Author Topic: Whitetail with 458 Lott (Read 5648 times)

startrek1761d · « **on:** June 27, 2009, 01:26:57 PM »

Before you start laughing I intend to load it down, I was considering a Hornady 300 hp at around 2300 fps but would rather shoot a spitzer that will expand in deer size game, I have thought about the new flex tip bullet from Hornady but it has no track record, any suggestions.

GrassLakeRon · « **Reply #1 on:** June 28, 2009, 01:21:01 PM »

No laughing, I shot one 2 years ago with a 375 H&H with about those same numbers you quoted. Don't expect a neck roast if you hit it there.

Good Luck

Ron

cwlongshot · « **Reply #2 on:** June 28, 2009, 01:43:52 PM »

IMHO, 2300fps may be a bit fast for any reg jacketed 45-70 designed bullet. Shoot for 2000fps and you have a better margin for error. the 350 Hornady RN and Speer FP are designed for the 458 and whitetails so this may fit your bill if you dont want to or cannot get to the 2000vel threshold.

I also haven't read of much performance on game with the flex-tip. Read really good things about the accuracy though!!!

jro45 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 29, 2009, 04:11:19 AM »

The 458 Lott is made for elephant and Grizzle Bears But it sure will kill a Deer also.

startrek1761d · « **Reply #4 on:** July 04, 2009, 02:19:32 PM »

I have decided to try the 300 gr barnes.

workin man · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2009, 02:46:41 PM »

I was looking at the TSX 300gr spitzers for loading in my 45-70 H&R single shot. I contacted Barnes via e-mail because I was concerned that they would not expand at levergun velocities (they are intended for 458WM and up). They replied with a minimum recommended muzzle velocity and the range that that would allow for reliable expansion. This was into Ruger No.1 load levels, which I don`t plan on using, so I deleted the response and can`t give you the specifics. Their No.1 starting loads for that bullet start at 2300FPS, but I seem to remember the recommended velocity as a bit higher though. I would drop them an E-mail detailing what you want to do, they are very helpful.

Jim

Grumulkin · « **Reply #6 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:13:43 PM »

Mine works on rabbit so I'm sure it would work on deer.

highwayman · « **Reply #7 on:** July 10, 2009, 04:03:17 PM »

them bunnys are hard to take down

AtlLaw · « **Reply #8 on:** July 10, 2009, 04:08:11 PM »

Not to mention that they charge when wounded...

startrek1761d · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2009, 12:13:17 PM »

I have loaded a few Barnes triple shock 300 grs to approx. 2800 fps in my 458 lott, I will email Barnes to see if I can load them up to 3000 fps, the speer manual shows a 350 gr at 2700 in a regular 458 winchester magnum.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2009, 12:13:27 AM »

killed a couple deer with 500 grain cast rfs (rcbs mold) in the 458 mag at about 1900 fps and it was anti climatic. One hole in one out, very little meat damage and dead deer.

bulletstuffer · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:12:25 AM »

Why load it down

My avatar is a deer shot with a full power 416 rem mag with a 325 grain barnes x shot at about 90 yards. Blew the hair out the end of the antlers

Well maybe he rubbed the velvet to ends himself but I'll never know for sure:D He still ran 30 to 40 yards with a broadside shot half way up the body and right behind the shoulder crease. I did get a complete pass through

Thebear_78 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 18, 2009, 11:14:14 PM »

The speer 350 @ 2760 out of my Lott was a great all arounder and I won't think twice about shooting a deer with it.

Brian T · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:26:42 AM »

how about one of the 300 grain triple shocks

Thebear_78 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 27, 2009, 07:22:47 PM »

I bet you could get one of the new 300gr tipped triple shocks up to close to 3000fps out of a lott.

