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Offline Longknife 76

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Need an estimate
« on: July 04, 2009, 04:53:45 AM »
I received a Sharps replica rifle via UPS which was damaged and need to get an estimate for repairs. The poured pewter nosecap was gone and missing, doesn't look like the wood was damaged but I am sure the fore end will need refinished and I would like the butt refinished also to ensure a good match on color and finish. Please E-mail me with an estimate. Thanks, Ed

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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2009, 06:24:32 AM »
How did UPS make the nose cap disappear?
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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2009, 06:50:52 AM »

  Why not just get another nosecap? If its a popular replica, made in Italy or otherwise, this should not be a problem.

   A few years ago, I had a Remington Rolling Block replica, made by Pietta.  It came with a detailed owner's manual, including a parts list, prices, address for spare parts, and a phone number to call.

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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2009, 06:52:37 AM »

  P.S.- In looking at the photos, the finish on the forend looks really good.  Why does it need to be refinished?

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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2009, 07:59:32 AM »
I assume he thought the nose cap would have to be replaced the ay originals were and that is casting in place.. The wood where the cap was shows no sign of such activity and I believe they use a precast part and pin(or screw) it in position. A call to the manufacturer would be the easiest place to start. If a cap were cast in place the forearm would indeed need refinishing as the heat would surely damage the present finish..
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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2009, 06:58:37 AM »
How did UPS make the nose cap disappear?


There was a huge hole in the box!


  Why not just get another nosecap? If its a popular replica, made in Italy or otherwise, this should not be a problem.

   A few years ago, I had a Remington Rolling Block replica, made by Pietta.  It came with a detailed owner's manual, including a parts list, prices, address for spare parts, and a phone number to call.

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This gun was "custom manufactured by AMT in the "70's, the same ones that produce those auto pistols and no longer in business,.

  P.S.- In looking at the photos, the finish on the forend looks really good.  Why does it need to be refinished?

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I assume he thought the nose cap would have to be replaced the ay originals were and that is casting in place.. The wood where the cap was shows no sign of such activity and I believe they use a precast part and pin(or screw) it in position. A call to the manufacturer would be the easiest place to start. If a cap were cast in place the forearm would indeed need refinishing as the heat would surely damage the present finish..



This is a poured on cap, you can see the pewter pins in the stock and the holes in the end of the stock that were supposed to secure the cap. I am sure the finish would burn off during the process plus the final shaping of the poured cap would further damage the wood . Now all the questions are answered, does anyone here know how to pour a cap and refinish a stock?????????

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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2009, 10:21:06 AM »
Yes I know how to pour a cap. The questions were meant to help you to understand that most likely if the cap HAD been poured in place it would still be there.. also there would still be scorched areas under the cap..not finish as there seems to be. Sometimes anger is better replaced with introspection. To pour a cap notch the wood to provide a bit more mechanical locking and create a form or sheet aluminum, heavy aluminum foil works well(couple of layers). melt the material and pour into the mold. Shape with files and rasps, sandpaper and steel wool to finish,.,. Or call the parts houses and contact AMT (I beleiove they're still in business) and simply apply the new cap. Re-finishing has been discussed herre several times and a search will turn up several techniquies. I use TruOil and remove the old finish with heat and scrapers. sand very lightly to remove remains of finish and steel wool to polish. Apply oil with hand and steel wool lightly between coats..
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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2009, 12:45:26 PM »
Gun nut, how do you explain all those holes in the stock? They were drilled there to hold the poured on cap in place. They are not screws or nails or studs, and are very soft--like--um--PEWTER. I have the gun right in front of me, I see the pewter studs, I see the drilled holes, and the cap is missing, I can't explain why its gone, just that it is gone and it WAS a poured cap. By the way, I also know how to pour a cap and refinish wood, I just wanted a professional opinion on what this might cost to get reimbursed for damage. Also AMT is out of business, I copied this from the web:

AMT started in California by Harry Stanford and they were mfg in Irwindale, ElMonte, Arcadia, and Covena. AMT did go thru several name changes as IAI, OMC, etc. for whatever reason. IT should also be noted that many believe Ruger sued and won a lawsuit against AMT over the AMT 22 Lightning semi-auto pistol (very similiar to the Ruger MK1) when, in fact, Mr. Ruger did not want to injure another firearm mfg so they worked out an agreement so AMT continued to mfg the AMT Lightning pistol.

Toward their 'end' in California, the name was changed to Galena Enterprises, Inc. Shortly thereafter they moved their operation to Sturgis South Dakota but went bankrupt about a year or so later. The actual bankruptcy sale bill is posted on the web site at www.glossover.co.uk/amt/ to view.

High Standard acquired the rights and equipment to mfg and market the AMT line of firearms. They are now in production and the line currently being produced is shown on line at: www.highstandard.com. Parts for those models currently being mfg are available from High Standard.

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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2009, 09:38:20 PM »
I would suppose they were attachment points for the nosecap. The lack of scortch marks and the finish under the tenon for the cap still says the cap was applied, not poured in place. Try contacting parts suppliers. Someone bought any parts left over from the production run.. Or just have someone pour a cap. The standard rate for gunsmithing is a highly variable thing. Varying greatly by local. I would guess $50 to $100 per hour locally if some one here would undertake this. Pewter I have no price for but you should be able to find that out from Dixie. Figure several hours for the cap and a couple more for the refinish..  Of course if you do it yourself you might make a tidy reward..
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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2009, 06:38:01 AM »
QUOTE "Of course if you do it yourself you might make a tidy reward.."

Thats the plan, but I am still having a hard time getting an estimate, in writing, to submit...........



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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2009, 11:05:08 AM »
As odd as it seems I was in a gun shop today and they had the clone of your rifle on the sale rack.  45-70, ($850.00) it does indeed have a poured end cap, you can see where it has been sanded to fit the wood.  Interesting thing, I am wondering if it isn't made from creosafe with it's low melting point, sure looks like it to me.  Larry
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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2009, 12:40:12 PM »
I'd ask Dixie, they will probably high ball it, and they should since they are one of the "premier BP gun companys in the US"
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Re: Need an estimate
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2009, 04:12:51 AM »



Guess what the UPS man found rolling around in the back of his truck???? Yep, a batterd and cracked poured pewter nose cap!!!!!!!!