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Thoughts about freedom.
« on: July 08, 2009, 04:40:09 AM »
While I was on one of my bike rides, I got to thinking about how we have any chance of preserving our liberty.  I may have heard it somewhere, so it probably isn't an original thought, but when we the people fear our government more than it fears us--we're going to lose it (our freedom).  I am now more scared of our government than I am of terrorists.
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Re: Thoughts about freedom.
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2009, 05:40:09 AM »
me too. eddie
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Re: Thoughts about freedom.
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2009, 05:48:05 AM »
I fear that they do not have any respect for "us". From things I have seen in the past 15 years, I understand why they have no respect ! "We" do nothing in response to what they do but bitch!
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Re: Thoughts about freedom.
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2009, 08:07:50 AM »
I don't fear'em, I just have no use for'em. They are what they are, and the people of America will not stand up against them. Most of us will be on our own when confronted by the government, and we will be confronted on a case by case basis while the rest of America watches, and does nothing. Of that I am confident. We individually will be betrayed in my case, as that crazy ole man that wouldn't give up his guns.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2009, 08:15:36 AM »
I fear they will try to take more freedom not fear them . I fear what will come if that happens .
Dee , didn't Ben F. say it best " we hang togather or we will surley be hanged  " or some such qoute .
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2009, 09:23:55 AM »
If we do not hang together, we will surely hang seperately. Ben Franklin

Was that what you were looking for? And by the way it is the truth. People nowadays do not disappoint me any longer, as I expect very little from them in the first place. As a police officer for 20 years I have seen a few times when I could use immediate help in a situation, only have passersby WATCH. And other times help came from the most unexpected folks. I once had 15 year old help me arrest his father whom had gone off the deep end. We were making large holes with our bodies, in the sheet rock in a very small, and very crowded bedroom. The 15 year old started out by screaming at his father to stop fighting me, and when that did not work, he physically helped me, while all the while crying like a baby. I suspect he went on to grow into a REAL MAN. He stepped up when most would not.
 I retired 15 years ago, and I see today's public in many ways worse. The apathetic American of today tends in the ways of freedom to be IGNORANT of what is necessary to maintain it, and the youth are helpless imbeciles more interested in their skateboards, and game boys. If you told one of them to build a camp fire, they would freeze to death from not having the vaguest idea of where to start.
The voter of today THINKS he can settle for less, and MAYBE get more from a substandard candidate. The lessor of two evils, I believe is what it is called today. A hundred years ago it was called STUPIDITY!
We sirs, are individually on our own I think. ;)
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Re: Thoughts about freedom.
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2009, 09:58:03 AM »
I don't think terrorists could even begin to have the wide-ranging impact that this current administration will, and the terrorists will probably be included in that somehow. Sheeple who voted for "change" then sit around on their butts waiting for the handouts scare me, because I know who will be supporting them. This current group will sacrifice our country to the hilt for personal gain, even more so than any in the past.
My wife says I'm angry all the time. Hell yes I am, I don't like the direction things are headed and my 11yr old daughter and 3 yr old son will pay the price. Best I can do is equip them to handle the crap they might face. I turn 40 this year and I guess I'm too young to think this way, but I take consolation in believing it's still the right, moral and just way.
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Re: Thoughts about freedom.
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2009, 10:04:00 AM »
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I am now more scared of our government than I am of terrorists.

No actually I think you aren't you are just misunderstandingd WHO the terrorists are. The folks running our government today ARE THE TERRORISTS. They are just trying to convince us it's someone else.


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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 04:13:01 PM »
For the first time in my life I fear my own govt. POWDERMAN.  :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Re: Thoughts about freedom.
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2009, 05:19:32 PM »
I don't fear'em, I just have no use for'em. They are what they are, and the people of America will not stand up against them. Most of us will be on our own when confronted by the government, and we will be confronted on a case by case basis while the rest of America watches, and does nothing. Of that I am confident. We individually will be betrayed in my case, as that crazy ole man that wouldn't give up his guns.


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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2009, 02:31:15 AM »
Dee that's it , thanks !
Now if you want to start a organization  for those in support of freedom you might have more hanging with you than you expect .
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Re: Thoughts about freedom.
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2009, 03:20:22 AM »
I do not fear the government.  I fear the people who cling so tightly to the tit of the government.  It's those people who have allowed this nation to get into the state we're in.  We all know the type. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2009, 03:26:04 AM »
it was the bleeding heart lib who offered the tit not those doing the suckling that caused the problem !
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2009, 03:31:42 AM »
I surely appreciate everyones take on this, but I hope you all get the greater point and that is that our government should fear us--no matter which flavor happens to be in the seat.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2009, 03:36:22 AM »
Yep ,
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2009, 04:01:11 AM »
Someone once said: Fear not the leader, fear his followers. Truer words never spoken.

