Author Topic: caned or not ? (Read 2795 times)

yukondog · « **on:** June 28, 2009, 04:41:54 PM »

I'm thinking about going on a hog hunt,never done a pay hunt before but the wife say's she wants to do this for me so I am not going to argue with her.I dont know anything about these kind of hunts,we have hogs here in FL. and I hunt them,but what I'm looking for is a nice european wall hanger.The place I was looking at is wilderness hunting lodge I now in order to have european/russian your going to have a fence and I dont mind that so much as long as its a some what a fare chase type place. Does anyone know anything about this place or can recomend anothere place. Thank's for any help

drdougrx · « **Reply #1 on:** June 28, 2009, 05:08:32 PM »

Hey Yukon,

I've not hunted there but I've heard that it's a nice place. Just some advice. Go when it's cooler or cold, you'll get a better hide and possibly a bigger animal. Make sure you are clear with the preserve what it is you are looking for and DON'T shoot the first boar you see. Have fun and post some pics!!!

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** June 28, 2009, 05:35:20 PM »

Fact of life:

If ya want a Russian boar ya gotta go to Russia. If ya want a European boar ya gotta go somewhere in Europe. If not it's not what they claim it merely looks somewhat like one.

I get so tired of hearing this crap about a Russian or European boar when ALL the hogs in the US and for that matter Canada too are likely a minimum of a dozen or more generations away from what was imported to here and most far far more than a dozen generations removed.

Bottom line there ain't no Russian or European boars in the US or Canada and anyone who tells you they have them are either: 1. mistaken or 2. a bald faced liar.

Now sure there are places that have hogs that still have much the same appearance in general as the original European stock but being similar in appearance is all. I do not think there is any concrete evidence any boar ever imported into this country actually came from the country of Russia. My best research indicates the originals supposedly from there weren't actually but were instead from somewhere else in Europe.

Dee · « **Reply #3 on:** June 28, 2009, 05:48:32 PM »

The only real way to test the boar to see if it's actually a "RUSSIAN BOAR", is to get it drunk on Vodka, and see if it grunts in Russian.

If not, then it's likely a REDNECK AMERICAN beer drinkin "HOG"! tryin to impersonate a Russian.

jmayton · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2009, 07:02:18 PM »

The difference between a Russian Boar, European Boar, and an American Feral Hog is geography. Hogs are hogs. If they're wild, then they're a mixed breed animal. Ferals here begin looking an awful like some Russian Boars that I've seen in just a few generations. The further you go north, the more this seems to be true. You can get some great trophies if you take your time and be patient. . . It's just not a Russian or European, it'll be an American feral. Best of luck!

yukondog · « **Reply #5 on:** June 29, 2009, 02:47:21 PM »

Thanks for the fast reply's.I do relise that any ''European" is going to be a hybread. I gues what I should have said was I would like a nice wall hanger,what we have around here run on the small size if you get one around 150# your doing good. Dee I like your way of thinking.Be'ing that I'm a beer drinking red neck maybe I need to get drunk with it what till it grunts in russian than shoot it. LOL

Dee · « **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2009, 03:55:36 PM »

Just don't get drunk with him in thick brush. He'll show ya what them cutters are for.

jmayton · « **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2009, 04:55:39 PM »

I saw what could have been a wall hanger about an hour and a half ago, but it got spooked and we couldn't get a shot. Never got close enough to hear if it was grunting Russian or not.

