Author Topic: N. Korea pushing the limits (Read 1298 times)

Heather · « **on:** May 26, 2009, 06:24:25 AM »

N. Korea Ignores World, Tests More Missiles

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea launched tests Tuesday of two more short-range missiles a day after detonating a nuclear bomb underground, a news report said, pushing the regime's confrontation with world powers further despite the threat of U.N. Security Council action.

full story @ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,521821,00.html

Heather

Dee · « **Reply #1 on:** May 26, 2009, 06:32:41 AM »

Heather, N. Korea isn't pushing the limits. They know that Obama is LIMITLESS! He ain't gonna do nothin, and neither is China and Russia.
China OWNS US, and we no longer have ANY power over them, (if we ever did), they have the upper hand here, and they will back N. Korea.
Obama is a "PAPER TIGER". He is having way too much fun being president (that's president with a small "p"). For the first time in his life he THINKS everyone is paying attention to him, and he loves to hear himself READ.
No one in the other countries are taking him serious. He is a very bad "joke".

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #2 on:** May 26, 2009, 06:50:12 AM »

It will be interesting to see what happens.
The last Democrat president gave the NK's the Nuclear material and allowed them to build power plants.
Especally since his Dumb Donkey wife now has to negotiate with the NK madman that said if you give me nuclear power I will only use it for good and feed my people with it.
I think He needs a war to eliminate some of his population and to gain aid from other countries. I think he thinks he can have a limited war and still remain in power like Sadam did in 91. A war will eliminate my problems of over population, and once he hits the level he can feed he will give up the nukes that we can not hit the US with one of his missles. He tried to hit Hawaii a few years ago and missed.
He has claimed he will nuke Los Angeles.
Again all with Clinton Nuke material.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 26, 2009, 07:23:45 AM »

i read that an thought about postin on ..but went on to pleasanter things..north koreas leader has a fighters mentality..that don t fit on the man who s got his hand on the button,to blow us all up..
not without a great deal of wisdom mixed in..
now is a time to watch an pray.. yes im fearful, this morning..
this aint no game, they talkin about.. slim

Questor · « **Reply #4 on:** May 26, 2009, 07:31:06 AM »

Would they be doing this if a Republican were in office?

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 26, 2009, 07:37:46 AM »

this is a fighter ,who s scared,but won t back down... this leader has control of the situation,an may provoke ,one of several possible leaders..we don t know ,but what he is getting support from one of the strong powers of the world now..aging him on.. hes dangerouse man slim..

hunt-m-up · « **Reply #6 on:** May 26, 2009, 07:43:20 AM »

That sawed-off psycho in NK would probably challenge any new leadership. It's more a matter of how it's handled going forward and I'm not expecting much from the current guy in office. Hope I'm wrong...

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #7 on:** May 26, 2009, 07:51:15 AM »

China may own alot of our debt but collecting is altogather a different animal. The reality is they need us as much as we need them . N.K. on the other hand is a pimple on the back side of the world and sooner or later it will get poped !

WylieKy · « **Reply #8 on:** May 26, 2009, 08:08:37 AM »

North Korea is a truly frightening enemy. IMHO, N Korea is 10x's the threat of all of the Islamic contries combined. I have watched some documentaries on N Korea (not even about war, I think one was a Western Dr. doing catarac surgeries for the poor) and the level of devotion these people have for their "Leader" is...unbalanced. The man lives in a palace and starves his people to death while he eats quail eggs, yet they get down on hands and knees and give thanks to him for every spoon full of rice. The doctor I was referring to went to some poor villages and did surgery, for free, on several hundered people. To a person they knelt and wept their gratitude...not to the Dr...but to "The Leader" for haveing the wisdom and compassion to send the Dr to them. It is really frightening.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #9 on:** May 26, 2009, 08:12:28 AM »

brain washing at its best .

WylieKy · « **Reply #10 on:** May 26, 2009, 08:15:19 AM »

I found a link to the documentary if any are interested....

