They share more than 99.9 % of genes. They ca all interbreed with no problems what so ever.

Dogs are of the same family as Wolves, but they are a distinct subspecies: A wolf is of the species Canis Lupus and the domesticated dog is the subspecies of Canis Lupus Familiaris

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Now humans and apes or monkeys cannot interbreed. They are a completly different specie.

They might not be able to currently interbreed, but that doesn't mean that they didn't at one time. Speciation and divergence or in other words, a lineage-splitting event through geographical isolation or the reduction of gene flow could have caused the two to become separate species.
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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2009, 03:41:24 PM »
I agree with you Slim, dogs, wolves and coyotes are the same species. They share more than 99.9 % of genes. They ca all interbreed with no problems what so ever.

Dogs are of the same family as Wolves, but they are a distinct subspecies: A wolf is of the species Canis Lupus and the domesticated dog is the subspecies of Canis Lupus Familiaris

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Now humans and apes or monkeys cannot interbreed. They are a completly different specie.

They might not be able to currently interbreed, but that doesn't mean that they didn't at one time. Speciation and divergence or in other words, a lineage-splitting event through geographical isolation or the reduction of gene flow could have caused the two to become separate species.

"They may not be able to currently interbreed" Not may not, can't.

"a lineage-splitting event through geographical isolation or the reduction of gene flow COULDhave cause the two to become separate species." Trying to say what COULD have happened with no EVIDENCEto support a theory is not logical, & we would not do that with other areas of our lives. I think I would rather adhere to truths.
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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2009, 03:54:05 PM »
I would like to state that I disagree with those who think the Bible has been tampered with.  If the God of heaven could cause the Holy Spirit to inspire men to record His words, He can preserve them.  There have been many over the centuries that have tried to destroy the Bible, but we still have it.  The majority Greek text, from which our King James Version is translated, has been traced to the first and second centuries, long before the council of Nicea, and even before Constantine.

Having said that, we cannot be sure from the text of Genesis just how long God's days were.  Our days are caused by the separation of light and dark.  We don't know the orbital path of the earth then, or it's rotation.  I don't like to speculate on what I cannot surely know.  But I believe God created all things.  I don't believe in "scientific creationism", because I don't believe there was anything scientific, or natural about it.  I believe it was super-natural, caused by the Being who created nature.

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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2009, 06:17:17 PM »
Hate to tell you all this,but this fossil was found in 1985 by amateurs. This is a setup between the History chanel and the BBC and a bookseller. It was conjured up to sell a TV show

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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2009, 06:58:35 PM »
Hate to tell you all this,but this fossil was found in 1985 by amateurs. This is a setup between the History chanel and the BBC and a bookseller. It was conjured up to sell a TV show

Thanks for the info. It always turns out to be a hoax, in a week or two or 6 months, whatever!  ::)
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« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2009, 07:02:56 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2009, 05:26:27 AM »
I would like to state that I disagree with those who think the Bible has been tampered with.  If the God of heaven could cause the Holy Spirit to inspire men to record His words, He can preserve them.  There have been many over the centuries that have tried to destroy the Bible, but we still have it.  The majority Greek text, from which our King James Version is translated, has been traced to the first and second centuries, long before the council of Nicea, and even before Constantine.

Having said that, we cannot be sure from the text of Genesis just how long God's days were.  Our days are caused by the separation of light and dark.  We don't know the orbital path of the earth then, or it's rotation.  I don't like to speculate on what I cannot surely know.  But I believe God created all things.  I don't believe in "scientific creationism", because I don't believe there was anything scientific, or natural about it.  I believe it was super-natural, caused by the Being who created nature.

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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2009, 06:04:25 AM »
I'm with Heather on Not trusting man, It was man by the way that crucified Jesus! So there could be some discrepancy!
That being said:
As far as I'm concerned GB was correct in that there were no monkeys in my family either!
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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2009, 07:20:56 AM »
nomosendero,

 As to your first paragraph.  You believe what you want to believe, but the truth is there if you want to research it.  There was no way at that time in history to guarantee stories being passed down to be completely accurate considering most were passed orally or on tablets and scrolls that been discovered in parts and pieces.

