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Short man's disease?
« on: May 24, 2009, 05:26:29 AM »
Have you noticed that men under 5' 8" are often very irritating and overbearing? That's been my experience. I'm talking only about men who are relatively short in the US, and are not recent immigrants from countries like Yucatan where it is normal for men to be under 5'8"/
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2009, 05:36:21 AM »
I for one am glad I read that post, I was wondering if it was something I had to worry abt. catching,  I can sleep better at night knowing it isnt something that we have to worry abt. ;) ;)  Jim

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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2009, 06:06:06 AM »
Denny was a 5-foot tall, Irishman, a twinkle in his eye, and pipe hanging out of his mouth.  Within 30-miles of our house there was four Grange Halls and there was potluck or dance at least once a month at one of them.  These events would drawn the people off the farms, ranches and from the sawmills for miles. 

These were major social events in the rural county.  Beer was sold and a few pints came in the door.  Hogan would also show up at the events.  At 6-4, and looking like a Hollywood actor Hogan thought the world was his and Denny had been put on it to make fun, of, embarrass, and bully. 
People in the community thought Hogan was actually jealous of Denny.  Denny had 160-acres of land, a major part of it under irrigation.  He nice well kept home, a couple of barns, and live stock.  Denny took care of his property and live stock in his spare time.  His primary income came from pulling green chain at the local sawmill.

It was after midnight at the Grange dance and Hogan had been bullying Denny all night and had spilled a drink him.  Other people tried to keep Hogan calmed down, but he was the ultimate, unsuccessful, oversized bully.  Other folks more of Hogan’s size tried to reason with him but without success.
Denny was leaning against the door and Hogan started out looking for a refill of hard stuff.  Hogan could not help himself, he put his arm on Denny’s head and lean his weight on him.  Denny’s fist slammed upward, driven by those muscles develop pulling green lumber at the mill.  Hogan was out like a light, it took a while for him to wake-up, he was missing some teeth, and it was apparent the only person who cared for him was his wife.

My folks talk about the events of that night a great deal. 

Denny the Irishman is long gone, but I again offer him and his wife my thanks.  I was only four or five years old and they let me fish the stream that irrigated their pasture land.  I fished it under close supervision of my mother and Denny’s wife.  I caught my first fish there.
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2009, 06:31:54 AM »
I have known a few "banty roosters" in my life who always seemed to want to prove something - and I have speculated that they might have had a complex based on their height.   On the other hand, I have been privileged to know more really short people that I "looked up" to immensely.    I guess I'll just take people based upon their personality and character.
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2009, 06:32:21 AM »
ROFL!  Yes I have noticed that as well!

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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2009, 06:51:29 AM »
I used to work with a guy that was just over 5 ft. He was the construction foreman and I ran the machine shop. He was a real pain to deal with. It was a private joke in the shop that he might break an ankle jumping down off the toilet one day so we made a little stool and put it in front of the first bathroom stall. He was out on a construction site working and twisted his ankle one morning. One of the other guy's called the shop and told us what happened and that was all it took for the story to get out. This guy still gets ragged on about needing a step stool to get on and off the toilet. We even put it in his truck once before he was to leave going to a job site.

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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2009, 06:59:39 AM »
Cement Man:

You are very wise. I too have known a lot of short guys that are great people. The syndrome I describe does seem to be pretty common. Not sure why. I too judge people by their character, but sometimes patterns emerge, so that's why I brought it up here. I am not prejudiced against short guys, and am not trying to get people to be prejudiced. Mostly I'm asking if anyone else has observed such a pattern through experience.

I realize that some guys reading this will be under 5'8". How could you not be offended? Sorry.
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2009, 10:03:44 AM »
I've worked with short guys that get the "Napolean Complex" but I think the way these guys were, they'd still be jerks if they were tall.
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2009, 11:47:33 AM »
I agre on the short man thing .. but the Yucatan is part of Mexico  not a country
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2009, 01:13:12 PM »
My wife's sister married a guy a full head shorter than her when he got out of the Navy.  His career path: Deputy Sherriff, Border Patrol, INS, Customs, back to Border Patrol.  This guy is about 5' 6"  and has worked out three times a week for the last 30 years.  He looks like a bunny rabbit with a mustache, and speaks four languages fluently.  I have seen him pick up a man 40 pounds heavier than he is and walk him 50 yds into the shade. (heatstroke)  Although officialy retired he is requeird to be armed for the rest of his life, including on aircraft.  (open contract from a drug cartel) He is soft spoken and deceptive in the extreme.  His sevice for the last 30+ years has been civil service, but this unassuming little old grandfather is way up on the list of  the most dangerous people I have ever known.  He will never get the recoginition he deserves from those with whom he has not worked, then again he has always sought to be part of the background.
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2009, 02:06:19 PM »
Jerks can be any height, alright. I've known them tall, and short. Fat and thin. All races, all skin shades, all nationalities (though people from Paris show up on the list pretty consistent).

