Author Topic: 30-30 versus .35 Rem? (Read 7522 times)

BBF · « **Reply #30 on:** August 29, 2009, 05:10:10 AM »

Pete

did you save up on those old style 170 gr Silvertips?? A shame they stopped making them in other weight and calibers as well.

The only one of those that I ever felt was a poor design was the 200 gr 30 cal.

Swampman · « **Reply #31 on:** August 29, 2009, 05:47:25 AM »

The .30-30 makes more sense. If that matters. They are about equal in killing power.

rickt300 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 04, 2009, 05:04:41 AM »

I consider the 35 Remington a step up in power with reloads and even factory loads give the 35 an edge. Having shot deer with both I think the 35 gives better penetration and makes a bigger hole. Either will kill deer well enough. For varmints if there is a better raccoon load than a 158 grain HP at 2400 fps I'd have to se it to believe it.

alien319 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 05, 2009, 03:15:29 PM »

I love the .30-30 Win. Excellent deer and even a good black bear load with the right placement. Never used the .35 Rem but I think you would like either one! I have a Win. Model 94 in .30-30.

Dee · « **Reply #34 on:** September 05, 2009, 03:29:13 PM »

Quote from: rickt300 on September 04, 2009, 05:04:41 AM

I consider the 35 Remington a step up in power with reloads and even factory loads give the 35 an edge. Having shot deer with both I think the 35 gives better penetration and makes a bigger hole. Either will kill deer well enough. For varmints if there is a better raccoon load than a 158 grain HP at 2400 fps I'd have to se it to believe it.

A 158 grain cast swc, at 700 fps in a 38 special case from a 357 mag. rifle is better. It kills the raccoon dead in it's tracks, doesn't tear up the hide (or meat if you eat'em), and isn't very loud.
HOWEVER! A 170 grain flat nose gas check cast at 1000 FPS out of a Model 94 Winchester 3030, will also fill the bill from the 3030. This rifle's has been killin coons and other varmints for over 50 years. Been useing them cast bullets for over 30 years. Aren't near as loud as your load, cheaper than your load, have 0 recoil, and won't shoot across the county if your shoot'em out of trees. Coon just don't care for them.

rickt300 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 06, 2009, 05:56:46 AM »

A great coon busting load for the 30-30 is 34.0 grs. of 3031 under the Speer 110 grain Hollowpoint varminter, the cannelured bullet modeled after pistol bullets. However we are focusing on the rifles coon busting abilities. The other varmint I shoot a lot of are the huge feral hogs that live on our lease, some of which go beyond 400 pounds. I give the 35 credit for being better on these than the 30-30.

Dee · « **Reply #36 on:** September 06, 2009, 03:54:50 PM »

My part of Texas has had feral hogs for well over a hundred years. Hogs AIN'T THAT HARD TO KILL. The hog in my avatar that I am sitting over weighed a little over 300 and was a boar hog. It just looks smaller as I am 6'3" and weigh about 255, and my shadow makes this hog which is black to begin with hard to see. I shot him with the rifle I am holding. An M4 with a 52 grain match hollow point from Blackhills. You can only kill anything including a hog "so dead" and the key is always a good shot.
Given both rifles (the 3030 & the 35) both are equal if the shot is good. But that's also true if the rifle was against a 458 win mag. A good shot is a good shot, and a big bullet will not make up for a bad shot.
As far as my favorite hog gun I switch back and forth between the one in my avatar, a Model 92 Winchester clone in 357 magnum, and a 3030 Winchester Model 94 I have owned all of it's 51 years. All will do anything your 35 will do if properly applied. The hard to kill monster hog is a myth we locals find quite amusing, and have for many years. They just aren't hard to kill. I have friends that kill them with knives and spears, and some catch them by hand. Hog tales run rampant around deer, and dove season from the Dallas boys whom lease hunting here, and their a hoot to listen to. We shoot hogs here as pests. I have lived here all my life, and hunt this area for 55 years. I enjoy hunting them and shot them for sport when the came to my deer feeders. Bang flop from a 3030, bang flop from a 22lr.
As far as you coon bustin load for the 3030, it is way more than necessary. I have killed a many in my 60 years with a plain ole 22. Their tuffer than a hog, but not that tuff. Sounds like you just like the testosterone rush when the coon explodes.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #37 on:** September 06, 2009, 04:15:55 PM »

tuff. Sounds like you just like the testosterone rush when the coon explodes.

me too......i bet the 125 might be better

now i gotta' buy another gun....see what ya'll have done

rickt300 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 07, 2009, 06:07:20 AM »

