257 roberts vs. 260 remington

[mitchell]

maybe by the end of this season if i'm lucky still waiting on the stock i order to get finished

[cleveland48]

I do not own a 257 roberts but would like to have one, i'm sure its a great cartridge.  I do have a browning synthetic stalker in 260 though, and i love it.  It has the 22in. barrel, and has a 1 in 10 twist which isn't suppose to stabilize the 140's very well but it shoots them into a inch a 200 yds, and the smaller weights shoot less most of the time.  So far this gun has been the very effective on deer.  Either one should be great for what your wanting to use it for. good luck.

[Coyote Hunter]

The Bob needs a long action to shine.

Just another DUMB old wives tale that keeps being repeated by folks who have no real world experience but want to sound like experts.

Definition: Expert. Ex- means USED TO BE. SPURT means a drip under pressure. So an expert is a former drip under pressure.

Stick to stuff you actually know a little about and you'll not look so stupid saying dumb things.

Not so fast there, Beard.  I don’t often agree with Swampgas but I do on this point and I DO have real world experience with a .257 Roberts.  Quite a bit of it, in fact.  My long-action Ruger  .257 Roberts is easily my favorite rifle.

My short-action Remington .308 Win has a magazine length of 2.80” while my Ruger long-action Roberts has a magazine length of over 3.3”.  My .257 Roberts 110g AccuBond loads run 2.95” COL, a length that is mighty tough to fit in a 2.8” magazine.  Even then the base of the bullet extends past the neck – if I was going to seat the bullet base even with the bottom of the neck the COL would be considerably longer.  COL for the Roberts’ parent cartridge, the 7x57, is 3.065”, more than a quarter-inch longer than the Remington short-action magazine.

The .257 Roberts is a great cartridge but to get the most out of it you DO need a long action.

To quote you,

Stick to stuff you actually know a little about and you'll not look so stupid saying dumb things.

[nomosendero]

The Bob needs a long action to shine.

That's why the .30-06 or .308 should be the min. legal cartridge for elk.

Graybear pretty much sums up may opinion of the above in his response to Swampgas:

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Stick to stuff you actually know a little about and you'll not look so stupid saying dumb things.

OK, you and Graybeard agree here.

[nomosendero]

I don't like the .260 at all, but the Bob probably isn't a good choice for the short acton.

Jus to set the record straight:

SAAMI max COL are as follows:

2.780" = .257 Roberts
2.800" = .260 Rem

Thus, if you plan to stay with either factory ammo with the Roberts, which I doubt, or SAAMI COL, a short action is fine.

Like you said before, it's fine, especially in the case of this action which is more of an intermediate action anyway & a little longer than a true short action. So, they can be longer than factory Roberts specs. if the chamber would allow.

[Sweetwater]

The family history with the 257Roberts began in the Fall of 1952. Dad's was new that season. My grandfather liked it so much, he bought a used 1949 model for the season of '53. Both are Remington 722's and in my cabinet now. Grampie worked for Acadia National Park in Maine and helped in the deer reduction programs in the early 60's. By actual tally, he culled more deer than all the other hunters combined. He chose to use his 257Roberts and supply his own ammo rather than use the govt issued 308 autoloaders that the others were given.

The hundreds of deer that these two rifles have accounted for in the last 50-plus years didn't know it needed a long action to be effective. Dead is dead, and Gramp was a dead shot.

Regards,
Sweetwater

[Coyote Hunter]

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The hundreds of deer that these two rifles have accounted for in the last 50-plus years didn't know it needed a long action to be effective. Dead is dead, and Gramp was a dead shot.

Regards,
Sweetwater

Settwater –

You are quite correct in your statement that the .257 Roberts does not need a long action to be effective.

On the other hand, if one wants to drive the Roberts to its full potential, a long action is indeed necessary.

[billy_56081]

If a person was to use a long action, why would they handicap themselves with the .257 bob and not a 25-06? In an intermediate or short action a bob is fine.

[nomosendero]

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The hundreds of deer that these two rifles have accounted for in the last 50-plus years didn't know it needed a long action to be effective. Dead is dead, and Gramp was a dead shot.