Hopalong7 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2009, 05:21:41 AM »

I just completed my first paid hunt for wild boar. It was also my first hunt for wild boar. Being from Virginia I knew nothing about them so it was quite a learning experience. My hunt was for free ranging(no fences of any kind) but baited hogs. Lot's of folks assume that because an animal is baited it becomes easy and automatic. Well guess what??? After two full days of hunting(4 of us hunting) none had a shot at hog of any kind. Our host and guide spend a lot of time, effort, and money to put us on a hog in an area(Chesterfield, SC) that judging by the sign was eat up hogs. I had one apparently good hog blow by me going into my stand one morning before good shootin' light and that was the only one sighted. I had also looked at Wilderness Hunting Lodge myself but met these folks in person and liked the way they talked and it was a little cheaper too. These folks hunt year round and also hunt deer in the fall and turkey in the spring, but they told us that the best time to take a hog(meaning the most likely time to get a shot at one) is from June thru August. You have to be prepared to fight the heat and the SKEATERS!!! Our morning hunts weren't bad and one evening hunt was cooled by a nearby thunderstorm, the other was HOT! Their reassoning is that hogs don't sweat and have no way to cool off other than get up and go to the mud wallow at least some during the day. Other than that they are very nocturnal. I enjoyed my experience very much and hope to do it again soon, but it WAS a hunt and NOT a shoot which to me was a good thing.
GOOD SHOOTIN', Walt

dukkillr · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2009, 05:32:36 AM »

There is a section here at GB for the guys who like to shoot fenced in animals. You might swing by there and ask them for ideas...

My limited experience with hog hunting is all free-range, in Texas, and in the late winter or early spring.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2009, 05:52:18 AM »

From what I understand about the wild hog population there are many different varieties of pigs. The earliest were brought to Florida by the Spanish that managed to excape and have been here for almost 500 years. There were some European hogs imported and let loose with standard market hogs in Tenn. They have called them Russians but More likely they came from Germany. I forget the mans name but he was hunting in Germany and liked the wild boars and had some imported to his land in Tenn. But that does not matter. Add to those numbers additional hogs that have excaped. Over the years the US has had two types of pig that were grown commercialy. The Lard hogs that were bred to get big and fat and produce lots of fat that was used in everything and the meat was a by product to the market hog that was long and lean and made lots of bacon. The Market hog is what we have most now. It is also why your pork chops are not as greasy as they were when we were kids. These different varieties have excaped to mate with what ever is out there from either wild stock or feral domestic to what have you and that is why we can see some huge monsters in some areas. European Boar mixes with Lard hog and Market hog and add lots of food and time to get big and you get PigZillia. I'm sure that some where some of those Vietnamese Pot bellied pigs that were all the rage 10 or more years ago have gotten away and are going to end up in the gene pool.

Graybeard · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:55:34 AM »

Free Range hunts more often than not result in no hog taken home. Oh sure you get into them big time some times and might bag several but free range hogs are no more a sure thing than free range deer. You'll be successful some times but unsuccessful more often. Heck I've not even SEEN a hog half the time on free range hunts I've made much less killed a hog.

jmayton · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2009, 04:14:56 PM »

GB, come to Llano county, TX. We've got lots (both deer and hogs). They may not be big, but we've got lots of them.

Graybeard · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:54:00 PM »

So have other counties in Texas I've hunted but I still didn't kill one every time I went out for them.

As much as I enjoy hunting in Texas it's a LONG way from home and I don't get to go that often. We'll get back out one of these days.

Hopalong7 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 01, 2009, 12:39:35 AM »

If it was always easy and automatic I doubt we'd have enough interest to even be here talking about it.

jmayton · « **Reply #15 on:** July 01, 2009, 03:55:27 AM »

Quote from: Hopalong7 on July 01, 2009, 12:39:35 AM

If it was always easy and automatic I doubt we'd have enough interest to even be here talking about it.

Truth.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 01, 2009, 04:20:21 AM »

Truth be told ALL hogs whether domesic or wild are European/Russian swine. The hogs as we know them were all domesicated from the European/Russian strain. Our porkers were bread from this line because of the large litter size and the wide range of climates they cansurvive in. Hybridisation and selective breeding has produced what we have today, but they are genetically all the same.

alsaqr · « **Reply #17 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:06:14 AM »

I hunt free ranging hogs in an area that is heavily populated with hogs and kill at least one hog every third time out. I sometimes get three or four at a time. That is much cheaper than paying some guy to hunt on his high fence "ranch." Lot more fun too.