Naw it ain't the testosterone rush, it's all about revenge. I have had to fix more coon related problems than any other varmint caused damage excepting feral hogs. The ones that seem to thrive on our lease near Childress Tx are generally huge and smart too. They are the main cause of feeder malfunction and they get way more corn than I want them to get. I generally hunt the hogs at night as we seldom see them in the daytime. I like the added penetration and larger wound the 35 gives under conditions where the perfect angle can't always be diserned. As to 300 pound hogs this is about average in this area, we seldom see any smaller than that and there are some true monsters around. I mistook a black and white hog for a cow simply because it was so big, it was too late to get a shot off when I realized my mistake.

Dee · « **Reply #39 on:** September 08, 2009, 04:12:24 PM »

I'm around Childress 2 or 3 times a week. I haven't seen any that big where is your lease area? North or south? Are you along the Red River fork? That would be prime for hogs up there. A 400+ lb "feral" hog is rare down here. You get some 300+ ones but they usually don't live long enough here to get much beyond 400. Their here but not many that big. Their teeth wear out before they get that big with their eat anything foraging.

rickt300 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 09, 2009, 07:01:23 AM »

It's in between Paducah and Guthrie which is south of Childress. If I was to pick big hog heaven in that area it would be starting 5 miles west of Benjamin and just about to Seymore. I have seen some huge hogs out in the oat, rye and wheat fields. Look closely at the herds of cows as sometimes there are hogs hanging out with them. An absolutely over run area is where 266 crosses the brazos river between 114 and Goree.

Dee · « **Reply #41 on:** September 09, 2009, 07:04:33 AM »

Ok, now I know where your at. Between Paducah and Matador you can see some good sized hogs, usually in the 200 to 300 size road killed on US70 thru there. All ranch land, with big deer also.

rickt300 · « **Reply #42 on:** September 09, 2009, 07:25:49 AM »

I think the reason the hogs can get pretty big around there are the scrub oak acorns. A lot of these little oak trees will really give a heavy yield and then there are the huge wild plum thickets which also give off a motherload of sour plums. Then figure in the 600-800 pounds of corn I put on the ground for them and I only run two feeders, there must be 40 or so in a 4 mile square area. I have noticed they eat a lot of prickly pear cactus too.

Dee · « **Reply #43 on:** September 09, 2009, 08:56:13 AM »

You could be right about that. It is something I hadn't thought of.

Old Fart · « **Reply #44 on:** September 10, 2009, 04:11:08 PM »

The 30-30 probably offers a lot more options but I just like that old 35.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #45 on:** September 11, 2009, 08:57:35 AM »

Quote from: Old Fart on September 10, 2009, 04:11:08 PM

The 30-30 probably offers a lot more options but I just like that old 35.

+ 1

Swampman · « **Reply #46 on:** September 11, 2009, 10:37:48 AM »

Our FL hogs are pretty hard to kill. If you shoot them like you would a deer they just walk off and you'll never find them.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #47 on:** September 11, 2009, 12:33:24 PM »

A little while ago I had the same chioce to make but with a handgun barrel.
I went with the 30-30 for a couple reasons.
1) every gun shop has a box or two of 30-30.
2) with choices from 55 grains to 170 in factory ammo almost all game is covered. Also I sometimes need lead free ammo and I have a better chance of finding some for a CA pig hunt than I would 358.
3) I limit my self to 150 yards with the open sights but 150 is not the limit of the 30-30.
I am not comfortale with the open sights past 150 and still make a clean center chest hit.
I also say 150 as I think that is where everyone would not have a problem picking up and rifle and making a hit off hand. Past that I do not think the average shooter has enough time shooting that far and will be able to make a hit on the first round on a deer sized animal.
I am sure that the 30-30 will do to game what the 308, or 30-06 will do at the same range once I figure out the drop of the bullet / short rifle combo. If you are to scope your rifle it will do well past the 150 range I set for my self.
4) there are only 2 35 Rem loads and not every shop carries it. If I am out and forget to bring ammo for some silly reasons I may not be able to get any for a hunt.

His lordship. · « **Reply #48 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:52:06 AM »

Thanks for the input guys. It seems to come down to being within reasonable range, shot placement and ammo availability. So, I am leaning for the 30-30. We will see when the time to buy comes.

RaySendero · « **Reply #49 on:** September 12, 2009, 06:02:16 AM »

Quote from: Chris D. on September 12, 2009, 05:52:06 AM

Thanks for the input guys. It seems to come down to being within reasonable range, shot placement and ammo availability. So, I am leaning for the 30-30. We will see when the time to buy comes.

