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reducing recoil?
« on: May 27, 2009, 04:54:10 PM »
How many of you use muzzle brake? Do they reduce the accuracy and muzzle velocity greatly? Im looking for solutions to ease the kick of my 300wm some and have thought about a muzzle brake but im not sure if I want to go that route since I have heard they greatly increase the loudness of the firearm.

What other routes can I go besides using a muzzle brake? What are some good brands of after market butt pads for reducing recoil? is their anything else that can be done besides a muzzle brake or butt pad? Cost isnt that much of a concern just looking for some options

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Re: reducing recoil?
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2009, 05:03:11 PM »
They have recoil reducers that fit into a hole drilled in the buttstock don't remember the brand name. Think that they are filled with mercury or something similar. I seem to remember a hydraulic unit that also fits into a hole also drilled into the buttstock. Works much the same way as a shock on your car. And other than a pachmayer deaccelerator pad Thats about all I can think of. Frank

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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2009, 04:26:39 AM »
I have a Savage 116 in 300 RUM. It came with a factory muzzle brake that you twist off and on. The muzzle brake significantly reduces recoil. This is a very accurate shooter. I don't know if after market muzzle brakes come with the twist on and off capability. If they do I would recommend one. You can use the muzzle brake when bench shooting and twist it off in the field.
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 09:05:47 AM »
Tried a Limbsaver recoil pad yet? Put one on my Ruger No 1 in 300 Win Mag and my Model 77 in 7mm Rem Mag. The difference was night and day. My friend still has the factory pad on his 300 Win Mag No 1 and we can tell a big difference switching back and forth between to two. He will be changing his recoil pad soon.

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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 11:57:38 PM »
 For my use I'd skip the brake because of noise. If you didn't need full power how about some reduced loads? As a handloader you could taylor your own, if not you could buy some. With handloading you can adjust them anywhere in the range of listed loading data. You could take it down to 30-06 or 308 or so levels.
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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2009, 12:10:27 AM »
I you have a synthetic stock you can more than likely get about 2lbs of lead shot in there.  I used two ziplock freezer bags.  Put one inside the other.  Pushed them down into the stock with a ruler and then filled the bags to the top with #9 shot through a funnel.  I got almost exactly one kilo of lead in there.  Had enough left over to probably fill one shotgun shell.  I sealed the two ziplock bags and put a pieace of foam on top of them before I put the buttpad back on.  This is easy to remove if I want it to be lite again for hunting.  Most of the places I hunt here in Germany, I don't have to worry about walking long distances.  Rarely over 200 yards from a road to a stand.  If I do... well, it's just more PT...

If it's a wood stock, either install or have installed one or two mercury recoil reducers.  I've got one in a Beretta shotgun and it helped a bit.  Just enough to make it more comfortable for the wife and kids to shoot.


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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2009, 12:25:02 AM »
Shop or stop by any larger trap club and you will see all kinds of recoil reduction devices and ideas that really work. Adding weight is the old cure and it works well, use lead wool(plumbers supply), stays in place and unlike shot doesn't get loose in the stock and make noise. Spring and oil filled reducers work the best but cost more and you have to know what you are doing to install or you can ruin a stock. The mercury ones work mostly by weight but they work. Check Brownells catalog.

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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2009, 06:18:51 PM »
    Adding weight to the stock but it changes the handling charictaristics dramaticly.  I filled the stock of my sons NEF shotgun aand though it tamed the recoil we didn't like it.  In addition the weight of the rifle could make it tiresome to carry.

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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2009, 07:21:46 PM »
Hi
   Bullet weight makes a big difference in recoil on the WM .300.
The difference between a 150 gr. versus a 220 gr is significant.
I have a .300 Winchester Magnum and even though they are close in energy the recoil is much less than the Weatherby.
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2009, 07:25:59 AM »
No magic. Simple physics. You burn the propellant and exactly as much energy goes forward as goes backward. When the energy is on a 1 oz bullet... you got an elephant stomper... but the recoil to the rear is the same "quantity" . Thus the 10 or 12 lb rifles... 160 times or more weight spread over a larger area (butt pad) and bearable... Sometimes modifying the "load" of the ammo makes a
felt" difference. Sometimes.

What can you do? You can "modify" the experience. If you have "taught shooters" one of the first things you notice, the newbie complains that the gun almost tore his/her shoulder off. Give them ear plugs and the recoil is not so bad... Almost pleasant... yeahhhhhh I almost doubted this until I did my first module on shotguns... Had to teach the secretarys who didn't really want to be there... oh well.

There is one "cheat" much used by the military. Mr. Brown at eabco.com has recoil reducers on his web site, one patterned after one used much on WW II tank barrels. Looks like a sheet of metal folded over with a hole in it. Basically, it is.  Bottom line: they "catch" some of the muzzle gases as/after the bullet leaves and uses them to pull the gun forward. When you redirect the gases from just going forward, yes, it increases what you hear. Ear protection at the range. The price of the shot in the field. There is one that has no holes on the bottom so it won't kick up a dust cloud. They do make a difference and you have to decide what you will "pay" beyond just the $$.