One very popular OK hog hunting "ranch" gets its hogs from trappers. That place is 170 acres- just a little bigger than a quarter section.

S.S. · « **Reply #18 on:** July 02, 2009, 01:54:02 PM »

The only place I can find that supposedly imported true Russian Boars was on Cumberland Island
off the coast of Georgia. The biggest hog I have ever seen in the wild was on that island and the
hair between its shoulders and ears was all sticking straight up. Some of the bloodline must still be there
after a couple hundred years. I was on a quota deer hunt with a .45 caliber sidehammer loaded with a
round ball. I just held my breath and let him pass hoping he would not see me. He kept jerking his nose up in the air sniffing. He smelled me but never saw me...

Zeeks · « **Reply #19 on:** July 03, 2009, 08:38:33 PM »

How about Bear Mountain Quest ( Raging Russians) in Michigan. What kinda hogs do you think they are?
Heck, any hog is a winner to me. There must be over 20 outfitters in Fla that have hogs. I guess its up to the money and what your lookin for. Backstraps & sausage taste great to me.

drdougrx · « **Reply #20 on:** July 04, 2009, 05:39:24 PM »

For me...it all depends on what you are looking for. I don't have any hogs anywhere near where I live in the NE...at least not yet! I hunt/shoot high fence because it's convenient and fun and relaxing and I can go and come in a weekend and not have to get on yet another freek'n plane (Logan Airport/Boston). I wouldn't do a hog hunt that required a flight unless there was some other reason that I needed to be near the hunting area and did a detour.

Also, I don't mind taking an animal that I can eat right up to the oink! And, the place I go is well over 2k acres, the food is good, the accomodations are comfortable and the people have been really nice. Come to think of it, it wasn't much different than the northern maine black bear hunt I went on last Sept....except for the 7 hour ride!!!!

S.B. · « **Reply #21 on:** July 06, 2009, 03:34:22 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on June 30, 2009, 11:55:34 AM

Free Range hunts more often than not result in no hog taken home. Oh sure you get into them big time some times and might bag several but free range hogs are no more a sure thing than free range deer. You'll be successful some times but unsuccessful more often. Heck I've not even SEEN a hog half the time on free range hunts I've made much less killed a hog.

That's why they call it "hunting" isn't it?
Steve

billy_56081 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 06, 2009, 03:38:55 AM »

The easiest hog hunting I have had was free range on the king ranch

Dee · « **Reply #23 on:** July 06, 2009, 01:19:28 PM »

Quote from: S.B. on July 06, 2009, 03:34:22 AM

Quote from: Graybeard on June 30, 2009, 11:55:34 AM
Free Range hunts more often than not result in no hog taken home. Oh sure you get into them big time some times and might bag several but free range hogs are no more a sure thing than free range deer. You'll be successful some times but unsuccessful more often. Heck I've not even SEEN a hog half the time on free range hunts I've made much less killed a hog.

That's why they call it "hunting" isn't it?
Steve

I was thinkin the same thing Steve. Free range hogs mean HUNTIN. Canned hogs mean FINDIN. So if it's free range hogs your goin HUNTIN. If it's penned or canned hogs, your goin FINDIN.

I think it would be cheaper to go to a hog farmer, and buy a hog, and then take him home and then shoot'em. In fact. I am positive it would be cheaper.

drdougrx · « **Reply #24 on:** July 06, 2009, 04:38:55 PM »

boy....would I get in trouble shoot'n a hog in my back yard.....that's all the neighbors need to see.

Dee · « **Reply #25 on:** July 06, 2009, 04:55:51 PM »

drdougrx, tell'em it was rabid, and that it was "you or him". Then you can start a thread here of GBO, and give us all the details about your perilous FINDIN trip in your back yard.

jmayton · « **Reply #26 on:** July 07, 2009, 05:09:05 AM »

drdougrx, if you really want to, Dee or I could catch a couple of hogs to bring to you and tie 'em up in your back yard. You might even make some money charging your neighbors to "hunt" your wild hogs!

dukkillr · « **Reply #27 on:** July 07, 2009, 05:51:42 AM »

Quote from: Dee on July 06, 2009, 04:55:51 PM

drdougrx, tell'em it was rabid, and that it was "you or him". Then you can start a thread here of GBO, and give us all the details about your perilous FINDIN trip in your back yard.