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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2009, 02:49:02 PM »
Ahhh yes. The Napoleon Syndrome, or aka, the "little man complex". How many times in a 20 year L.E. career did I hear the threat of "dynamite comes in small packages" when an arrest loomed, and how many times have I heard a now deceased officer respond: then blow up you sob.
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2009, 04:43:29 AM »
I realize that some guys reading this will be under 5'8". How could you not be offended? Sorry.

Well, lessee here...  :-\  On my tallest day I'd hit 5'8'' standing real streight!  But I'm older now and the only things still growing are my nose and ears...  :-[

It's been my experience that (normally young) men over 6' tend to be the irritating and overbearing ones; usually at the expense of men under 5'8".   ::)  But then, it's all a matter of perception.   ;)
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2009, 04:46:54 AM »
Interesting subject... really got me thinking...  :-\  you're wrong of course, but an interesting topic...  ;D
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2009, 05:10:37 AM »
Irritating and overbearing comes in all shapes and sizes. I've dealt with some really overbearing, irritating, and totally obnoxious men who have stood well over 6' tall. The only thing bigger than their mouths was often their egos that the entire world was suppose to orbit around. That, and sometimes their bellies were almost as big too. ;)
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2009, 06:02:48 AM »
In my part of the world a lot of folks are short, that is way less then 6 feet tall. I can't say that any of them so far showed me a short fuse or were any PITA guys. Reminds me of a post on another site where a guy was remarking on the fact that it takes "little torque to lit up small women." ;D ;D
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2009, 07:13:36 AM »
Interesting subject... really got me thinking...  :-\  you're wrong of course, but an interesting topic...  ;D

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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2009, 08:35:39 AM »
I realize that some guys reading this will be under 5'8". How could you not be offended? Sorry.

Well, lessee here...  :-\  On my tallest day I'd hit 5'8'' standing real streight!  But I'm older now and the only things still growing are my nose and ears...  :-[

It's been my experience that (normally young) men over 6' tend to be the irritating and overbearing ones; usually at the expense of men under 5'8".   ::)  But then, it's all a matter of perception.   ;)

Being someone on the taller side I concur that it can cut both ways, usually with the taller it fades with youth as they realize just being taller doesn't in itself make you more of a bad azzz. But I have seen this Napoleon
conplex a great deal. It seems to really be a problem if you put a short guy in a position of power before they really have earned it or as a position of authority like a small town cop, it is their first big chance to "Lord Over"
people & they can't help themselves. But of course I have known some short guys who know who they are, could do their job, were fine & had no issues.
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2009, 11:58:42 AM »
I have seen some overcompensation in my time. Not by me since I am taller.

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2009, 04:53:21 PM »
i have seen the small man syndrome many times, yet on the other side i have seen the big man syndrome even more...

i know many who were 6 ft 6 in and could whip any three men and those 5ft 6in that could damn near do the same....in both groups there were several that were anything but a man.

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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2009, 06:30:36 PM »
Over the years, I've come to the conclusion, small or large makes little difference. It's what in the heart and soul that counts. There have been some smaller men that have that Napoleon complex. Like they were trying to make up for size. Met some big guys that were real jerks too.
One smaller man I met a couple years back, and has become a pretty good customer of mine, has made me give much more respect to a person, regardless of size. We got to talking at a gun show, and he wrote me a check, but instead of calling him by name, he told me to just call him ''bayonet breath''. Come to find out, he was a tunnel rat in 'Nam. When you talk with him, one of the nicest fellows you'ld ever want to meet. No Napoleon complex,or I'm badder or better than you attitude. But, if I ever got into a bad situation that required body modification, I wouldn't be afraid to have a man like that to my back. gypsyman
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2009, 07:53:11 PM »
This gets my blood up a bit and I squeak over the 5'8" mark by maybe an inch. Ever wonder why some of the smaller guys might be so chippy? Could it be that they were picked on mercilessly the whole time growing up? Could it be that some might have felt the best defense was to have an offense [or be offensive]? I can sympathize with those possibilities. My whole Jr. High career I never broke 85 lbs. with a big dinner in me. Every other punk in school - most all bigger than me were constantly trying to call me out, pushing me around, stealing my lunches etc. I spent a lot of time finding safe ways to get home without getting pounded to a pulp.  I had no interest in picking fights or bothering anybody and just wanted to be left alone. I don't believe I made any efforts to invite all the unwelcome attention. But I had plenty of guys walk up and whack me on the head and shoulders because they were bigger and could get away with it, trying to provoke me. High school was a huge relief where folks seemed mature enough to live and let live.

Since that time I have met a lot of very impressive "smaller" guys. A number of the truly tough old time big game guides  and trappers here in Alaska really weren't that big but were tough as nails - Lee Hancock, Jack Lee to name a couple. I worked with a former smoke jumper who might have weighed 130 pounds and maybe 5'7" but he was very nice and tough as anybody I'd ever care to meet. 