SHOOTALL, such an organization would be ideal under certain cirstances as Franklin was a visionary. Men back then were in some ways different, and not so much enamored with "visual testosterone".
 I for one am more about quietly going about my business of taking care of my business, while some are full of "grandiose proclamations" of war and rebellion. These men will be the first to receive a visit I think.
I do not want to fight, but rather be left alone. I do not think that will happen in the end, but why invite it?
These government folks are gonna do, what their gonna do in regards to our country, and we can as a minority do little to stop it. I believe that small groups of men can assemble, but to open it up to the general population is inviting "loose cannons" to unwittingly invite trouble.
When I was much younger, I once witnessed a younger man constantly badger a slightly older man, whom was by the way larger than the younger man. This badgering went on for weeks in the shop I worked in, and I often wondered why the larger man did not simply squash the smaller younger man. Then one afternoon with many standing around, the younger man went too far. The older, and larger man, simply turned around, looked the little punk in the eye and said: Don't tell me what your gonna do! Do it, and then tell me what ya done! He called him out, with two sentences that were neither offensive, or inflammatory. It never happened again.
In my past 20 year career, I was in a position that I had to take on all comers. I didn't like it, but to back down for any reason other than being wrong, was to end one's career. I learned early, not to make rash statements. Warn the opponent of pending consequences, but never threaten. Threatening to kick someones butt, is much different than getting it done. If it is someone you don't know, you may or may not get it done. Things are not always as they appear, and not all go by yours or mines rules. My point is that I pick my fights when I can, and have a plan when given time. I don't however let folks with less experience pick them for me, because they are unable to control themselves. Present company excluded, I am not pointing fingers here. I hope my ramble has made my point and not confused anyone here.
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Re: Thoughts about freedom.
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2009, 04:02:35 AM »
it was the bleeding heart lib who offered the tit not those doing the suckling that caused the problem !

SHOOTALL, which bleeding heart lib do you mean. The Democratic one, or the Republican one?
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2009, 04:20:46 AM »
"FEAR NOT, LEST YE BE FEARED"  "FREEDOM IS NOT FREE"  "UNITED WE STAND,DEVIDED WE FALL"  these are all good sayings but without US it means nothing, you can't even get the members here to agree and cooperate on things so how would you make it happen when you needed it to. it's sad to say but I see most of you as worthless because of this.

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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2009, 04:24:30 AM »
"FEAR NOT, LEST YE BE FEARED"  "FREEDOM IS NOT FREE"  "UNITED WE STAND,DEVIDED WE FALL"  these are all good sayings but without US it means nothing, you can't even get the members here to agree and cooperate on things so how would you make it happen when you needed it to. it's sad to say but I see most of you as worthless because of this.

Does this mean you won't be paying your dues to the new defense club we're getting together? ;)
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2009, 06:40:37 AM »
Dee didn't know there was really a difference
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2009, 07:48:29 AM »
I don't think there really ever was any difference, but it seems that rak55 seems to have it down, and since we're pretty much worthless, I'm gonna leave it to his infinite abilities to solve it all. ;D
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2009, 07:50:16 AM »
That's fantastic !
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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2009, 08:08:33 AM »
My wife says I'm angry, this guys says I'm worthless...what the...? :o

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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2009, 08:12:34 AM »
see what I mean.

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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2009, 08:14:47 AM »
Dee,
How much were those dues?
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« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2009, 08:18:17 AM »
Dee BTW we can keep the club on the hush !
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« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2009, 10:20:54 AM »
I don't know SHOOTALL, rak55 says we're worthless, and I have 2 ex-wives that agree with him. He may be on to something. But then again he may just be a youngster with a bad attitude. What do you guys think? Is he smart, or a youngster with a bad attitude? hunt-m-up is a youngster, and he doesn't seem to have a bad attitude so it's not necessarily youth.
With you, and me, and Longtom being the only members, and hunt-m-up already investigating the dollar figure on dues paid in, we may already be having internal problems and we haven't even had our first meeting. This is really off to a bad start. ;D I think we may be onto something here. ;D
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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2009, 11:36:06 AM »
I don't know SHOOTALL, rak55 says we're worthless, and I have 2 ex-wives that agree with him. He may be on to something. But then again he may just be a youngster with a bad attitude. What do you guys think? Is he smart, or a youngster with a bad attitude? hunt-m-up is a youngster, and he doesn't seem to have a bad attitude so it's not necessarily youth.
With you, and me, and Longtom being the only members, and hunt-m-up already investigating the dollar figure on dues paid in, we may already be having internal problems and we haven't even had our first meeting. This is really off to a bad start. ;D I think we may be onto something here. ;D

I have an idea.  You start the club and pay all dues to me...After I take half I will divide them up giving Rak55 30% since he is against it, 15% to anyone on the fence about it, and the ones who started it can take the last 5%.  Oh since I control the $ I will control everything else to ensure no internal fighting.

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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2009, 12:22:00 PM »
Dee, I suggest a planning committee first. It can plan to make a plan. eddie
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« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2009, 01:44:42 PM »
Dee, I suggest a planning committee first. It can plan to make a plan. eddie

First of all, we will have to have a committee on committees like my church has. I'm not sure what that committee does, but it sounds important.
The next thing we have to do, is strip Heather of her power. She is already forming a welfare state, and foreign aid spending, and we haven't even got the committee on committees formed yet. ::)
Our worthlessness may be showing thru and causing this however. Maybe we need counseling, to get in touch with our inner self (what ever that is ???).  :-\  How much would that cost? :-\
I'm starting to get frustrated. I wonder if I am as frustrated as rak55 seems to be? :-\
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