About Constantine and using Pagans holidays I doubt he was dumb enough to actually lay out in the bible his plan of deception.  Christmas and Easter were created to allow the Pagans to keep their holiday traditions AFTER Christianity became the religion of Constantine’s empire.  There are many parallels to Pagans holidays and what Christians accept today as holy days.

"This religion, cloaked in mystery and secrecy, has captivated the imaginations of scholars for generations.  Many facts discovered sheds vital light on the cultural dynamics that led to the rise of Christianity.  The National Geographic Society’s book “Great Religions of the World,” page 309 writes; “By Jesus’ time, East and West had mingled here for three centuries.  Down columns of boulevards walked Roman soldiers loyal to the Persian god Mithras.” Mithras was a Persian deity.  He was also the most widely venerated god in the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus.  The Catholic Encyclopedia as well as the early Church Fathers found this religion of Mithras very disturbing, as there are so many similarities between the two religions, as follows:

 
1)  Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense.

2)  Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.

3)  According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.

4)  After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.

5)  Mithra had a celibate priesthood.

6)  Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).
 
As you can now see, Christianity derived many of its essential elements from the ancient religion of Mithraism.   Mithraism became intertwined with the cult of Jesus to form what is known today as “Christianity.” Although literary sources on this religion are sparse, an abundance of material evidence exists in the many Mithraic temples and artifacts that archaeologists have found scattered throughout the Roman Empire, from England in the north and west to Palestine in the south and east.  The temples were usually built underground in caves, which are filled with an extremely elaborate iconography (illustrating by pictures, figures and images).  There were many hundreds of Mithraic temples in the Roman Empire, the greatest concentrations have been found in the city of Rome itself."

http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristianity.html


A Good read can be found here but the page loads a little slow.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa1.htm

As to scripture not in the bible, here are a few As for B-Z follow the link below.
   "We have compiled a list of over 500 books that have been associated with the Bible either through archeological research or historical documentation.  There is no guarantee that the books listed here are inspired works, or genuine books actually included in original versions of writings used by, and considered true by the Early Christian Church.  We do not list any books believed to be written after the corruption of doctrine by the Universal Church established by the Emperor Constantine in the Fourth Century AD." 

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Adam, The Apocalypse of, (Revelation of)
 
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Adam and Eve, The First Book of 
 
Adam and Eve, The Second Book of
 
Adam and Eve, An Electronic Edition
 
Addeus the Apostle, The Teachings of
 
Against the Heresies 
 
Ages of The World, The
 
Aggeus
   
Ahikar, Grand Vizier of Assyria, The Story of     

Allogenes
 
Andrew, Acts and Martyrdom of the Holy Apostle  
 
Andrew, Gospel of
 
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Andrew and Matthias, Acts of  
 
Andrew, Other Books
 
Anointing, On the
 
Apelles, Gospel of
  
Apocalypsis Mosis
 
Apollonius
 
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Apostles, Acts of the  2
   
Apostles, The Teachings of the
   
Apostles, The Epistle of the
     
Apostrophe to Zion
  
Archangel Michael And King Zedekiah, The
 
Archons, The Hypostasis of the
 
Aristeas, The Letter of 
   
Aristides, Apology of

Aristo of Pella
   
Aristobulus

Artapanus  
   
Asclepius
  
Assorted Manuscripts    
   
Athenagoras of Athens
   
Athanasius: On the Incarnation 

Athenagoras of Athens, A Plea For the Christians
   
Athenagoras of Athens, On The Resurrection of the Dead
  
Augustine, The Writings of
  
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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2009, 10:33:46 AM »
 read them all .. but don t trust mans wisdom ..rest in faith..
he won t let you down..slim
 i have long thought that man in his search for knowledge.. forgets there is another entity than god.. he much smarter than man an the the prince of natural man..his goal is that you become confused in efforts to understand the creator..many colledge professors tear dn the faith of christian youth using wisdom meant to cause weakening of faith..
just don t be fooled ,have continued faith in the creator.. he will eventually show the foolish for what they are..it is never by worldly knowledge that you gain faith.. only by his spirit testifying to
 to our soul..this is the only way to grow in gods way.. 
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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2009, 06:37:44 PM »
nomosendero,

 As to your first paragraph.  You believe what you want to believe, but the truth is there if you want to research it.  There was no way at that time in history to guarantee stories being passed down to be completely accurate considering most were passed orally or on tablets and scrolls that been discovered in parts and pieces.