I've also had the pleasure to meet a number of WW2 vets and I've been impressed how many of them really weren't all that big [due to depression era poor nutrition maybe?] - but they did incredible things. One guy I know told me his whole adventure of being captured in the Philippines and surviving Japanese prison camps for 4 or 5 years, beatings, slave labor, near starvation - he weighed about 100 lbs when the war ended - maybe a big guy wouldn't have made it on the poor rations.  A group of Brit vets I met in Greece were retracing their experiences in Crete where they fought the Nazis across the island only to find they'd missed the evacuation ships and ended up in prison camps. I hiked thru some of those mountains and can't imagine carrying combat gear thru that country. One among them had been a RAF pilot over France. He had been shot down, imprisoned, escaped back to Britain thru Portugal, returned to flying, was shot down again and survived prison camp until war's end.  Most of these guys were rather small unassuming and polite to the extreme. Good folks to be around, rock solid hard workers who you'd never guess had had to be so tough at one time.

I hope we can all take some advice from AtlLaw and give each person a chance to show their good side regardless of height.

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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2009, 08:27:26 PM »
My wife calls it "Short Man Syndrome"  she is the first person I ever heard use it.  Funny since she is only 4'11" herself.  I was 6'3" when we got married.  During her tour in the Air Force she met many men under 5'6".  She said they all suffered for Short Man Syndrome.  She hated the way they treated her, with her being usually the only person shorter than they were. 

Our son is 5'6", sometimes he has said some people have tried to pick on him due to his size.  Those instances are short lived, he takes care of it in his quite manner.

Sky does like some things about being short.  it was throwen in his face when he was a Freshman in high school.  A good friend Star had moved to a different school that year.  In the spring just before school was out for the summer Star came back to visit.  Star had grown during the year, she was now over 6' tall.  Sky was only about 5'.  Star came running up and hugged Sky, and held him for a long time, almost smothering him in the process.  When Sky finally came and got in the truck with me, he was smiling from ear to ear.  All the way through high school Sky never dated a girl under 5'10".

When I was going to school, I was a bully, mainly due to everyone being smaller than me.  I was the tallest guy in school.  One day in high school after beating up my very best friend, a young man that I had been good friends with since fourth grade.  I really felt ashamed of what I had done.  I realised How much I had hurt him physically, but also realized how I had just lost my very best friend.  Don had stopped growing it seemed, and I had become his worst nightmare.  I lost Don's friendship, and now some 40 years later he still will hardly talk to me.  Since that time I have never tried to take advantage of anyone due to their being shorter than me.  But some guys have told me I really intimidated them when we first met due to my size.
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2009, 08:41:40 PM »
Sky just pointed out that Dexter Jackson, reigning Mr Olympia is only 5'6".  Also Jay Cutler, 2006 and 2007 Mr Olympia is 5'8".  I think short Man Complex made them work harder than the tall guys.

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2009, 04:02:18 AM »
I'm new here, but I've been "lurking in the shawdows" of this website for a while now.  Kinda like what I see! 

Anyway, I'm one of those short fellers (5'5").  It's been my observation that a lot of tall and "normal" sized folks expect me to "have a problem" with my height.  Well, the Good Lord made me the size I am for a reason and I just play with the cards I'm delt.  Sure, I'll never dunk a basket ball, but I have better than average balance, strength and coordination and I can do things with those abilities that taller folks can't.  Plus, it makes me look younger than my age. ;D  So, since I don't have a problem with my size, that leads me to believe THEY are the ones that have a problem with my height... and I got too many other problems of my own to worry with without taking on somebody elses!


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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2009, 06:36:40 AM »
Well welcome there Soilman!   ;D  But ... uh ...  :-\ I don't know quite how to say this  :-[  but... um... when you say things like:

a lot of tall and "normal" sized folks expect me to "have a problem" with my height.

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Do you think the "problem" could be something besides your height?   ???  Like, oh I don't know,  :-\  say, just for the sake of argument you understand, your choice of gender symbol under your screen name?    :o :D  ;)  :-*
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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2009, 07:25:08 AM »
Oops! :-[  Well, ya see AtlLaw, I'm so short I couldn't see over the desk at the screen to make sure I hit the right button! ;D

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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2009, 07:37:20 AM »
Heck!  That ain't nuthin!   ::)  I'm so short I had to put training wheels on my motorcycle cause my feet won't touch the ground!   ;)

Now before you six foot some-odd guys with your heads up there in the clouds try to join in the banter, DON"T!   >:(  Only us vertically challanged can insult each other!  You try it and us short folk with our "attitudes" will bust you right in the chop ... uh, ... knee caps!   :-[
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Re: Short man's disease?
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2009, 08:00:17 AM »
My Grandpas were 5-11, my Dad was 5-11, my brother is 5-11.  I am 5-11.  I think we are about as boring and average as it gets. 

AtlLaw - you did get my attention about the gender symbol, though.  I never paid any attention to it before.  After reading your post, I checked mine right away. :o  It was OK. ;D

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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2009, 08:18:26 AM »
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Short people

Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
To live

They got little hands
Little eyes
They walk around
Telling great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
`round here

Short people are just the same
As you and i
(a fool such as I)
All men are brothers
Until the day they die
(its a wonderful world)

Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody
To love

They got little baby legs
That stand so low
You got to pick em up
Just to say hello
They got little cars
That go beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Going peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time
Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
round here
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