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2009 Barnes TSX performance feedback in our Safari camp
« on: June 16, 2009, 04:30:36 AM »
Hi folks, as promised here are some observations and opinions about the performance of the Barnes TSX bullets this year. There were 52 animals shot with the TSX and a nearly equal amount of game taken with several other brands. This is the first year that every hunter in camp came with “Premium” bullets. Not a single hunter used a common “cup and core” style bullet. I hope that my rants on this subject have finally paid off regarding the advantage of the additional cost for premium bullets.

Since this is article is primarily for the TSX bullet, I will describe the events for those and use the other brands as a balance of performance. To attempt to create a document with the detail needed for each brand,….. well it would take a long time, and a lot of space here. Furthermore there was far more detail and resolution with the TSX as more game was harvested with the TSX then all the other bullet brands combined.

The best news of all is that there was not even one animal lost with the TSX bullet this season. Considering all the game shot with the TSX, both 165 grain in 30/06 and 270 grain in 375HH this is an impressive achievement. There was game wounded with several different bullets that took some time to recover, and required follow up shooting. This was as far as I could tell more likely due to shot placement and not with the projectile. As is the case every year, no matter what the skill level of the hunters, or the cartridges chosen, game will be shot poorly and we will have tracking and follow up days during each safari. There are just so many animals shot, and so many brushy and quick situations. This often creates less then perfect shots, it’s just the way things seem to happen.

We recovered only 7, 30/06 TSX bullets, and we recovered no 270 grain bullets from the 375HH. The 270 grain TSX seems to open quicker and with more violence then the smaller 30/06 bullets. That 270 grain bullet chews a hole through bone and tissue like few other bullets can. The damage path with that 270 grain bullet with a MV of 2800 fps is one of the most impressive I’ve ever seen, quite a bit more disruptive then even the 300 grain TSX has been. The typical 300-350 fps faster speed of the 270grain is a significant improvement on the terminal performance. The 270 grain in my opinion is enough bullet for anything alive on this planet. I have said many times before and will confirm this again, it’s enough for Cape buffalo. The penetration of this bullet in my experience is equal or greater then any 300 grain expanding bullet with a lead core. It takes a lot of tissue compression or an exceptional range to collect one of these bullets inside game.

We recovered well over a dozen bullets, or parts of bullets from all the other cartridges used. The skinner used for many of these hunts had very strict instructions to recover every bullet and fragment he could from the game. It’s my first experience this year with so many fragmented pieces of  the Nosler Partition. I would never have believed that so many little pieces could be found by the skinner. Nobody with any amount of experience argues the performance of the partition being somewhat of a baseline for bullet performance. Better then the Partition is all good, but worse performance is a problem that needs strict attention.

We recovered a number of jacket pieces and lead segments from several different animals shot with the Partition. This shows that even the legendary Partition will go to pieces when shot with high velocity cartridges and close range at heavy game. I have seen Partitions come apart before but this year was more then normal. The up side was that nothing was lost with a Partition. Although there was a few very long grueling follow ups looking for wounded animals. (shot placement was a strong contributor on some of these)

If my count is right 31 animals were shot with my 30/06 using the 165 grain partitions, and another 6 were shot with the same cartridge and nearly identical loads by other hunters. 37 animals this year were shot with the 165 grain 30/06 bullet.  Some notable trophies were 2 huge waterbuck, 7 Blue Wildebeest, 4 Zebra’s, 4 Gemsbok, 6 warthogs, and 4 Kudu. 7 recovered bullets, the rest simply passed right through.



The first and third bullets are from 300 meter plus shots on Zebra and wildebeest. The second bullet is from a length wise shot at a warthog from only 30 meters. The fourth bullet is from the 175 meter shot I made on the Zebra. Note the length of this bullet from a Zebra shot at 180 meters compared to the bullet used on a similiar shot on a Zebra at just over 300 meters. The reduced velocity of that longer shot still allowed a complete expansion of the bullet.