An old lady was killed by one of those semi-domestic sheep that people like to "hunt" a few months back...
http://skinnymoose.com/dailylimit/2009/03/09/reason-to-love-high-fence-killing-2975/

drdougrx · « **Reply #28 on:** July 07, 2009, 03:11:26 PM »

Awe...gee..thanks you guys...I could really use the money since two of my three kids are in College and will be for the next three years....

I only wish I could shoot...er...hunt like you guys...git in that ole pickemup truck...ride them roads...shoot...er hunt them deer....

Sorry...got carried away..really I'm just a bit perplexed (pi**ed) because of my day though not helped by your (I hope) good natured needling.

In truth, I have neither the time nor the money to do the wilderness hunts that I used to and won't for at least the next few years. If you can go to hunting areas and do it right...whatever that means...i'm envious and b est of luck to you.

Twenty years, and a dozen or more whitetails (mostly does), trying to avoid the Orange Army here in the NE was about all that I care to deal with. Sure...there's all kinds of deer here in the north east, just look outside my kitchen window on any given day..and turkey...and rabbit and coyote and the occasional black bear. But...what's the point...I could travel 10 or more miles in almost any direction to stalk animals that are wild and would pretty much be able to kill one, if I could get access....just like in my backyard. Not much fun for me I'm afraid.

I did moose in newfi, shot a 40" bull within the 1st 24 hours and saw another 12 bulls (all shooters and at least 20 cows), also about 70 caribou and a couple black bears (didn't shoot one though...seems the outfitter neglected to inform me of the cash trophy fee even though I spend several hundred on the license). I've also hunted mulie and antelope in montana...filled out with a dandy buck (156B&C) also within 24hrs and a 13" goat within 3 days and a doe of each species as well. Then there's the bear hunts...two in canada and one in maine (killed one on each trip, Sept. 2008 was the last one)...nice ..relaxing...baited...bang...flop....yawn.....3 days of sitting and then 10 seconds later.....

Went to eastern canada (NB) Rielly Brook and Plaster Rock in Victoria County for 9 years and killed a few 200lb whitetails..tight knarly racks...makes me remember that I need to scan these hunts into my FOTKI site.

Quite frankly... for me...most game isn't worth the aggravation of travel and overnights and hotels and car rentals and out of state license fees and frieght. A good buddy of mine did a 3 day buffalo hunt (bison) hunt on some reservation in ND...they hauled horses out to the prairie, saddled them up, rode for an hour, found the herd...bang....$3,500 for the 3 day hunt, $700 for the flights, $400 for the car rental, $300 for 5 nights in hotel, $500 for the butcher and I think...$500 or so to ship home...and then there's the taxidermy..... and the 10% tip to the guide. My buff was from Vt, $1,800 for the animal, $300 to butcher, $100 combined tip for the guide and kitchen staff and in the truck and home in 3 days. I dunno...can't be worth it sometimes....

I'm not retired and I have a growing family...so...going out everyday of shotgun, rifle, blackpowder or bow season is out of the question. Wish it weren't....

So for now...I'll do what I do, eat what I shoot and get the hell away from my blackberry, multiple phones, 3 hour commute in impossible Boston traffic and not judge what you do because it's legal and you seem to like it...

Edited rant over.....

But....Duk...you gotta see the turkeys in my back yard.........

Dee · « **Reply #29 on:** July 07, 2009, 04:56:23 PM »

drdougrx, you oughta see the turkeys that pass by my house sometimes. Orange hair, pierced nosed, 20 year olds with skateboards. Come to think of it, real turkeys are smarter.