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Offline JBO

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Ruger 270 load
« on: July 10, 2009, 03:52:20 PM »
Greetings, new here and looking for some advise.  I've been trying to work up a load for my M77 270 and wondering what I should exspect for groups.  I had a smith bed and float the barrel, also adjust trig.  I'm useing 59 gr H4831sc but would like bullet seating advise for a Ruger.  Also used IMR4831 with 57.5. 
Does anyone one have a load that they found really works great.  Thanks for the help. 

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Re: Ruger 270 load
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 03:17:31 AM »
Hi JB,

I've used 58gr of RL-22 over 150gr nosler BTs for years...I also use that load for Partitions.  I don't load 130s at all anymore.
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Re: Ruger 270 load
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 11:50:33 AM »
drdougrx,

 I want to go to a heavier 140  anyway so I'll try the RL and see how it shoots.  What about depth for bullet seating in the Ruger's.  What's your OAL on your's load? Half the fun is shooting different loads and trying other peep's loads.     thanks again

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Re: Ruger 270 load
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 01:30:17 PM »
Hey...the box mag on my rifle only lets me load to an OAL of 3.35 as I remember.  I've been working with other rifle in the last couple of years so I'm kinda fuzzy...well...always kinda fuzzy!

Anyway, I'm going to work with 160gr partitions later this fall....used them to kill a 6' black bear years ago and still have some left...talk about penetration!!!!!
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Re: Ruger 270 load
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2009, 07:19:28 PM »


When I developed my Hornady 140-grain loads for my Savage 110CL I created a dummy load by smoking a bullet and then making adjustments back from the lands I settled on 3.35 inches.  The published maximum over all cartridge length for the .270 Winchester is 3.40 inches.  As I recall this is at the very bottom edge of the cannelure on the bullet.  I did not crimp these loads.

My initial loading efforts with the 140-grain bullet were with H4831 which I had been very successful with 150-grain bullets, and 130-grain bullets.  My goal was to safely work up to 58-grains of H4831.  As I approached 58 grains I had to back off.  I settled on 57.2 grains of H4831.  This development was just after Hornady put their 140-grain on the market and I did not have a Chrony at that time.

H4831 had been a pet powder in the .270 Winchester but I was not satisfied with the results.  It killed deer and provided fair accuracy.  My load development continued with the now discontinued WW785 ball powder.  I used data published by Lyman and Hornady and spent a lot of range time developing my load.  This developed a safe maximum load and then dropped back.  In my testing accuracy improved as I approached “my” maximum.  In my Savage when tested at 6700-foot elevation which replicates the elevation I hunt the load produced 3030 fps velocity.  It also produced small groups.  I still hoard a couple pounds of WW785 to support this load.

I purchased some WW 140-grain Silvertips that had been discontinued.  I loaded these for the Savage 110CL and the Remington 700.  I seated these bullets at 3.25 inches so that I could just catch the crimping groove in the initial loading.  I used now discontinued WW WMR Ball Powder.  I shot a 3/8 group with this combination. 

Going back to where I started, I suggested that if you want to play with bullet length create a dummy cartridge and smoke the bullet with a candle or use a magic marker to color the bullet.  You can chamber the dummy and work until you get a cartridge that is off the lands in “YOUR RIFLE.”  Not only does it have to safely chamber in your rifle, but it needs to feed from the magazine.  I understand that early Ruger M77 barrels came from different contractors.  Some produced good results and others did not.  My Ruger M77 in 7MM Remington Magnum was purchased new in 1979.  It is the most inaccurate rifle I have ever owned when firing factory ammunition from Remington, Winchester, and Federal.  It is an accurate rifle when using near maximum charges of H4831, H870, and AA8700.  It was a rifle I was ready to trade-off because of the accuracy issue.  Handloading saved it.  I have given the factory ammunition the unscientific shake test.  The result is there is a lot of unused space it the factory loaded case. 

You did not say what weight bullet you are loading, but from the charge weight you have given I suspect you are loading a 130-grain bullet.  I have had good results with Hornady, and Remington 130-grain bullets using H4831 charges from 59.0 to 60.0 grains in the .270 Winchester.