Chris,

Ths for the update. I was wondering which you picked.

Me, I don't own either so didn't post - I just find the 35 Rem more interesting that the 30/30. Now I can add that, 3 few guys at work deer hunt with the 35 - They love it and would not switch (back) to 30/30!

mannyrock · « **Reply #50 on:** September 13, 2009, 10:03:00 AM »

If you don't reload (and the vast majority of hunters don't) or HATE to reload (I hate it), then the .30-30 is the answer. And, I would never worry about stopping a hog with a 170 grain core-lokt at 100 yards or so. There is nothing wrong with the .35 Remington, it is a great cartridge. It is just not the correct solution for everyone (as most .35 owner's tend to believe). :-)

Regards,

Mannyrock

jlchucker · « **Reply #51 on:** September 14, 2009, 02:37:52 AM »

Quote from: mannyrock on September 13, 2009, 10:03:00 AM

If you don't reload (and the vast majority of hunters don't) or HATE to reload (I hate it), then the .30-30 is the answer. And, I would never worry about stopping a hog with a 170 grain core-lokt at 100 yards or so. There is nothing wrong with the .35 Remington, it is a great cartridge. It is just not the correct solution for everyone (as most .35 owner's tend to believe). :-)

Regards,

Mannyrock

Good Morning Mannyrock.

I hunt, and I reload (but reloading isnt my life's work, just a necessity if I want to shoot). I've never hunted hogs--they don't have them where I live. If they did, I'd most likely grab either one of my 30-30's (Winchester or Marlin-I've got both) or one of my two Marlin 35's (depending on whether I wanted the one with a scope or not). You're right about there being nothing wrong with either caliber, buy may I respectfully suggest that the "correct solution for everyone" that you refer to is to own at least one of each.

Brian in FL · « **Reply #52 on:** September 14, 2009, 06:22:08 AM »

I'd go with the .35 Remington. It just packs more of a wallop with its 200 and 220 grain bullets than the .30-30. And, mind you, I'm also a fan of the .30-30, but I believe the .35 is better. JMHO.

mannyrock · « **Reply #53 on:** September 14, 2009, 10:23:28 AM »

Off topic, but although I am a .30-30 fan, I would love to own a nice single shot rifle (handi-rifle, replica sharps, replica Trapdoor, browning falling block, etc.) in .35 Remington. I don't think anyone makes one though. (I don't count the Encore or Contender type carbine. They don't have the old-timey feel.)

Regards,

Mannyrock

45-70.gov · « **Reply #54 on:** September 14, 2009, 11:28:21 AM »

i would like to see the handi buffalo clasic
with the 32 inch barrel and peep sights

in 35 rem and 30-30 and 357 max

set up with proper spin for heavy lead slugs

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #55 on:** September 14, 2009, 12:22:07 PM »

45-70
+1
even 30-40 or 32-20 would be cool.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #56 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:46:18 AM »

30-30 vs .35? I've had a 336 in 30-30 for about five years, killed a few deer with it (most of my deer have fallen to my muzzleloader). A couple seasons ago, a friend loaned me his 336 in .35, I shot a box of ammo and hunted with it - no deer cooperated. Anyhow... the .35 definitely kicked harder than my 30-30. The idea of a bigger hole appealed to me. While I know some say it 'hits harder', I don't think there is any real advantage, practically speaking, in a .35 over a 30-30, and there are some disadvantages. More expensive/harder to find ammo, a little harder on the shoulder... no more reach than 30-30. I considered getting the .35, but decided against it. It would be like getting another 30-30, with hader-kicking, more expensive ammo.

Ultra_Hunter · « **Reply #57 on:** October 27, 2009, 08:31:02 AM »

Is the .35 remington based off of the 30-30 case or is it another cartridge altogether? Sorry for the dumb question but I have never seen a .35 remington cartridge.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #58 on:** October 27, 2009, 09:05:29 AM »

Quote from: Ultra_Hunter on October 27, 2009, 08:31:02 AM

Is the .35 remington based off of the 30-30 case or is it another cartridge altogether? Sorry for the dumb question but I have never seen a .35 remington cartridge.

nothing dumb about the question. They are wholly diff cases, and are not related to each other - the 30-30 is rimmed, the .35 rem is not.

Sensai · « **Reply #59 on:** October 27, 2009, 09:34:51 AM »

Not 30-30 vs 35 Rem, 30-30 & 35 Rem