Remaining fragments from two different Partition bullets, the small lead pieces I collected seem to have vanished on my way home?  The other two partition bullets have the typical recovered appearance. Nothing wrong with this so long as penetration is sufficient. They will as a normal design lose the front half of the bullet during penetration, this is not a bullet or design failure.

I shot a zebra at about 175 yards, a rather long shot for our habitat, but it was all I had available. The bullet struck a quartering away direction and came to rest under the skin in front of the off shoulder. The entry was behind the last rib. This bullet was about one foot per second from being an exit hole. The skin in front of the bullet was cut in three places about 1/8” for each hole. Had that bullet been any faster it would have poked clean through. The hole was actually bleeding and looked like and exit hole. It was visually  bulging with the bullet just under the skin. The same bullet and load passed through several wildebeest, and other Zebras as well. One was recovered under the skin of the chest on an impala with a perfectly centered “Texas heart shot” Another from a Blesbok’s shoulder with a very far 300 yard plus quartering away shot. That was well over 30” of penetration at a laser measured 300 plus yards! I have seen countless Zebra, eland, and wildebeest in my career shot with a 375HH and a bonded core bullet. A large percentage of these animals have managed to contain the large mushroomed bullet under the skin on the exit side. Yet the 30/06 with much less energy has exited or at least equaled the penetration when the 165grain TSX bullet is used.


This is the exit side of a warthog, the blood trail would have been sufficient although in this case not needed. The warthog only ran about 50 meters.


Accuracy is unmatched with proper load development and ammunition construction techniques. This is where many of the critics come out of the woodwork where problems arise. This is not your Daddies bullet, and as such does not always work with the same procedures you have used for load development with other bullets. I’m not going into how to develop and load ammo here, just want to say that it may take some time to sort through the best combinations of powder, primer and seating depths. When it all comes together the accuracy and performance are just magic on big game.

I closely inspected every carcass shot when the skinning was complete and meat was hanging in the cool room. In every single case when a chest shot was made through the ribs, the entry was easily identified when compared to the exit. The exits were on average 4 times the size of the entries. This confirms without any question the bullets expand even when the exit holes in the hide don’t look as if they had expansion. The photo here of the warthog is a typical example of the exit hole and the blood loss.

On a few occasions there were petals broken off of the recovered bullets. Twice there was a single petal broken off, and on one rather close shot all four were broken off with the bullet entering the back of the warthog near the tail and coming to rest inside the skull. This was about a 30 yard shot on a medium female warthog used to feed the staff. The bullet actually entered with only a small partial hole right next to the wagging tail! I made this shot in a deliberate attempt to see just how far the bullet would go, or if it would still have enough power to break the skull. In addition I wanted to see just how straight it would travel through the inconsistent tissues involved through its damage path. The heavy bones of the pelvis, organs, muscle tissue and skull might cause a variance in straight bullet travel. However there was no bullet deflection at all in this test . The travel was as straight as a ruler could have made it. Overall I cannot find fault with the TSX in anyway again this year. I shot several 130 grain TTSX bullets at impala, none recovered and the internal damage was significant. Actually the same as the plain old TSX.

I don’t see a measurable difference in the performance between the two. I suppose if you’re of the mind that the plastic tip will improve the ease of the bullet opening and provide you with a flatter shooting projectile, the TTSX is made for you. I don’t see any need to change a single thing from the 165grain TSX bullet at about 2900fps from the 30/06. Several of the hunters and I joked that so many guys bring huge case capacity magnums, and then spend time looking for wounded game. I cannot stress enough that not a single plains game animal was lost with the 30/06 and the 165 grain TSX bullets again this year. There were however a number of wounded animals with magnum cartridges. One second time plains game hunter commented that his next safari will be with one of his 30/06 rifles. He used my 30/06 to finish his safari after a problem with his 338 came up.