About Constantine and using Pagans holidays I doubt he was dumb enough to actually lay out in the bible his plan of deception.  Christmas and Easter were created to allow the Pagans to keep their holiday traditions AFTER Christianity became the religion of Constantine’s empire.  There are many parallels to Pagans holidays and what Christians accept today as holy days.

"This religion, cloaked in mystery and secrecy, has captivated the imaginations of scholars for generations.  Many facts discovered sheds vital light on the cultural dynamics that led to the rise of Christianity.  The National Geographic Society’s book “Great Religions of the World,” page 309 writes; “By Jesus’ time, East and West had mingled here for three centuries.  Down columns of boulevards walked Roman soldiers loyal to the Persian god Mithras.” Mithras was a Persian deity.  He was also the most widely venerated god in the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus.  The Catholic Encyclopedia as well as the early Church Fathers found this religion of Mithras very disturbing, as there are so many similarities between the two religions, as follows:

 
1)  Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense.

2)  Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.

3)  According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.

4)  After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.

5)  Mithra had a celibate priesthood.

6)  Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).
 
As you can now see, Christianity derived many of its essential elements from the ancient religion of Mithraism.   Mithraism became intertwined with the cult of Jesus to form what is known today as “Christianity.” Although literary sources on this religion are sparse, an abundance of material evidence exists in the many Mithraic temples and artifacts that archaeologists have found scattered throughout the Roman Empire, from England in the north and west to Palestine in the south and east.  The temples were usually built underground in caves, which are filled with an extremely elaborate iconography (illustrating by pictures, figures and images).  There were many hundreds of Mithraic temples in the Roman Empire, the greatest concentrations have been found in the city of Rome itself."

http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristianity.html


A Good read can be found here but the page loads a little slow.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa1.htm

As to scripture not in the bible, here are a few As for B-Z follow the link below.
   "We have compiled a list of over 500 books that have been associated with the Bible either through archeological research or historical documentation.  There is no guarantee that the books listed here are inspired works, or genuine books actually included in original versions of writings used by, and considered true by the Early Christian Church.  We do not list any books believed to be written after the corruption of doctrine by the Universal Church established by the Emperor Constantine in the Fourth Century AD." 

A

Abdias
 
Abercius, Inscription of
   
Abgarus, King of Edessa and the Epistle of Jesus Christ      
   
Abraham, Book of
 
Abraham, Testament of
 
Acts of A King
 
Adam, The Book of
 
Adam, The Apocalypse of, (Revelation of)
 
Adam and Eve, The Books of, The Latin Translation
  
Adam and Eve, Life of, The Slavonic Translation 
 
Adam and Eve, Life of, the Greek Translation    
  
Adam and Eve, The First Book of 
 
Adam and Eve, The Second Book of
 
Adam and Eve, An Electronic Edition
 
Addeus the Apostle, The Teachings of
 
Against the Heresies 
 
Ages of The World, The
 
Aggeus
   
Ahikar, Grand Vizier of Assyria, The Story of     

Allogenes
 
Andrew, Acts and Martyrdom of the Holy Apostle  
 
Andrew, Gospel of
 
Andrew and Matthew, The Acts of
 
Andrew and Matthias, Acts of  
 
Andrew, Other Books
 
Anointing, On the
 
Apelles, Gospel of
  
Apocalypsis Mosis
 
Apollonius
 
Apollonius, Acts of
 
Apostles, Acts of the  2
   
Apostles, The Teachings of the
   
Apostles, The Epistle of the
     
Apostrophe to Zion
  
Archangel Michael And King Zedekiah, The
 
Archons, The Hypostasis of the
 
Aristeas, The Letter of 
   
Aristides, Apology of

Aristo of Pella
   
Aristobulus

Artapanus  
   
Asclepius
  
Assorted Manuscripts    
   
Athenagoras of Athens
   
Athanasius: On the Incarnation 

Athenagoras of Athens, A Plea For the Christians
   
Athenagoras of Athens, On The Resurrection of the Dead
  
Augustine, The Writings of
  
Authoritative Teaching


http://www.thelostbooks.com/list.htm

" God wants us to obey his word, something you can't do if no one in the World has access to it."
  Well if the Catholic Church ever releases all of the documents, scrolls, tablets, and evidence that they have then the truth could possibly be known.  Why is it that a church hides documents to protect the base of its belief system?  It makes no sense.

