Author Topic: N.Korean ship (Read 2504 times)

yotesmoker · « **on:** June 18, 2009, 10:07:34 AM »

What do you think is going to happen with korean we are following.I'll bet anything that we back down and do not board it.I'm just plain disgusted with our government.We need a new party with balls.

teamnelson · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2009, 11:04:17 AM »

Per the UN resolution we can't board it without permission from North Korea. And our current President will not authorize independent, unilateral military action.

It didn't take a party to establish our nation, just a people.

BBF · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2009, 06:35:08 AM »

Destination unknown as yet. Cargo might be weapons related.

This whole shadowing thing is another excercise in futility. There will be no inspection, just a waste of time and resources.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2009, 01:35:19 PM »

It's probably empty and kim jong il is hoping we board it so he can call it an act of war.

Gary G · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2009, 01:02:14 PM »

"We wish not to meddle with the internal affairs of any country, nor with the general affairs of Europe. Peace with all nations, and the right which that gives us with respect to all nations, are our object." --Thomas Jefferson to C. W. F. Dumas, 1793. ME 9:56

Without an adequate airforce or navy, N.K nor Iran is a threat to the U.S.
Their leaders only want remain in power and will not attack, for to do so would be the end for them.
The message that we have given the world is that if you have a nuclear weapon, we leave you alone. So they seek one.

Repressive regimes usually end from within, when the people learn the true cause of their poverty. Embargoes, etc. are used by the leaders to propagandize their subjects that the U.S is the cause of their poverty, thus extending their regime. Free trade allows mingling of different peoples and is a source of learning for these peoples. To forbid such is to extend their duration.

Fear is used by our government to convince a majority of the people that more government is the answer, when in actuality, government must devour the resources of the people to exist.

Mikey · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2009, 03:23:01 AM »

TM7: I'll just bet that ship is heading to the middle east but I doubt it is carrying anything weapons related - it's probably loaded with Kimchi, which although edible is considered somewhat dangerous and the proof of this is the reluctance on the part of the ship's captain to enter the crew's quarters after a meal of that stuff.

All commies are not totally ignorant of capitalist ways. The North Koreans probably know that with little effort they could corner the world's Kimchi market and become a significant fiscal entity. It might not be too far beyond the inconceivable that the NKs might try to establish a Kimchi market niche fopr themselves in Japan as well as the US. The middle east would be next.......

I personally know Kimchi to be exotic, of foul odor, dangerous to the stability of one's digestive trac, nearly explosive when large amounts are eaten, almost as caustic as pepper spray and could probably work as a bear deterrant. And, the stuff is almost addictive too, so there is ample reason not to board that ship. Besides, if the NKs are trying to hide anything in the Kimchi it will probably bio-degrade and become useless. In the early 70s it was known that bullets dipped in Kimchi would degrade so rapidly that all you would get is a fart out the end of the barrel. Just thought I would share that with you...........

BBF · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:19:32 AM »

Smell that stuff just once, you will never forget it or mistake it for something else !!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #7 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:27:11 AM »

Well if it goes by East Africa maybe the pirates will fill us in !
Maybe slip um some aid or something for their effort !

45-70.gov · « **Reply #8 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:29:04 AM »

maybe the ship is a nuclear booby trapp

maybe the pirates will hi jack it

2 problems solved

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #9 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:30:58 AM »

nice idea !

Mikey · « **Reply #10 on:** June 24, 2009, 01:33:33 PM »

"Mikey,,,,sounds like that kimchi is super sauerkraut in the WMD area of food weapons...

..TM7".

Yep!

scootrd · « **Reply #11 on:** June 24, 2009, 03:04:09 PM »

I love Kimchi.

As far as the ship... if it's determined it's heading for one of our Allie ports we probably wont do anything.
If it's determined it's heading for non allie port ..I bet we get the spanish to step in and board her like the US and UN asked of them previously.

As far as Korea considering it an act of war... big deal. They are a fly on an elephants butt we should have squashed years ago.
Kim Jong-il is a nut, and his father was a nut. I think that so called war of his would last less than the Iraeli 6 day war..,,and when it
was over there would be one unified democratic Korea.

