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Ruger Frontier Scout- Whats the point?
« on: June 05, 2009, 12:58:53 PM »

Dear Guys,

   I got a look at a Ruger M-77II Frontier Scout today. I think that this rifle is a good example of "too much scout".   A .308 Winchester, with only a 16 inch barrel?   You lose almost 300 fps of velocity off of the round, (is it now below .300 Savage territory?), and the muzzle blast, flash and noise must be horrendous.  The rifle handles terribly.

  A scout rifle is suppose to be the ultimate PRACTICAL all-purpose rifle.  With this Frontier Scout, Ruger has pushed the scout rifle into the category of the absurd.  They have created the ultimate IMPRACTICAL rifle.

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Re: Ruger Frontier Scout- Whats the point?
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2009, 01:07:24 PM »
I don't like Rugers much, but it sounds great.  I believe it's still too heavy to be a true Scout.

http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/Ruger+M77+Mk+II+Frontier

A true Scout must have an unloaded weight, with accessories, of 3 kg (6.6 lbs)
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Re: Ruger Frontier Scout- Whats the point?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2009, 01:50:42 PM »


Swampman,

   Thanks for the link to the Review.  Well, I agree.  It's too heavy to be a scout.  I guess all of the weight is in the laminated stock.

   And, as for who would ever use one?   The writer of the Review apparently had to work hard to dream up an answer:  "For the rancher checking calves, who leaps from his quad when he sees a flash of fur in the sage, or the mounted hunter encountering that monster buck at the turn in the trail."  (Sounds to me like an ad man at Ruger wrote that one for him.)

   What a joke! Give me a break.

   Reading between the lines, the other parts of the review contain damning comments.   He notes that he was disappointed with the accuracy of the rifle, even with handloads, and that the rifle "handles like a toy."  He also said that he cooked up handloads with fast powders, because he was concerned about the loss of velocity with the 16 inch barrel, and that the report of the rifle caught his horse's attention.

   Yea, that's what I want.   A heavy, muzzle blasting .308 Winchester, that handles like a toy, and hurls rounds at 2,550 fps.  Ya never know when you'll have to leap off your horse or "quad" to dispatch a dangerous varmint or a monster deer.

   Stamp this one a loser.

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Re: Ruger Frontier Scout- Whats the point?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2009, 01:54:48 PM »
Hey Swampman,

   My sarcasm in my prior post was intended to be directed at the rifle itself, not you personally. Hope no offense was given.  If so, I apologize.

Regards,

Mannyrock

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Re: Ruger Frontier Scout- Whats the point?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2009, 02:02:09 PM »
For most hunting the 300 savage is going to do fine.
I remember reading of a hunting story where these two guys got a special permit to take a Polar bear for a museum.
The were talking about the new hi powered .300 and the new rifles built for it with the 180 grain bullets.
So far I am thinking we are talking about 1950's and the 300 Win Mag. NO they then talk about the Savage 99 and how it is leaps and bounds above the old saddle rifles for hunting.  The year was 1912.
Back to the Scout rifle.
For older guys hunting in the woods that have always liked iron sights, the scout scope is easy to use.  Power is low.  
the short little rifle is also strange but it too would be good for kids.  the scope is so far forward they can not get scope eye.  The heavy gun dampens recoil and the 308 is pergect for deer and larger game with a large assortment of loaded ammo from 125 grainers up to 180.  The short barrel allows the center of gravity to be back and not make the gun nose heavy.  Kids with less devoloped upper bodies tend to lean back to compinsate and that adds to the recoil.
I do think Ruger dropped the rifle from the line up.

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Re: Ruger Frontier Scout- Whats the point?
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2009, 03:44:50 PM »
If the accuracy was good I think it would make a nice deer rifle for the guys that hunt with dogs.  I like short bolt guns.  I am a Cooper fan & a Scout fan.  I'd like to have a Styer.
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Re: Ruger Frontier Scout- Whats the point?
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2009, 07:13:16 AM »
I don't have one of the newer Scout's but do have one of the pre-scout Compact's. I can throw in on some of the comments which apply to both.