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/735397/inside_north_korea_national_geographic.html

Inside North Korea: National Geographic Documentary Review
May 07, 2008 by Michael A. Wood
National Geographic Under the pretense of following and documenting the medical procedures of an optometric surgeon performing much needed surgeries, pro bono, on over 1000 North Korean people in just a few days, whose diet and lack of proper medical care results in a staggeringly high rate of cataracts, a National Geographic team is able to capture the total cohesiveness and divine legitimization imposed by a tyrant leader. The film is called Inside North Korea.

North Korea builds grandiose ghost towns on its borders to display its wealth and strength to neighboring countries, but through its isolationist and bitter attitudes to any form of outside influence, subverts the idea of the people and any form of free thinking or criticism, and forces its people to suffer. Through a combination of legitimization, atomization, and force, Kim Jong-Il reigns as a god king while, publically, his people praise him for every good aspect of their life. In fact, every one of the over 1000 patients who had cataract surgery documented in Inside North Korea lifted their hands and gave shouting thanks and praise to a large wall print of their fearless leader after the completion of their operation.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** May 26, 2009, 08:18:37 AM »

most comply when the tip of a bayonet is in your back !

WylieKy · « **Reply #12 on:** May 26, 2009, 08:52:36 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on May 26, 2009, 08:18:37 AM

most comply when the tip of a bayonet is in your back !

That wouldn't scare me, because eventually the pitchforks and torches come out... The people I saw were sincere. They truly belive that the fate of their country is tied to the "Leader" and believe every good thing comes from him and every bad from the West. A very small (but brutal) fraction of the Muslims are zealots, while in NK the people seem to have swallowed the "Leaders" bait, hook, line, and sinker.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #13 on:** May 26, 2009, 08:57:58 AM »

Unfortunatly that just means that we need to do less to bail him out and make him look good.
Show that he is causing the misery and maybe there will be change. Untill the population realizes their problems are the leader there is no real helping them.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** May 26, 2009, 10:00:54 AM »

If you believe all that I have some ocean front lots in west va. you can get cheap !

torpedoman · « **Reply #15 on:** May 26, 2009, 01:50:48 PM »

nothing to worry about the U.N. passed a resolution condeming their actions. hahahahah

WylieKy · « **Reply #16 on:** May 26, 2009, 02:18:39 PM »

Quote from: torpedoman on May 26, 2009, 01:50:48 PM

nothing to worry about the U.N. passed a resolution condeming their actions. hahahahah

Oh!!! I didn't realize that the UN had it in hand. I feel much better now. Kim Jong Il had better watch himself...they might "strongly condemn" his actions. He might even get a letter....with signatures and such... Scary stuff that, lol.

Dee · « **Reply #17 on:** May 26, 2009, 02:23:31 PM »

Worse still president (little p) Obama, might READ TO THEM.

Questor · « **Reply #18 on:** May 26, 2009, 02:29:23 PM »

UN condemning their actions? That's a first step. Only about 20 more UN condemnations to go before the US does something about it with a feeble coalition of reluctant allies and the condemnation of other countries who have no stake in the matter.

BBF · « **Reply #19 on:** May 27, 2009, 08:11:31 AM »

Just precisely how should, would or could the US do anything about NK ?? The only country that would be able to put a screeching halt to all of that is China and they don't seem to be inclined to do that.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #20 on:** May 27, 2009, 08:24:13 AM »

Personally I think we should take a lead from the Isreali military when they launched a strike on Iraq's nuclear reactor at Osarik. I think it was 1981.
We should launch a strike on his launching and production facility and take away his ability to deliver the neclear weapons that Bill Clinton helped them to make.
Hey just out of Curriosity, didn't we kill the Rosenburgs for giving nuclear secrets to the Soviets?
If NK uses a nuke against us and Bill Clinton handed them the materials and technoligy to make them.......
But if China is the only one that can make the NK's do anything then why do we not put pressure on them to do what is needed in the forms of economic pressure.
How long can we go with out Chineese goods? A lot longer than China can go with out us buying those goods.

BBF · « **Reply #21 on:** May 27, 2009, 09:08:30 AM »

I presume you are aware that China only exports 5% of their production to the US so a boycott isn't going to hurt them all so much, certainly less then what they can do with that pile of US $$ they got stashed away.