 It’s no wonder the locals throughout much of Southern Africa regardless of the country feel so comfortable with the smaller 308, 30/06, and 270 cartridges. Once the decision is made to jump from these cartridges they move right up to the 375HH, and from there the 458. Those local Southern African hunters regardless of the country don’t really buy into the hype and need for the over bore magnums. Now with the improved bullets available like the TSX they can have an easy to shoot, economical cartridge that will easily out perform the bigger magnums using a cup and core bullet. There is no doubt that a 30/06 shooting a 165 grain TSX bullet at 2900fps will easily provide more over all lethal performance than a 300 win mag shooting a 180 grain cup and core bullet at 3100fps. I’ve seen this plenty of times where the TSX from the old non-magnum will exit while the heavier cup and core bullet will fragment into many small pieces and have no exit hole, and quite often under penetrate.

As I have written before, and a fitting close to this article. Any bullet can have a failure depending upon the definition of “failure”. For my money and with the experiences I have had since using this bullet. I would prefer a bullet fail to an un-opened solid, or lose all the petals, then to have the whole bullet crumble away or fall short of desired penetration needed. Even if the bullet fails to an unopened solid, or has all the petals break off. If the aim was true to begin with, then the bullet will impact the organs you were aiming at and destroy them. Many times a hunter will criticize the performance of the bullet or at least be left wondering how the bullet could have failed him when the game is lost. I suspect that most of these animals were not hit well, rather then having a bullet failure. We have seen a number of cup and core bullets, fall short of the penetration needed. Having that thick very elastic hide so typical of many African animals absorb much of the impact. Which then causes the rapid destruction of the bullet, while it continues to disintegrate in the next few inches falling short of the off side lung. An animal pouring blood from the entry inspires confidence at the point of impact. However after several hundred yards of tracking the hunter asks how can this be? How can that much blood be seen and the animals travel so far?  A herd animal with one good lung can run dead on its feet for a very long time trying to stay with the group.

With a bullet that crumbles or falls short of the desired organs, you will be tracking and hoping for many hours and kilometers that you find the game. This makes for long evening around the campfire while everyone else is laughing and enjoying the hunt stories, and you sit stressed out and wondering just how much of your trophy will be left from the hyenas and jackals. That is if you’re lucky enough to even find it in the morning!

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Re: 2009 Barnes TSX performance feedback in our Safari camp
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2009, 05:53:00 AM »
Thanks for the write-up.  I am keeping track of bullet performance.  I will never make it to Africa, but my bullet supply might be legislated out.

If I get the drift of you write-up on Barnes bullets the last couple of years going light for caliber is the way to go.  My normal thinking is heavy for caliber, in the 270 Winchester I prefer the 140, and 150-grain bullets over the 130-grain because I want the exit wound.  If I understand and apply the criteria you are using and adjusting it to blacktail and mule deer, the 110-grain Barnes should prove adequate?

I have had success on Mule deer and Blacktail using 165-grain bullets from Nosler, Hornady, and Remington in my .300 Savage.  It would appear that the 150-grain Barnes would achieve the same or better results.  I understand the .30 caliber, 130-grain bullet is short and may present seating and crimping issues. 

I really do not need additional bullets, I have a life time supply but the Tax, and Fee legislature of Cal-Mexico may change that.

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Re: 2009 Barnes TSX performance feedback in our Safari camp
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2009, 09:11:58 PM »
If I get the drift of you write-up on Barnes bullets the last couple of years going light for caliber is the way to go.  My normal thinking is heavy for caliber, in the 270 Winchester I prefer the 140, and 150-grain bullets over the 130-grain because I want the exit wound.  If I understand and apply the criteria you are using and adjusting it to blacktail and mule deer, the 110-grain Barnes should prove adequate?


165 grain in a .30-06 is not light-for-caliber.  150 would probably be.  When comparing sectional densities, the 130 and 140 grainer in your .270 would most closely match that of the 165 grain .308.   