I wouldn't expect china to even step in to help them. Oh they may raise a stink and alot of the typical chinese Govt posturing will take place but in the end N. Korea is a puppet... or more like a step child throwing a temper tantrum on a world stage constantly seeking attention. I think even China has grown tired of them . I say take their toys away from them before they hurt others and let's be done with it. The longer we pussyfoot around and let Iran and N.Korea strengthen their ties the worse it is for the whole world. I believe it takes approximately 12 minutes for one of out fighter jets to fly from Osan air base to Pyongyang to end this stupid idiots regime and remove a non evolving world blight off the globe so the rest of us can continue to progress and move forward as a respectful world society.

I get so tired of the BS clinton'esc politics of if you don't proliferate arms and build nuclear we will reward you with all kinds of money and aid.
My dad's attitude was no I am not going to reward you with an allowance for doing what you should be doing right in the first place because you live here. Now go do whats right and cut the damn lawn. Additionally of you don't cut the lawn here are the repercussions.... usually involved me not being able to sit down for a few weeks!!!

Make an example of Korea and watch how fast others like Venezuela say OH sh!@# the world means it this time and they fall in line
and start playing nice.

My 2 cents.

Mikey · « **Reply #12 on:** June 25, 2009, 01:18:57 AM »

Scootrd: that's too easy, too straightforward, and way too practical for anyone in dc. jmtcw.

BBF · « **Reply #13 on:** June 26, 2009, 08:35:18 AM »

The last time there was a war( oops Police Action) in Korea it didn't end up all that well. What would be different now??

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** June 26, 2009, 08:47:57 AM »

better weapons on our part !

BBF · « **Reply #15 on:** June 26, 2009, 09:09:38 AM »

that is only helpful if you get permission to use them from your own Govt., not any more likely as it was in theKorea Conflict or Vietnam with ceasefires and sanctuaries given.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** June 26, 2009, 09:13:01 AM »

We are in a era of change !

scootrd · « **Reply #17 on:** June 26, 2009, 12:15:08 PM »

Quote from: BBF on June 26, 2009, 08:35:18 AM

The last time there was a war( oops Police Action) in Korea it didn't end up all that well. What would be different now??

The last time we were at war in Korea we:
1. Didn't have the weapons we have now
2. Would have squashed 'em if the Chinese hadn't entered into the war on their behalf which caused a stalemate
3. Once we pushed them back to the 38th parallel we entered peace talks rather than continue a long protracted drawn out war.
4. WE SHOULD have pushed them back all the way to china's tiananman square.

Wouldn't be surprised if the ship is Burma bound , since there is an arms and trade embargo against the country.
But it aint to trade rice!!!!

Burma is building a nuke plant and there is growing concern Uranium is being mined refined and processed into yellow cake.
Burma has close ties with Iran as well , it reinstated ties with North Korea in 2006 so I could see the exchange N. Korea gives
Burma arms and missiles and Burma gives N. Korea Yellow cake.
Yellow cake is just a processing step or so away of creating weapons grade Uranium.

I'm telling ya we need to squash N. Korea now. Everyone always focuses on the middle east ..
I Have always said North Korea is a much much bigger threat. Even bigger than Iran.
But dont Think Burma isnt playing middle man between Iran and N. Korea either .
They are all playing together trading ore and technology in their quest for a nuclear weapons (not non threatening Nuke Power).

teamnelson · « **Reply #18 on:** June 26, 2009, 02:20:25 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on June 26, 2009, 09:31:21 AM

I doubt Myrammar has any use for spophisticated weapons, nukes, or rocketry. If there are weapons on board they might be AK-47 variants. ..TM7

... or Myanmar is helping the evil US gunstore operators route serialized registered weapons into the hands of drug lords in Mexico ... by the dozens.

Seriously, I think you're probably right. Its a tempest in teapot - Kim is kicking sand in Obama's face.