GeneRector · « **Reply #15 on:** July 27, 2009, 11:43:59 PM »

Howdy! The deer down here in my part of Texas are about 80 to 120lbs. However, in other parts of the US and Canada there are deer that go over 300lbs. There might be an argument for using a 458 Lott loaded down, if you are familiar with it, for the heavier weight deer. Where I live I just imagine a 458 Lott or any other big bore caliber may just "punch a hole" through the deer. It would open a big wound channel for sure. I have always been fascinated with the 458 Win Mag and 458 Lott and would probably get one if I ever planned to go to Africa, etc. I may still go there one day. Just my thoughts. Others appreciated as usual.

pastorp · « **Reply #16 on:** July 28, 2009, 04:07:11 AM »

Gentelmen, IMO there is no need for anything over 30-06 for deer hunting. However if you want to use bigger it dosen't hurt, all it will do in the end is make you flench.

The deer will not be any deader.

Regards,

Sourdough · « **Reply #17 on:** August 08, 2009, 07:27:38 AM »

Why? Because I can. OOOOOOOps, sounds kind of Presidential don't it.

Makes me think of my idea to take a Grizzly with a .17HMR. Just because I can.

Casull · « **Reply #18 on:** August 08, 2009, 08:33:40 AM »

Quote

Makes me think of my idea to take a Grizzly with a .17HMR. Just because I can.

Don't think you could. Couldn't even penetrate the hide, let alone any bone.

kix · « **Reply #19 on:** August 14, 2009, 05:16:11 PM »

Startrek Don't let some of these guys get you down. I regularly hunt hogs in S. Texas with my Ruger 458 and why? Because I've killed them with everything else but I wanted to try something different,something radical,a really big-bore although I'll never go to Africa. It's all about fun and games as far as I'm concerned but if one is happy shooting the same ol' 30/06 for 30 yrs.then I have no problem with that either.I like the post by Sourdough-because I can. Kix

Darrell Davis · « **Reply #20 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:03:23 PM »

As long as the meat is not devistated, there ain't no such thing as Tooooooo dead!

Keep em coming!

CDOC

Tonk · « **Reply #21 on:** October 12, 2009, 05:53:58 PM »

I don't let my big bores simply gather dust in the vault! Indeed not, I take them on coyote hunts in the wooded area's were I live and also have shot whitetail deer with them (.458 Win mag & .470-Capstick) down loaded with Hornady XTP pistol bullets, slowing down the velocity. They worked great and results produced outstanding bloodtrails, even though they just didn't go very far period.

Tonk · « **Reply #22 on:** December 05, 2009, 01:10:00 PM »

I have shot a couple of deer and several hogs with my .458 Win mag using (#4500 HP) 300 grain HP bullet, velocity was around the 2000-fps range as I remember. The bullet was a Hornady going clean through the deer at 45 yards, leaving a large exit hole.....dead deer. Those hogs were shot with a 350 grain round nose bullet going 2050-fps, it penetrates deeper and stays together better compared to the 300 grn HP bullet.

doeroller · « **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2009, 06:36:14 AM »

I have used the 300gr Hornady HP out of a 45-70 Win 1885 at over 2400fps. The bullet did fine. The Barnes 300gr SSP bullet also works and kills fine. The Barnes bullet did not shoot as well at top end velocity. But the 325 FTX Hornday bullet seems to work very fine at all velocity levels capable out of a high pressure rated 45-70 gun. I have shot a few deer with mine and bullet performance is all anyone could as of a bullet. Try the FTX full throttle, you'll be suprised.

HuntAway · « **Reply #24 on:** December 09, 2009, 01:28:12 PM »

I've killed ruffed grouse, and hare's with a 30-30, 30.06, 300WinMag and 270's. I've also killed deer and a few bear with all of the above. Bullet placement my friend, is all I have to say.

HA

Black Eagle · « **Reply #25 on:** December 23, 2009, 06:17:53 AM »

I use the 450 grain Swift A-Frame in my .458 WM for everything from prairie dogs to elk and I don't load it down. The bullet expands nicely and doesn't lose much weight in thin skinned game. It's also a spitzer. But, at over a buck a bullet, they aren't cheap. In my .458, they also shoot within a MOA.