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Re: 2009 Barnes TSX performance feedback in our Safari camp
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2009, 03:16:28 AM »
Over the years I have felt the 150 grain bullet would probably work almost as well as the 165 in Africa. Although I have not given it the same chance to prove this because the 165 has been so spectacular. There is a lot of importance place on a bullet, Expand  properly and hold together at point blank and then manage to expand fully at extended ranges on many smaller species. It's been my experience that the 165 grain TSX works on tissue and bone like a bullet much heavier then it actually is. People speak of Sectional Density as the "be all-end all" reference to penetration. There was a time where this was true. Not anymore. SD is a mathmatical measure of an un-used, unexpanded bullet, the calculations for SD change instantly the moment of impact after expansion and mushrooming occur.

Interesting that the calculation for SD is no longer functional after the instant of impact, but the SD numbers for many folks seem to be the final word on penetration. I would agree that two identically constructed bullets of different weights would fit into the SD theory, but you cannot compare the lower SD of a Barnes TSX to the Higher SD of a cup and core bullet and expect the SD number to mean anything at all.

With that said, the 150 grain bullet would be much better if there was nothing going to be shot under 150 yards, or the velocity was kept well below the max. I'm extrapolating some of my feelings here. I've seen both the 165 and 180 grain TSX lose petals with high velocity close range impacts. The Loss of petals with the 165 has been the exception rather then the rule. So I have set my needs here based on the success of the bullets to stay intact the majority of time. I also have a much wider range of needs then anyplace else on earth for these projectiles. I have a high percentage of close range shooting from archery distances all the way out to as far as the shooter is comfortable or his skills and conditions will allow. This is not unique to RSA, but when you add in the diversity of wildlife that is hunted with the single plains game hunting rifle, that creates a series of demands that drive the decision stick with the 165grain. We shoot Steenbok duikers and Springbok that are very small antelope. Many as light as 30lbs, all the way up to the Eland which can be 2000lbs. Or the very tough Wildebeest and Zebra, even waterbok and gemsbok. The range of size for the animals and distances we hunt are among the toughest demands possible for a projectile in any anyone location or habitat on earth.

If I were to take out any possible shots under lets say about 80 yards, and remove animals like the Eland, wildebeest, zebra, waterbok and gemsbok being shot at over 200 yards. I think the 150's would be just fine. However I feel that the point blank large animal potential is frequent enough that the 165 has the additional integrity to be my choice. For North America on non-herd animals as fragile as deer, or even the Pronghorn, lighter bullets are no issue. When you choose a single projectile and load (as I do) and then want to use that one load for Elk or Mtn Goat as well, you're more in line with the issues I have in RSA. Shooting a Pronghorn at 300 meters and then an elk at 75 meters puts similiar difficult stresses on that same bullet and load.
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Re: 2009 Barnes TSX performance feedback in our Safari camp
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2009, 04:45:16 AM »
Great Article JJ....thank-you!
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Re: 2009 Barnes TSX performance feedback in our Safari camp
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2009, 03:31:46 PM »
Welcome back Jim. One of the great things about June is that as the weather get brutal here in Texas I can sit on my patio with a sundowner and read hunting reports from Africa. I always enjoy your ballistic reports and await the upcoming photos and reports from your clients. Thanks!!!

btw, I have always liked the 165 on whitetail and boar. It shoots better in my rifles than the 180 and works great.

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Re: 2009 Barnes TSX performance feedback in our Safari camp
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2009, 07:59:27 AM »
Hats off to the moderator for such a well scripted report of those TSX bullets!~ I have several down stairs I am wanting to try with my .338 win mag, .375-Wby and .458-Lott. I have always been told that Zebra are very hard to bring down and a good bullet is a must to seal the deal. Good report!

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Re: 2009 Barnes TSX performance feedback in our Safari camp
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2010, 09:47:22 AM »


  The TSX & TTSX bullets rule for normal hunting distnaces IMHO&E