Author Topic: 25 bore (Read 2472 times)

kawie · « **on:** May 19, 2009, 11:06:14 AM »

ive been searching but come up empty handed,not sure how to seach something im not sure is even made.i was thinking that the whole 308 family are great calibers.what if you took a 243 an necked it up to 25 caliber an AI it.it would kind of be a modern 250 savage.im thinking about getting a single shot like the H&R or a CVA an have a stubbed barrel for it in 25 caliber.ive always wanted a 250 savage but it seems to drop off more an more every year.plus the 25-08 would be different too.what do you guys think.thanks Kawie

kawie · « **Reply #1 on:** May 19, 2009, 11:16:17 AM »

guess i kind of got a answer with the post that showwed up below.Kawie

charles p · « **Reply #2 on:** May 19, 2009, 02:58:50 PM »

Never owned a 257 Roberts but have been very pleased with a 25-06. Don't reinvent the wheel. If you want a short barrel, the 25-06 has too much powder capacity. It is however, a deer killing machine and is very accurate.

chutesnreloads · « **Reply #3 on:** May 19, 2009, 05:46:26 PM »

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Savage is chambering rifles in 250 Savage now.A new Savage or Stevens would cost the same or less than the custom job wouldn't it?

frankkj · « **Reply #4 on:** May 20, 2009, 03:12:05 AM »

I have a 250 Savage, and a 250 Savage AI, also a 257 Roberts, a 25-06, and a 257 Weatherby Mag. Like um all, but probably the straight 250 Savage the best. It is a well behaved little round that is a pleasure to shoot. Always did like the quarter bore.

Have thought about building a 25 Souper (25-08) for the last 25 or so years, but never got around to it.

Build one and let us know how it shoots.

the jigger · « **Reply #5 on:** May 20, 2009, 07:23:50 AM »

Do your search for the 25 Souper!
GOOD LUCK and GOOD SHOOTING!!!

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #6 on:** May 21, 2009, 03:39:15 AM »

Kawie –

As noted above there is a .25 Souper cartridge that is a .308 Win necked down to .257”. It is a custom build option only as no factory chambers for it.

When I was in the market for a .25 my intent was to buy a .25-06. After looking around a gun show I was leaving to head to Sportsman’s Warehouse to pick up a Ruger when I literally bumped into a gentleman with a Ruger rifle slung over his shoulder. The rifle had a “For Sale” sign on it and when I inquired I discovered it was a .257 Roberts. That rifle went home with me and has since become my favorite rifle.

The .257 Roberts was originally held to SAAMI pressures of 45,000 CUP due to all the old actions that were chambered for the cartridge. A +P SAAMI pressure of 50,000 CUP brings the .257 Roberts up to higher performance levels but there is no reason why, in a modern action like the Ruger that it can’t be loaded to the same pressures as the .25-06 which has a SAAMI pressure of 54,000 CUP. I run Winchester +P brass with +P load data s (which is readily available from most data suppliers) and my .257 Roberts gives up very little to a .25-06.

Another option to the .25 Souper, and one that I would take, is the .260 Remington. The .260 can use bullets up to 160 grains but is outstanding with bullets in the 130-140g range.

Lone Star · « **Reply #7 on:** May 21, 2009, 12:33:42 PM »

I made a similar choice. A long time .25 fan, I have two .25-20s, a .25-35, a .25 Bullberry wildcat, a .250/3000 and two Weatherbys. But when I was looking for a heavy varmint/taget rifle a decade ago I chose the M700 VLS in .260 Remington.

Sacrilage you say? The difference in bullet diameter is only 0.007" - in other words no real difference. The .260 has plenty of great varmint and game bullets available, plus a wide choice in target bullets that the .25s do not have. I have never regretted the choice.

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Tunaman · « **Reply #8 on:** May 21, 2009, 01:19:17 PM »

I love the quarter bre myself and I have thought about building a 25 super myself but I just cant justify it. with the 250 Savage, 257 Bob, 25/06 and 257 Weatherby already in production, I think that all bases are covered. The Robert's is pretty close in case capacity to a super AI and it has resale value. Of you want it just to have it, I understand but from a pratical standpoint, everything that it can do can be done with a production cartridge.
Tuna

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #9 on:** May 21, 2009, 03:49:45 PM »

Can't add much more than has been said by tunaman. I don't have the 250 Sav, but have a couple of 257 Bobs, one a rebarreled Savage and a Ruger MkII, 2-25-06's and a 257 Weatherby. Only reason to do the 25 Super is cause you wanna. DP

flintlock · « **Reply #10 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:10:14 AM »

You could just buy a .243...

