Rebarrel for a Savage 110

[redfoxtoo]

I have a 30-06 Sav 110 that I bought new in the '60s. I picked up a new take-off for it last year as a replacement. The original barrel has a recess milled into the chamber to enclose the boltface. The new one does not. Can I have it bored out like the old barrel?

[trotterlg]

Yes you can, however the chamber will have to be cut deeper also.  This Remington type of breach face was done on the 110's until about 1970.  They also have a different bolt head with a nose ahead of the locking lugs.  Larry

[Davemuzz]

You can.....but why would you want to?

[trotterlg]

IF you don't cut the recess in the breach you will end up with about 7 less threads holding the barrel in the frame, also the front of the bolt will not be supported like it was origionally in the rifle, the bolt head is a lot longer on this type of rifle than it is on the newer ones.  It also has a different type of extractor, A clip type as I recall.  I had a 22-250 built like that.  Larry

[Davemuzz]

Larry,

I see what you are saying.

I'm just asking here. Purely from an "academic" standpoint. But if you were to swap out boltheads (and I don't know if a new bolthead would fit the stock one) to a new style one, (without the nose ahead of the locking lugs) could you then just go with a "standard" new barrel swap?

Thanks

Dave

[trotterlg]

I think there is probably a simple way to go to the new type barrel and bolt head.  If I still had the rifle I would probably have tried it.  Also, these have an intermediate length action, not short and not long.  Larry

[MZ5]

Also, these have an intermediate length action, not short and not long.

This conflicts with the information at Savageshooters.com, which can be read here:
http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/topic,3883.0.html
What's the screw spacing you're talking about that makes you think it's an 'intermediate length' action?

There's also a very brief discussion (with pictures) of the old bolt head style vs. new here:
http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/topic,8474.0.html

[trotterlg]

If I had the rifle still I would measure it for you, I can tell you that it is slightly longer than a 10 short action and shorter than a 110 action.   Neither the 10 or modern 110 stock will fit a pre-1970 savage action.  Larry

[MZ5]

Hmm...  I knew that old actions won't (or won't always?) fit in newly-made stocks on account of trigger group differences, but you're saying that the screw spacing (action length) was also different?

[trotterlg]

I can think of about 5 different screw spacings.  Early intermediate action, 10 length and 110 length, then the center feed vers the staggared feed mags and then the detachable magazine feed spacing, add to that the target action with 3 screws and you will have a hard time figuring out which stock will fit what.  Probably the most common are the staggared magazine feeds for long and short actions, these are not used now, but a lot were produced.  Now it is a center feed magazine which is not attached to the action like the staggared feed was.  Larry

[MZ5]

Hmm... Sounds like you had or are thinking of one of the fairly recent short actions?  The short action Savages have had at least 3 different screw spacings, although only actually 2 action lengths.  The link I provided above gives a good summary as to when the various changes were made and why.  To the best of my knowledge, however, the long action Savage has always used the same action length and screw spacing of 5 1/16".

The staggered-feed mags actually were/are still used for 223 Rem and 204 Ruger in the 'standard' rifles.  Don't know why, but they didn't move those to center-feed mags when they changed everything else.  They may have moved them by now.  I don't know as I don't follow Savages so closely now as I once did.

Anyway, to the OP:  The links and website I provided are the best one-stop source I know of for specific and detailed information, but basically you could probably make the change, but it wouldn't be worth it.

[trotterlg]

However the link to the website costs you money to view.  I used to belong to the SavageShooters site until they started charging money to post.  Larry

[Davemuzz]

You can belong to the Savage site for free, but that gives you limited access. The cost to join for full access is $12 per year. That gives you full access to the forums, and the buy\sell for the vendors and the regular guys.

A web site host has to fund his cost somehow. This stuff ain't free. So, you either have to get enough advertising, have enough forum users to donate, or just charge a user fee.

Dave

[MZ5]

However the link to the website costs you money to view.

No, it does not.  I had not realized that you'd have to sign up for a no-charge/free account to access the FAQs, though.  I can't recall whether they believe they've changed the user agreement such that I'm not supposed to quote text from their site or not.

In any event, the long-action length and screw spacing has always been the same, from 1958 to the present.  There have been different magazine lengths over time depending upon cartridge and timeframe, but the screw spacing and action length is all the same.

There have been 3 short-action screw spacings that I know of, though only 2 action lengths.  The first screw spacing ran from 1959 - 1987, the second from 1998 - 2006, and the third from 2006 on with the center-feed magazines.  The actual action length of the second and third short-action screw spacing is the same.  They just had to move a screw to clear the new magazine and release mechanism.  Note the time gap from 1987 - 1998; only long actions were produced during that time.  Short-action cartridges had a block in the back of the magazine and a bolt-travel stop to make them function like short actions.

[bcp]

IF you don't cut the recess in the breach you will end up with about 7 less threads holding the barrel in the frame, also the front of the bolt will not be supported like it was origionally in the rifle, the bolt head is a lot longer on this type of rifle than it is on the newer ones.  It also has a different type of extractor, A clip type as I recall.  I had a 22-250 built like that.  Larry

I just help disassemble an old 110 like that, to remove a stuck case.  The recess does not support the bolt head like the Remington 700.  The recess had about 1/8 inch or more clearance around the bolt head.   

Bruce

[LHitchcox]

I would recommend selling the barrel you have and then calling Numrich to find out if they still have barrels that will fit. BTW, does your barrel have a bulge left on it for the rear sight to sit in?

[Three44s]

And I would suggest the opposite:

Sell the older rifle unless you are partial to it ...... and buy a newer 110 to go with your take off barrel.

The big change came in '65 and the basics of the long actions have remained basically the same .....

Do your home work over at the Savage Forum ...... at your own risk to your pocket book .....

........ it's a TINKERER's DREAM COME TRUE!!!

Three 44s