If you should attack via a missile strike, the NK's will launch a ground attack against SK and they have about as much chance as a snowball in hades of stopping or winning that fight against NK. That could also be just the right button to push China in retaking Taiwan.

btw. let us hope the Israelis or those that have influence over them have sense enough not to mess with Iran. IMO of course

Dee · « **Reply #22 on:** May 27, 2009, 09:13:12 AM »

I think China is in a better position to put pressure on US, than we them. Just for starters, they own about 71% of all our home mortgages, with Japan owning about 21%.
All the money our government is borrowing right now is from China. If they quit buying our bonds and such, our economy will likely crash and Barack, the Congress and the Senate that sold us out, all know that.
Do I like it, no I don't, but it is a reality, that we have lost our influence with this "preemptive strike" mentality, and nation building government.

I would also have to agree with all BBF said, with the possible exception of Israel hitting Iran's nuclear facilities. I feel Israel has no other choice in that matter.

Dee · « **Reply #23 on:** May 27, 2009, 10:14:17 AM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on May 27, 2009, 08:24:13 AM

Personally I think we should take a lead from the Isreali military when they launched a strike on Iraq's nuclear reactor at Osarik. I think it was 1981.
We should launch a strike on his launching and production facility and take away his ability to deliver the neclear weapons that Bill Clinton helped them to make.
Hey just out of Curriosity, didn't we kill the Rosenburgs for giving nuclear secrets to the Soviets?
If NK uses a nuke against us and Bill Clinton handed them the materials and technoligy to make them.......
But if China is the only one that can make the NK's do anything then why do we not put pressure on them to do what is needed in the forms of economic pressure.
How long can we go with out Chineese goods? A lot longer than China can go with out us buying those goods.

mcwoodduck, do not think of this as a challenge as it is not. It is just that with your post on buying Chinese goods, why do we need the government to pose sanctions on them? We as Americans can do that ourselves by simply not buying ANY Chinese goods. The problem however, is most of America is either weak, or asleep, or both. But your idea is solid.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #24 on:** May 27, 2009, 10:25:10 AM »

Thanks Dee,
I go out of my way not to buy commie crap.
But if there were an embargo of all Chi Com stuff..... they may put the screws to the NK Dweeb to do what we want.

BBF · « **Reply #25 on:** May 29, 2009, 12:21:18 AM »

IMO NK is doing what China wants them to do. If they didn't , one phonecall from Peking(I like the old spelling) would stop it.

I don't know if any of you have more luck then I do in finding items not made in China in any of our Stores up here which is next to impossible.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 29, 2009, 02:09:33 AM »

i think its time we quit allowing so much goods in from them anyway.. if all chinas got to lose is 5 % of export.. they won t start a war for that.. lets do it now an put our people back to work..thats the key ,in my opinion.. the potential of our people is as great as ever.. but they can t live here on what a chinee can there.. tariffs.. selfpreservation.. i bet china would listen to us better too... if we hold this carrot in front ofum.. jmo slim

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #27 on:** May 29, 2009, 02:28:44 AM »

Destory the plant/s . Tax exports to China .

DEACONLLB · « **Reply #28 on:** May 29, 2009, 03:21:43 AM »

The problems are deep when it comes to north Korea. You need to do back and look at the history of the Korean war.When we had them pretty well whipped China turned their army loose on us and then we were fighting the Chinese army along with what was left of NK army and we were also shooting down the Russin Migs supplied to them and in some cases flown by Russian pilots. Truman never let us finish the job, Fired McArthur and pulled us back to the 38 Line and told to hold and that is where we have been for the last 50 plus years looking at each other over a no man's zone. Been there and done that as they say I was there along with thousands of other men. Kempo Korea, Fourth fighter wing 1952. our great leaders in their eyes any way need to look at history and learn the lessons. Wars fought and not won come back at you. we can not pay our enemy to not fight us because he will continue to want more till we can no longer pay.

Deaconllb

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #29 on:** May 29, 2009, 05:20:56 AM »

History Question.
Did we ever sign a peace treaty with the NK's.
I know a cease fire is what eneded the Korean War in the early 50's but I do not recall ever hearing of a treaty.
I remember in the mid 80's I had a pistol Coach SSGT Duty that had just come back from there and was suprised to hear of Ambushes and the tunnels that the NKs were digging.