Catfish · « **Reply #11 on:** May 22, 2009, 09:29:47 AM »

First, what is the perpous of the gun? If it`s just to have a gun to hunt with the eatra cost of a Wildcat round is not worth it. The only difference between any of the .25 cal. rounds is velocity so just buy a gun with the round that gives you the velocity you want. BUT, if your going to spend the money for a custom gun and are willing to go through the hassel of forming your own brass then a Wildcat might make sence. Rember that the dies will also cost more and if your wanting to get the most out of it, accuracy, you will want to go with a tight necked chamber, and then you have neck turning. I`m not saying that you should not get a Wildcat, as I have 8 of them, but just want you to know what your getting into. Besides, after you get one you`ll want another, and another.

kawie · « **Reply #12 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:00:37 PM »

ive been doing alot of searching a reading on the 257 bob an 25-06.im wondering what the barrel life is with these rounds.im leaning torwards the 25-06.what i want it for is a winter deer rifle an a summer woodchuck gun.what do you gain in fps an energy in the 25-06 over the bob.if ive understood right that both these cartrige are good to 400 yards with decent accurracy too.thanks kawie

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #13 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:07:02 PM »

how about a 6.5 X52mm Mannlicher-Carcano ?

pozoutdoors · « **Reply #14 on:** May 22, 2009, 01:10:54 PM »

You can shoot a bit further than that with practice!!! If you reload I can give you a powerful and accurate load recipe!!! I love the .25-06, I have several calibers but this is my favorite!!! The largest game I have taken is deer and it is GREAT!!! Smaller varmints it would explode quite nicely!!!

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #15 on:** May 22, 2009, 06:33:37 PM »

Quote from: kawie on May 22, 2009, 01:00:37 PM

ive been doing alot of searching a reading on the 257 bob an 25-06.im wondering what the barrel life is with these rounds.im leaning torwards the 25-06.what i want it for is a winter deer rifle an a summer woodchuck gun.what do you gain in fps an energy in the 25-06 over the bob.if ive understood right that both these cartrige are good to 400 yards with decent accurracy too.thanks kawie

kawie -

My Bob is my favorite rifle and my favorite target is clay pigeons on the 400 yard line. I also shoot the steel gongs at 500 yards. Once in a rare while I'll shoot under 400, usually at 100 just to double-check the scope settings. I took two coyotes between 480 and 490 lasered yards with the Bob.

The .25-06 will give you a slight edge over +P Roberts loads and you will find more rifles chambered for the .25-06. Barrel life with the Roberts is very good as it is a lower pressure cartrdige than the .25-06 (45,000 CUP for the standard Roberts, 50,000 CUP for SAAMI +P and 54,000 CUP for the .25-06). That said, you can always back off the .25-06 handloads a bit. I tend to run my Roberts at maximum +P loads.

saltydog · « **Reply #16 on:** June 25, 2009, 02:53:02 AM »

For a "new twist" (old idea) rifle cartridge I recommend you look at a 257 Roberts and have it AI'd. You have 25:06 performance in a short action that you can buy commercial components for to be blown out to AI specs. I believe this was one of PO's better chamberings. http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w257ackimp.html The 257 Roberts without the AI is one nice round that qualifies on the endangerd list so just using it sets you off from the mainstream. Another cartridge you might want to look at depending on your game laws and interests is the 22 Savage Hi-Power - very unusual varmit / small game cartridge in America but effective on up to smaller type Whitetail size game.

fishmasty · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2009, 10:22:25 AM »

25 wssm or if you want something different a 25 wsm.
http://forums.wssmzone.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2118

Autorim · « **Reply #18 on:** July 09, 2009, 05:06:39 PM »

I vote for the .257 Roberts. With proper handloads it will do anything you could reasonably expect from a .25. If I am going to use the -06 size cartridge case, I go the the .270 win or 30-06.

Almost bought a .260 Rem once. It should be a really good round. The 6.5x55 is certainly a proven cartridge and the .260 with the same bullets should do as well in a shorter action.

nomosendero · « **Reply #19 on:** July 09, 2009, 05:29:37 PM »

Quote from: Autorim on July 09, 2009, 05:06:39 PM

I vote for the .257 Roberts. With proper handloads it will do anything you could reasonably expect from a .25. If I am going to use the -06 size cartridge case, I go the the .270 win or 30-06.

Almost bought a .260 Rem once. It should be a really good round. The 6.5x55 is certainly a proven cartridge and the .260 with the same bullets should do as well in a shorter action.

We all have different expectations. The Roberts is fine & if it suits your needs I feel it's great & that's the most important thing.

I may not have reasonable expectations, but I think that I do & what I want & easily get is a 25 that shoots flatter & hits alot harder than a Roberts can do. As a matter of fact it is about time to work up a load for my 25-06AI & 2 25-06's , we are going to WY. in October.

Blowtorch53 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 10, 2009, 06:34:10 AM »

Kawie,

The .25 is a NEAT caliber. I have it covered:
1. Marlin 1894 .25-20
2. Savage 99 .250-3000
3. Ruger 77 .257 Roberts
4. Ruger #1 .25-06
5. Weatherby .257 WM
I got the .257 mag this week with a Leupold 3x9 all set up and haven't shot it yet. I'm taking it on a mule deer hunt this fall. Ruger makes a Hawkeye in .257 caliber currently I believe. You probably couldn't ask for a better .25. Plenty of punch and not a lot of whack on the stock end. I don't know that the short action makes that much difference. I think Ruger might make a lightweight .257. Pick one!!!
BT