Heather




AS I CAN NOW SEE, WHY WOULD THAT BE? Let's look
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Who said they have anything hid that's inspired, not there & I am not worried about scrolls they have.
Yes, I will believe what I want, which is the Bible over opinions BTW, including Nat Geo. All of this babling has zero to do with your earlier post. "most were passed orally or on tablets & scrolls that were discovered in parts & pieces" No they weren't. I listened to that same garbage for years with no evidence as such. After studing the scriptures for many years a learned individual can see the tie in of sripture is too perfect for bits and pieces that no one could est. happened to begin with, sorry. Your statement indicates lack of knowledge. BTW, the Bible mentions wise men, not 3 wise men. Three gifts were mentioned but we don't know how many men there were from that in the Biblical account & no secular account would have any relevance. 2 men may have bore 3 gifts or 10 men, that has no relevance or importance at all. Maybe those gifts were common gifts at the time & maybe not, doesn't matter, can't tie it in with the "Mitra" stuff& I am glad that 3 men stopped by if it happed at all, we don't even know how may men visited Jesus. "According to Mithraism, (I wouldn't put much in that one), before Mithra died on the cross, (a cruel death dealt to many for a long, long time), he celebrated a last supper with his twelvedisciples, who represented the twelve signs of the Zodiac." OK, there were twelve signs of the Zodiac, the reason in this case & the twelve tribes of Isreal, the reason in that case, which have nothing do do with each other. Also, certain numbers had significiance to Eastern cultures, for example 7 was used as a complete number & used for things totally unrelated, a second reason there is no tie here. Concerning "Mithra's" death, rock tombs were not that unusual, esp. where there were rocks. "Mithra accended uto heaven", well I kinda doubt that one.  ::) I see the attempted simularities, but not the real ones. The "source obviously tried to est a non existant tie.
Excuse me for not regarding the heathern Nat Geo. as a credible source btw, no more than CNN or CNBC. Instead of being concerned about what heatherns say to disprove the Bible,(if they could they would have before 2000 years passed) I would study the Bible close first, then understand the falacy.

What events that Con. or denominations do on there own that are not in the Bible have nothing to do with the Bible.


Christmas & Easter are not mentioned in the Bible, nor are we given the dates for those events. "Mithra was born on Dec 25th". If so, so what? The Bible does not say or imply that Christ was born on Dec 25th. Nor are we given the date of his death. Your trying to tie something that can't be tied. If Constantine wanted people to celebrate Christmas & Easter, then it was his idea. It is not mentioned in the Bible period, you seem to think so. "There are many parellels to Pagan's holidays & what Christians accept today as Holy days". No there isn't. And I am a Christian, but I do not consider Easter or Christmas as "Holy Days". If people want to get with loved ones & make these days special, fine, but they aren't the only days.
Every Sunday or first day of the week is the celebration of the death, burial & ressurection of Christ., not 1 day a year that Con. or any one else decides, that has nothing to do with Bible, so do your own research.

I asked you specific questions drawn from your post & believe me, if I make a claim or a statement I have no issues with someone questioning me on those specific things So I will ask again.

1. You stated the following: "Jesus was teaching scripture that had been passed down by families & churches."
Where did the scripture come from? What families are you in reference to? What do you mean by churches, since Churches were established after Christ's death?  Either Jesus lived a perfect, sinless life or he didn't (I know he did), which would make it impossible that he lied. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth & the life, no man can come to the Father except by me." He said he offered the words of life & in reference to the Father 'thy word is truth".
So again, that leave out Jesus giving us less than complete information. If not, tell us how he was inaccurate?
He said it was his word, you are saying it was passed down. What did he say that was even a little off course (in your opinion of course).

2. You stated the following: "The Bible as we know it today was put together by a ruler, Constantine." And I ask again, can you name those verses please? 

3. You say "there are many lost scriptures". Ok, list them please. Again I ask, since "all scripture was given by the inspiration of God" then whatGod inspired or in other words scripturethat belonged in the Bible wound up not being there? How 'bout it?