Mine is the Ruger MK II Compact with a 16.5" barrel. It has a Burris 1.5x6 scope, and fully loaded woods ready, sling and all it weighs in at 6.5 lbs. Muzzle blast is not an issue unless you happen to touch one off inside a blind or truck cab. (and no I haven't tried that either)

Yep it might give up a few fps in velocity over a longer barrel but when hunting in thick stuff like this or thicker,

it is easily laid across one arm and never gets tangled on limbs or vines, and the short barrel is easily swung when leading running or moving game. IT rarely ever hits a limb or side of a tree like some of the longer rifles I hunt with. It has enough power and accuracy to drop feral hogs over 200# at ranges out past 400yds with factory ammo, and should easily do the trick on deer, and I wouldn't hesitate to use it on even elk for that matter.  I have never had an issue yet of any of the 150gr loads not expanding , not penetrating, or bouncing off any of the critter I have taken with it. Most simply drop on the spot and those that don't only go a few yards as they slide to a stop.

My grandson has used my Compact to take several hogs and a coyote using reduced loads. They shoot awesome getting 2650 from the 130gr Barnes TTSX and grouping easily under 1" for him, and he is only 7 now. Here are two shots he put on my plate at 185yds, his first attempt at anything that far, even with the wind blowing cross range he did excellent,


I wished I could find a couple more of them in .308 as they are really a hoot. Then I could give the grandson this one and have one all for myself. IT really throws a wrench in things when I grab it up to ride around the farm and forget it is sighted in for "his" loads, and I am using mine. There is a foot or so difference out around 150yds and I have shot over both hogs and a coyote not thinking about the ammo.

As to the newer version the Scout, I am not fond of it at all. They changed the center point and with the added rail and to me personally it is simply butt ugly. But to others it might be wonderful.

I think however you misinterpreted the writing in the article about the horse and the shooter. I got that the horse paid it no mind and the shooter was the one who took notice. As to who would use the Scout? not sure, but through the years I have come across plenty of folks using the Compact model. I generally carry mine as much, actually more than any other rifle I own. It is simply a breeze to carry and so fast that I can get 5 rounds on target into a pack of hogs before they can get away. Done it many times.

 
For a gain in anything you have to give up something. For an ultra light weight rifle you have to shed weight where you can. It don't matter who's rifle it is, with a barrel of 16.5 or 18" your still not talking top end velocity, and the blast is not going to be more from one to the other, and definitely no worse than shooting a magnum big bore handgun. Even if you DO loose 300fps of velocity, in practical hunting distances the bullet is still going to get the job done, if you can put it where it needs to be in the first place. The accuracy noted in the article shows to be plenty good for a hunting rifle, and granted it wasn't .5MOA at 100yds it was as good or better than most average shooters do anyway. 

Personally I wouldn't call it a looser until you have had it in the field for at least several trips and put a few hundred rounds through it both on the range and in real hunting situations. Otherwise it is just another rifle that may be great for one person but not someone else. Still doesn't make it juk, simply based upon one opinion or a misinterpreted article.

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Re: Ruger Frontier Scout- Whats the point?
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2009, 07:25:55 AM »
Say nothing unless you walked a mile in the mans shoes.

41 Mag  great job
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Re: Ruger Frontier Scout- Whats the point?
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2009, 01:48:20 PM »

   Good post 41 Mag, and nice pigs!
 
   Years ago, I had one of the very early Remington Model 7s in .308, with an 18 inch barrel.  I found the muzzle blast to be intolerable.  Had to go up to a 20 inch barrel.  (Remington later discontinued the 18 inch barrels, for the same reason.)



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Re: Ruger Frontier Scout- Whats the point?
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2009, 01:48:45 PM »
Say nothing unless you walked a mile in the mans shoes.

41 Mag  great job

Ditto.

Not a particular fan of the "Scout" concept but no problem with those that are.  I very much like the Ruger Compact rifles, just want mine with the scope mounted normally.  As 41 Mag points out, they are plenty of gun for many applications.  Not sure I've ever taken a big game animal I couldn't have taken just as easily with a compact, and the lower weight and better handling would have been a blessing on many outings.
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