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Offline sabotloader

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Back to the Rock Pit...
« on: June 09, 2009, 03:24:48 PM »
Got to head back to the Rock Pit again this morning.  I really wanted to get more familiar with the 45 DISC Extreme.  I really was not satisfied with the results of the outing the other day other than the fun part at the end shooting clay pigeons.

I decided on a somewhat differt approach to my testing today, although - I really wish i had grabbed the chrono.

The primary test today was to see which sabot might perform the best with the different bullets that i was using. Either the Harvest smooth Light Blue or the MMP Light Tan - both in the .40/45 variety.  It should be noted that the MMP Light Tan is not listed as a HPH sabot it is listed back in the regular sabot section.  In the package on the suggested loads it suggests that with a 170-180 grain bullet or with a 200 grain bullet - the loads may be 60/70 or 80 grains. To me in the modern inline ML these are really light loads.  The advent of the high performance SST/SW, Barnes, Lehigh and even the XTP - you will shoot greater capacity loads than listed on the package.

I was surprised that the MMP did shoot as well as it did considering that was was overcharging the sabot. I do not believe I got a sabot failure all day although sabot stress could help explain some of 'out of group' shots but mostly I truly believe they were more my fault than the sabots.

Here is a comparison picture of the sabot.  I think you can see the stress cuts that are in the cups of the MMP sabots.  They were definitely stressed.



This single picture might show it better...



A second test was to see if i could tighten the groups up a bit from th other day.

You can see I shot five different targets, using the Harvester and the MMP.  I also made a change in the powder charge due to the grouping in the first target.

I started with the Hornady 200 grain XTP as it has always been an excellent shooter for me from any of my 50 cals.  I started again with 120 grains of T7-2f, because of my thinking I need to shoot that stiff a load to get the Lehigh's to perform from a 1/30 twist.  Well, I hated the spread in group #1, with both sabots.  I also have to admit shot numger three of any group really gave me fits today as I would get a decent two shot group and then screw up #3 - Semi - I am sure has a rule for that. I hope you can see what I am trying to show with the different shots and different sabots.

After group#1 I decided maybe I would not force feed it and reduced the load to 110 grains.  Well that seem to be what it might need as the next group of XTP's tightened up quite a bit (except for the flyers which really could be me and probably is.  I continued to use 110 for all the rest of the shots.

You can see the rest of the groups and how they developed.  But what I really want to point out is the Lehigh's the recuction of powder really helped them and I really thought that it would have the opposite effect in the slow twist of the Knight bore.  This is where I really wished I had the chrono - I would really have liked to have a velocity read out on them.  If it were a 50 cal I could give a real good estimate, but these 45's are an all new ball game for me.

Here is the target from todays session...

Keep shooting muzzleloaders - they are a blast....

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Re: Back to the Rock Pit...
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2009, 04:54:45 PM »
WOW....The first three shots with the Lehigh and the Harvester sabot is AWESOME. That's a big change from your last range visit with them. Great shooting.

The 200grn XTP with an MMP sabot is doing a fine job as well. We actually did a little test with that bullet against a 195grn barnes. At low velocities on Deer the XTP did a far better job on game then the 195grn Barnes. All Deer were shot with two 777 pellets.

I know your not a big fan of XTP'

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Re: Back to the Rock Pit...
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2009, 06:50:08 AM »
When using T7, I get better accuracy with FFFg in a .45 and some .50's.  That might be interesting to try the next time out.  I have not had time to test T7 in my .45 Elite but when I do, I plan to also see how the power stem breech plug works in it.