From there the modification resembles the suspension of a vehicle. Winchester offerred on target shotguns a two piece stock of plastic (nylon???) that had springs in between. The recoil compressed the springs and the springs pushed you more slowly and... Look "Buck Rogers" (anyone remember him) and didn't sell. Most valuable now to collectors... ha, ha.

If you will study Brownells, this is one option, a weight on a spring in a tube that mounts in the butt or fore end and the recoil is delayed by the compressing of the spring and you don't feel it all at once. The "mercury recoil reducers" use the same principle by adding the liquid mercury and the flow of the liquid spreads out the recoil.

Beyond that, as suggested, if you add weight then the recoil is slower and more spread out. More mass to move to the rear by the energy available. Thus the target rifles in any caliber bedded into a railroad tie. Movement is imperceptible. But do you want to tote a railroad tie stock. Probably not.

Modern plastics (synthetic rubbers) also have this option--spreading the energy. You can have the pad on the gun or that pad you buy and wear like half a vest over your shooting shoulder, or both. But if you want the power, you have to deal with the energy. Luck.

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Re: reducing recoil?
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2009, 08:08:42 AM »


  My advice is that you shouldn't try anything until you have first bought and installed a thick, top of the line pad, either the Limbsaver or Kick-Eez brand.   They absorb LOTS of recoil, and your rifle will seem like a totally different gun.

  After installing the pad, if you still want more reduction, then add weight to the rifle, by having a small mercury filled tube inserted into the buttstock.  Any good gunsmith can recommend the proper advice.

   Forget muzzle porting or any other muzzle devices.  They are absolutely deafening, and throw muzzle blast out on each side of the rifle. 

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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2009, 05:30:08 AM »
    Mannyrock, yur right the muzzle blast and noise are bad but they work.  I have a 450 marlin Guide gun and I won't shoot it without the muzzel break.  One thing I didn't se here yet is the components of recoil.
1) Charge weight
2) bullet weight
3) Weight of the gun

Change any of them and you effect recoil.  I have a 450 marlin I'm working up a load for.  Factory loads use a 400 grain bullet i"m working up a 350 grain load.  I want a reduce recoil load for pigs. 

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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2009, 09:43:26 AM »
if you dont want to go the muzzle break way there are two other options, and yes the muzzle break does up the loudness to the point that it will leave you deaf without ear protection even if you are outdoors.

1. a proper pad , but you wont see a huge difference.

2. get a new stock with the back peace that runs parralel with your barrel, most rifles stocks are angled down and this greatly increases kick, if the stock is parrealel with the barrel it absorbs alot of the punch. it alows the force to be concentrated directly to the back into the shoulder and not , like traditional stocks, at a angle into yor face.


How many of you use muzzle brake? Do they reduce the accuracy and muzzle velocity greatly? Im looking for solutions to ease the kick of my 300wm some and have thought about a muzzle brake but im not sure if I want to go that route since I have heard they greatly increase the loudness of the firearm.

What other routes can I go besides using a muzzle brake? What are some good brands of after market butt pads for reducing recoil? is their anything else that can be done besides a muzzle brake or butt pad? Cost isnt that much of a concern just looking for some options

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2009, 09:46:55 AM »
Try a knoxx stock . Cabellas sell them. they work .
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Re: reducing recoil?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2009, 05:48:46 AM »
How many of you use muzzle brake? Do they reduce the accuracy and muzzle velocity greatly? Im looking for solutions to ease the kick of my 300wm some and have thought about a muzzle brake but im not sure if I want to go that route since I have heard they greatly increase the loudness of the firearm.

What other routes can I go besides using a muzzle brake? What are some good brands of after market butt pads for reducing recoil? is their anything else that can be done besides a muzzle brake or butt pad? Cost isnt that much of a concern just looking for some options

I used to use muzzle brakes when I was younger.  Had them on the following: .30-06, .270 Winchester, 7mm Rem mag, .300 Win. Mag, .338 Win Mag.  Do they work? Absolutely.  BUT, they are LOUD AS HECK!  You HAVE TO WEAR HEARING PROTECTION....both when shooting at the range AND HUNTING TOO.  As I got older, I just sucked it in like a man given that most of my flinching in my earlier years was mostly, if not all, psychological.  I don't use muzzle breaks anymore.  Now, that having been said, lower recoil does help you shoot better, especially over longer shooting sessions.  However, this is not a big issue when actually hunting a deer, where you will likely (or at least hopefully) only take one shot.  Still, I have no problem with using a Sims recoil pad or other similar pad.  While these pads are not as effective as muzzle breaks, they are certainly better than nothing, and they don't increase the muzzle blast.

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Re: reducing recoil?
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2009, 01:31:19 AM »
I use a muzzel brake for shooting on the bench on my 338 RUM and my 375 H&H. When I go hunting with either one I take the muzzel brake off and put a thread protector on the save the threads. That works fine for me.