Regards,
Sweetwater

Settwater –

You are quite correct in your statement that the .257 Roberts does not need a long action to be effective.

On the other hand, if one wants to drive the Roberts to its full potential, a long action is indeed necessary.

I know what CH means, buuut
To get max. performance, yes you can use a longer than normally acceptable action to get increased performance, the 257 Roberts is not unique at all in that regard. The standard or "long" action is designed for 30-06 length actions, the Ruger 77 "long" action come to mind. But the Rem. 700 long action is actually a magnum length My 270 & 300WM have throats long enough that I can take adv of this. These guns take advantage of the potential & in fact due to the fact the 300WM is a longer case, i will not bother with a Ruger in that round. But all of the fact ammo is not too long for Ruger & you can't say that The Ruger is unacceptable for '06 length rounds or even the 300, otherwise Ruger would not chamber it. But my 270 & 300WM rounds are tooo long for the Ruger & are great loads.
It is exactly the same thing!! So decide what your goals are.

For CH & others who are set up for the Roberts with dies, brass, etc. & they just want it & they want to use a long action, fine. But if someone wants a 25 & is not set-up for either round & will use a long action, I would agree emphatically with Billy & get a 25-06, the round is a good deal hotter & brass is much more available & better in every way really for MY uses.

[wganz]

I don't like the .260 at all, but the Bob probably isn't a good choice for the short acton.

Jus to set the record straight:

SAAMI max COL are as follows:

2.780" = .257 Roberts
2.800" = .260 Rem

Thus, if you plan to stay with either factory ammo with the Roberts, which I doubt, or SAAMI COL, a short action is fine.

Having had a .257 Roberts since 1983 I'll chime in here. The shorter actions won't let you load the longer/heavier bullets out where they're won't protrude below the cartridge neck which cuts down on available case volume. Which cuts down on velocity or increases pressure which lead to the current factory +P loads. You will need a long(or one of the 'intermediate' CZ Mausers for the 57mm length cartridges) action to get the most of the .257 Roberts. This is from 26 years of BTDT with the .257 Roberts.

Now, with you having a short action; the .260 Remington is the best match. The long range tactical shooters here in the Dallas area are going to the 6.5/.264" rounds for the reduced recoil and better bullet SD.

Get the .260 Remington and don't look back. 

[nomosendero]

I don't like the .260 at all, but the Bob probably isn't a good choice for the short acton.

Jus to set the record straight:

SAAMI max COL are as follows:

2.780" = .257 Roberts
2.800" = .260 Rem

Thus, if you plan to stay with either factory ammo with the Roberts, which I doubt, or SAAMI COL, a short action is fine.

Having had a .257 Roberts since 1983 I'll chime in here. The shorter actions won't let you load the longer/heavier bullets out where they're won't protrude below the cartridge neck which cuts down on available case volume. Which cuts down on velocity or increases pressure which lead to the current factory +P loads. You will need a long(or one of the 'intermediate' CZ Mausers for the 57mm length cartridges) action to get the most of the .257 Roberts. This is from 26 years of BTDT with the .257 Roberts.

Now, with you having a short action; the .260 Remington is the best match. The long range tactical shooters here in the Dallas area are going to the 6.5/.264" rounds for the reduced recoil and better bullet SD.

Get the .260 Remington and don't look back. 

Exactly what I was talking about with the 300WM in a Ruger, but again the Ruger is ACCEPTABLE in the 300WM, I just wanted more & it's the same DANG thing as is being rehashed over & over !!!


BESIDES GUYS
Too late & he made a good choice & it's a Mauser action that is a little longer than a short action anyway,
always good to look at what he did & why.

[Sweetwater]

BESIDES GUYS
Too late & he made a good choice & it's a Mauser action that is a little longer than a short action anyway,
always good to look at what he did & why.

+1 Exactly! 
Plus it was HIS choice to make and will certainly serve HIS purpose well within it's self imposed limitations.

Looking forward to the pics and report!

Regards,
Sweetwater

[nomosendero]

Some attempted to circle the wagons again, time to move on, I'm shutting it down.