In reference to the 500 or whatever books
The others don't matter if not inspired. As you had the honesty & integrety to include in your post concerning the other books "There is no guaranty that the books listed here are inspired works" & indeed there isn't, which was my point all along concerning the "lost books"

No reference to Mithraism, Buddism, Hiduism, Muslim religion VooDoo, Nat Geo. trying to connect false dots or any other unrelated items will answer these 3 questions, which are key.


 
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« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2009, 12:11:15 AM »
The Church didn't have anything to do with the Bible.  They were simply trustees.  It's the perfect Word of God, or there isn't a God.

Here's an article on early man.  There is some interesting stuff at this site.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061103083616.htm
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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2009, 01:09:21 AM »
 brother i can t agree that the fact of a true god depends on the perfection of the bible. no offence but the book has been translated an
 retranslated..many read the words an some original words have been  thought to mean different thing.. still don t be bothered by that as im convinced ..the bible to hold the truth an new way in the new testament.. ive known people who thought they were following the bible by eye for eye approach to thier fellow man.. thats old bible law.. christ brought a new much harder law to followtrathis computer is crazy i cant even read what im writing. slim.i ll post an try to editnslated to mean different thing

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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2009, 01:24:10 AM »
John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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Re: Evolution? NEW DISCOVERY
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2009, 01:47:33 AM »
John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Yes indeed & the Word is in reference to Christ, who always was with the Father. That's why I had to take issue with Christ merely passing on information of others.
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« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2009, 01:48:57 AM »
brother i can t agree that the fact of a true god depends on the perfection of the bible. no offence but the book has been translated an
 retranslated..many read the words an some original words have been  thought to mean different thing.. still don t be bothered by that as im convinced ..the bible to hold the truth an new way in the new testament.. ive known people who thought they were following the bible by eye for eye approach to thier fellow man.. thats old bible law.. christ brought a new much harder law to followtrathis computer is crazy i cant even read what im writing. slim.i ll post an try to editnslated to mean different thing

Grace, with works that aren't grevious as in the Old Law,that is true, but the Bible is still God's word.
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« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2009, 02:04:14 AM »
The Word is in reference to Christ, who is the Father.  The Bible is the written manifestation of Him.  Jesus is the human manifestation of him.  All are perfect.

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« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2009, 02:15:17 AM »
 my brother i will never question what makes a mans faith strong..
you have my fellowship an blessing to you.. you are a good man. slim

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« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2009, 04:20:01 AM »
nomosendero,

  I answered all of your questions in my previous post.  If you can't figure that out and have to ask me the same questions again then I am wasting my time arguing with an idiot.

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« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2009, 04:21:55 AM »
Each of these discoveries is one more piece added to a puzzle. It's cool to learn a little more about how things have evolved. I find it to be a delightful discovery.
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« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2009, 04:24:01 AM »
NOMOSENDERO. Good posts, and true. There will come a day in all mens, and womens lives, that we will all meet God, and saying oooppppsss won't help one bit. God gave us all free will. We can choose right or wrong, good or evil, Heaven, or hell. Choose wisely my friends. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2009, 04:49:00 AM »
 just glad im not gonna have to be that judge.. that for one much grater than myselfslim

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« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2009, 06:18:48 AM »
NOMOSENDERO. Good posts, and true. There will come a day in all mens, and womens lives, that we will all meet God, and saying oooppppsss won't help one bit. God gave us all free will. We can choose right or wrong, good or evil, Heaven, or hell. Choose wisely my friends. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D

You right powderman... never thought I would say that... "There will come a time when we all meet our maker" and when it happens many will find out that they deprived themselves of the "Free Will" you spoke of by constraining themselves to the ideology of mans religion.  I have said it many times… God created man, and man created religion… I think to replace God or at least to control other men by way of saying God commanded it to be “This Way”. Argue all you want about religion and the bible and how it came to be… the facts are you’re putting your faith in a book that was written by man for man to control man. If you want to put your faith in God you can do so without a story book to tell you how.

You can argue all you want about which beliefs or religions came first but facts are facts and if you look the world over you will find that almost every religion has the same stories just told a different way to bring about the desired reactions of those in control at the time. If you look close enough at each and every religion you can find the tell - tell signs of paganism in them all… but for those bible thumpers amongst us the truth is just too hard to except because it means they have put their faith in mans word not Gods will… which I think is for each of us to find OUR OWN path to him… and despite all that you say there are many paths that lead to God not just YOURS or JUST ONE…  which again is a very PAGAN way of thinking.

