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.44-40 or .45 L.C: Which Is More Effective
« on: September 19, 2003, 09:47:30 AM »
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Which do YOU believe to be more effective as a personal defense cartridge and as a small to medium game getter: .44-40 or .45 L.C.? Believe it or not, I lean toward the .44-40 as the better all-around load with factory/cowboy loads. Plus, it has the added advantage as the "original" old west cartridge that was initially chambered for rifles then six shooters. Right?

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.44-40 or .45 L.C: Which Is More Effective
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2003, 10:37:31 AM »
I would go with the .44-40, for nostalgic reasons if nothing else.
The .45 Colt has greater recoil, especially in the Colt Model P.
The .44-40 has been taking deer-sized game and smaller for 130 years, when fired in a rifle. Range against deer should be limited to 75 yards with the carbines and perhaps 100 yards with the full-length rifles --- not because of the meager difference in velocity between a 20 or 24-inch barrel, but because the sight radius on the carbine is shorter and makes precise bullet placement at 100 yards difficult.
As a defense round, the .45 Colt has a reputation as a brutal manstopper. But the .44-40 also has a reputation as a good manstopper too.
Recoil is slightly less with the .44-40, which allows for a quicker follow-up shot if one is needed.
The .44-40 launches a 200 to 215 gr. flatpoint bullet at 900 to 1,000 feet per second at the muzzle, depending on whether you use black powder or smokeless loads. That's nothing to sneeze at.
The .45 Colt launches a 250 gr. pointed bullet at 900 to 1,000 feet per second at the muzzle, depending on black powder or smokeless load used.
That's nothing to sneeze at, either.
But do you need all that power? If X is good, is X-Plus better? Your sole concern is putting the aggressor down. The .44-40 has a proven track record of doing that, so why put up with increased recoil from the .45 Colt.
Don't get me wrong! I dearly love my Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt and my early (circa 1874) Colt Model P "Peacemaker" but when it comes to dropping humans at 25 yards or less, the .44-40 will work just as well.
I've heard that many of the .45 Colt lever rifles are persnickety about feeding, whereas the .44-40 is not. This too is a strong recommendation for the .44-40 in a rifle for game at short range and people at even shorter range.
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.44-40 or .45 L.C: Which Is More Effective
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2003, 02:40:16 PM »
I think the differance between the two would be negligable. Personally, I vote for the .45. Why? For one, it is easier to reload. No need to use case lubes, carbide sizers work fine. The 44-40's odd sized bullet, sized at .428, is not as common. Were it a standard .429 it would be differant. And  in the case of factory loads, the .45 Colt has more loads available than the .44 WCF and they are usuallu less expensive. Lastly, nothing bucks in the hand like a .45! :D
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.44-40 or .45 L.C: Which Is More Effective
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2003, 01:23:29 AM »
Both sides well represented above! :)

Bottom line, it's a matter of presonal preference! I'd take a hard look at what the most likely use is going to be for a particular firearm and go from there!

The 44-40 has indeed taken a lot of small to medium game, but then so has the .45. Perhaps the reason we hear so much about the 44-40 as a deer cartridge is because it has been chambered in rifles and carbines for much longer than the .45?

Irrespective, both will do the job and do it well, within the perameters they were designed for. I've taken two deer with .45s and was satisfied with the performance each time!
Smokeless is only a passing fad!

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