Gary G · « **Reply #19 on:** June 27, 2009, 12:23:22 PM »

If Obama would mind his own business he would not get sand kicked in his face. I think only a certain type of person desires to be a politician; a natural busy body who wants to run everyone else business and thinks he is smart enough to know everything about anything from running businesses to controlling foreign governments to our health care.
I think Jong is trying to keep his people fearful of the boogie man (USA) to keep their attention off their dire economic condition.

Savage .250 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 28, 2009, 02:57:52 AM »

Nothing much being said in print or on local TV about this issue.

BBF · « **Reply #21 on:** June 28, 2009, 11:07:07 AM »

M. Jackson is much more important news

scootrd · « **Reply #22 on:** June 28, 2009, 05:18:26 PM »

Quote from: BBF on June 28, 2009, 11:07:07 AM

M. Jackson is much more important news

Unreal .. A pedophile dies (excuse me , an alleged pedophile) Who swears nothing is wrong with sleeping with little boys in the same bed where nothing happens, and the whole news world stops to cover the story. ) it's amazing how fame and hush money buys a get out of jail free card in this country. I can't believe the 24/7 coverage. U.S news coverage has their priorities skewed. I wouldn't have given his death more than two minutes of coverage on TV, radio or print. And lets not forget O.J. What a sic joke that trial was . Where is Walter Cronkite when you need 'em

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #23 on:** June 30, 2009, 01:51:46 AM »

WC was a lib !

scootrd · « **Reply #24 on:** June 30, 2009, 05:39:32 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on June 30, 2009, 01:51:46 AM

WC was a lib !

That was my whole point , now media is skewed. They don't just report facts.
One of the most noteworthy comments regarding WC and one that he was most applauded for was he never let his personal view points enter the newscast. He just reported the unbiased facts. Even during wartime.

......And that's the way it is was!!!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #25 on:** June 30, 2009, 06:03:26 AM »

Go back and look at some of his work , he was good at getting his point across but not in your face like today . Remember also his news in war was reviewed by the war dept. before released . In his later years he came on strong as a lib. anti war , anti gun , big govt. etc. He helped lay the foundation of the news we have today .

scootrd · « **Reply #26 on:** June 30, 2009, 06:59:45 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on June 30, 2009, 06:03:26 AM

Go back and look at some of his work , he was good at getting his point across but not in your face like today . Remember also his news in war was reviewed by the war dept. before released . In his later years he came on strong as a lib. anti war , anti gun , big govt. etc. He helped lay the foundation of the news we have today .

I wasn't debating his liberalism (however he does hold a different definition of Liberalism) What I was pointing out was He always tried to never let his personal views enter the Evening News Booth. it was only after he retired he stated he was Liberal. News anchors today could learn a lesson of reporting facts and remaining unbiased in their reporting. That was my point.

Time interview - 2003

Q. You have basically come out and said you're a liberal. How do you respond when critics say, "Aha, I knew reporters were liberal, and this is why the media is biased"?

A. I do not consider a liberal necessarily to be a leftist. A liberal to me is one who—and it suits some of the dictionary definitions—is unbeholden to any specific belief or party or group or person, but makes up his or her mind on the basis of the facts and the presentation of those facts at the time. That defines what I am. I have never voted a party line. I vote on the individual and the issues.

Q. Was there ever a time when you were anchoring that it was difficult for you to hold in your feelings?

A. Oh, yeah, that was about daily, I think. But that's not unusual or extraordinary. That's what all of us who work for the front page do. That is part of our training. We learn to put our personal feelings behind us and try to write the facts as nearly as we can come to them as honestly as we can report them.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #27 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:08:37 AM »

nice fairy tale , libs are good at that .
Keep in mind they feel if they repete a lie long enough people will beleve it .
The owners of the news organizations have changed along with accepted pratices .

Savage .250 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 01, 2009, 03:20:19 AM »

This mornings paper said the ship had turned back. Maybe heading back to original port?

BBF · « **Reply #29 on:** July 01, 2009, 06:23:24 AM »

The ship may have had nothing it it but did accomplish two Navy ships to waste time and fuel on an escorted trip.