I don’t care how anyone believes or what they believe in… just so long as you know why you believe it… and if you reason is because a book told you to… well that is not a real reason now is it.

Nomosendero, if you truly had a desire to learn the truth I would be happy to point you in the direction of it but you don’t and all you want to do is justify your twisted belief in a book… so until such time as you decide you want to learn and want to research for yourself… well I will leave the last line to your imagination… But it was best said on a tee-shirt I have that starts off with “How about a nice cup of”.

Now enough of this religion crap on this thread… we have other forums for that and you are all welcome to carry this discussion to them and argue all you want…

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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2009, 06:33:05 AM »
 so matt you do know the truth ..or just admit you don t know the truth.... in anycace brother its not by knowledge that a man finds truth but by seeking humbly guidance frm above..willing to learn what ever he will teach you.. i have many experiences in life that confirm my belief.. but my my faith in the creator is not confirmed by miracles an such.. but by continued prayer that my faith will see me through.. slim

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« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2009, 07:01:46 AM »
Looks to me that where we came from isn't the trouble, it's where are we going? If we are keepers of the earth, I wonder if we have sence enough to survive ourselves. "I have seen the enemy and I think it's us" Pogo.
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« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2009, 07:02:45 AM »
so matt you do know the truth ..or just admit you don t know the truth.... in anycace brother its not by knowledge that a man finds truth but by seeking humbly guidance frm above..willing to learn what ever he will teach you.. i have many experiences in life that confirm my belief.. but my my faith in the creator is not confirmed by miracles an such.. but by continued prayer that my faith will see me through.. slim

slim... do I know the truth... well simply put... I know what is true for me... I know that religion will not bring me closer to God... but will rather distort the ability that my creator gave me to decide for myself the best path to him.

I know that what might work for you may not work for me and thus negates the whole religion issue… If each person is to find their own way to God then why on earth would there be “doctrine” that says there is only one way to God?

Let’s look at it this way… we are all unique in every way we can be and this is by design if you believe in a creator… so why would a creator make us all different if he wanted us all to be the same and do the exact same thing?

Again I don’t care how anyone believes… so long as they know why they believe it…

“in any case brother it’s not by knowledge that a man finds truth but by seeking humbly guidance from above”

I agree and disagree at the same time… It is the knowledge that we gain from the guidance of God while seeking our own path to him that will set us free from the constraints of mans religion.

Knowledge is power hence the reason we are all kept in the dark and led in a direction away from the truth… 

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« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2009, 07:15:09 AM »
 i understand your position matt. seems you have put much thought to it.. thats the way to get the most out of anything.. may we both find the pease of mind of his presence..
 besides bud you the 600 lb gorilla on this forum so not gonna fuss with you much :) :) slim.
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« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2009, 07:28:29 AM »
slim I think we agree on the end result which is what really matters... I think we both just have our own way of getting there...

no need to fuss... your own your path and I am on mine... they will meet up at some point and when they do we both can have a laugh at the journeys life gave us and then rejoice in the fact that our creator gave us the gift of life in the first place.

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« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2009, 08:35:22 AM »
 i ll amen that brother.. just this days a wonderful gift. slim

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« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2009, 01:26:14 PM »
nomosendero,

  I answered all of your questions in my previous post.  If you can't figure that out and have to ask me the same questions again then I am wasting my time arguing with an idiot.

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My thoughts exactly & anyone with objectivity that reads your thread will see that you answered NONE
of them & esp. the first one, not addressed at all, Jesus's teaching coming from Families & "churches"  ???.

Without question, I knew that a keyboard attack would be your only recourse.

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"Nomosendero, If you truly had a desire to learn the truth I would be happy to point you in the direction of it"No
need, I traveled down that "intellectual" highway years ago, but thanks anyway Matt.
"I know what is true for me", a common Liberal or Humanistic thought, yes anyone can choose to believe that. Matt you do have a free will, God gives that, so you you want to think the Bible is just a book you can, but at some point you might want to revisit that.

Now, hopefully we can agree to disagree & I can do without the low level keyboard attacks.

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