But I must bring up a different point.  Seating depth at the lands varies with the bullet design itself, any time the design and weight change expect a difference in seating depth.   The difference in the Nosler Ballistic tip in comparison with Remington C-L, Hornady Spire Pt., and the Barnes TTSX may generate different safe overall cartridge lengths. 

Loads that would function in my 270 Remington M760 would not function in my younger brothers M760 Remington which was a good thing.  It kept the rascal out of my ammunition.

Looking for accuracy in the .270 Winchester, try 140-grain bullets.  I have found them to be slight more accurate and offer better penetration.  That is a very general statement because I have only tried two brands of 140-grain bullets, and six different 130-grain bullets.
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Re: Ruger 270 load
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2009, 06:54:23 AM »
Sisk is correct as always.  I probably should say that my 270 m77 was purchased as the ultralite model in 1983 and has been rebarreled with a shilien premium barrel.  I shoot 150s for no other reason than I wanted to shoot BTs and I felt the longer bullet would be more accurate and penetrate better and still feel it does and I have ALOT of them...hundreds and hundreds that I purchased from Shooters Pro shop (Nosler Fac 2nds).  I did call Nosler to ask if they were ever going to make a 150gr accubond and was told that they probably would not because the bullet would need to be too long.  Anyway...I'd agree that 140s are the way to go.
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Re: Ruger 270 load
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2009, 06:48:01 PM »
I load for my Ruger M77 MKII 270 Winchester, Ruger Rings and Leupold Vari-X 3-9x40 scope is a sweet setup.

I use Winchester standard primers, Winchester or Remington brass, and Hornady 150 gr Interlock for deer/antelope.

54.0 grains of IMR-4831 give me sub MOA loaded to factory COL.  This load is safe in my firearm, but I carefully worked up from minimum starting load.

If I were to go after Elk, Moose or Black Bear, I would use the same load with 150 gr Nosler Partitions.

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Re: Ruger 270 load
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 11:44:53 PM »
Killed a lot of game with my old Ruger 77R (c. 1974).   Always used 130's for mule deer and 150's for elk.   Mostly cross canyon single-shot kills, so I assume that means they grouped just fine (if you added the years together to make a group).   :)
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Re: Ruger 270 load
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2009, 10:54:44 AM »
I have not loaded mine yet but got some barnes 110gr x bullets to try.  Should be able to push them pretty fast and still have a tough bullet.  They do cost but thought it would be a great combo.

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Re: Ruger 270 load
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 07:38:29 PM »
mattmillerrx,

+1 on the Barnes 110 gr TTSX. I don't reload yet for the 270 Win but recently I bought 7 different boxes of factory loads, one of which was Federal Premium with 110 gr TTSX bullet. I had previously shot 3-shot groups with this (and the other ammo). The 110 gr TTSX load shot within an inch at 100 yards. When I shot all of these factory loads, I did not have my chronograph, since I was initially concerned with accuracy. However, on a follow-up range trip for which the main purpose was to check some of my reloads for another caliber, I did shoot 1 round from each box of 270 Win factory ammo over the chrono just to get an idea of the velocity. The Fed Premium 110 gr TTSX MV was 3,330 fps (as measured 15' from the muzzle), which was only 70 fps short of the factory claims. This was in a 20" Savage bolt action.

So, I'd say that the high velocity (and accuracy) potential, especially with handloading, is there.

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Re: Ruger 270 load
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2009, 02:39:36 AM »
 Not a Ruger but a Weatherby Vanguard. I did the dummy round thing and had to seat the bullet about .032 deeper to go in the magazine. That left me with a oal of 3.330. I use Sierra 130 grain bullets over 58.5 grains of H4831. Sure is instant death on whitetail size game. 
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Re: Ruger 270 load
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2009, 04:33:14 PM »

My M77 270Win. likes 54.9 gr IMR 4350 with 130 gr. Sierra Pro Hunter seated .003 off rifling in neck sized brass.

My M77 Ultra Lite 270Win. likes the same. It has more freebore and has to be seated differently. Both are sub MOA with this load.