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Iranian Terror Masters Freed ...........by YOU Know Who
« on: July 12, 2009, 03:33:52 PM »
Obama Frees Iranian Terror Masters
The release of the Irbil Five is a continuation of a shameful policy.
By Andrew C. McCarthy

There are a few things you need to know about President Obama’s shameful release on Thursday of the “Irbil Five” — Quds Force commanders from Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) who were coordinating terrorist attacks in Iraq that have killed hundreds — yes, hundreds — of American soldiers and Marines.
First, of the 4,322 Americans killed in combat in Iraq since 2003, 10 percent of them (i.e., more than 400) have been murdered by a single type of weapon alone, a weapon that is supplied by Iran for the singular purpose of murdering Americans. As Steve Schippert explains at NRO’s military blog, the Tank, the weapon is “the EFP (Explosively Formed Penetrator), designed by Iran’s IRGC specifically to penetrate the armor of the M1 Abrams main battle tank and, consequently, everything else deployed in the field.” Understand: This does not mean Iran has killed only 400 Americans in Iraq. The number killed and wounded at the mullahs’ direction is far higher than that — likely multiples of that — when factoring in the IRGC’s other tactics, such as the mustering of Hezbollah-style Shiite terror cells.

Second, President Bush and our armed forces steadfastly refused demands by Iran and Iraq’s Maliki government for the release of the Irbil Five because Iran was continuing to coordinate terrorist operations against American forces in Iraq (and to aid Taliban operations against American forces in Afghanistan). Freeing the Quds operatives obviously would return the most effective, dedicated terrorist trainers to their grisly business
  Here is more and a Link http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=8044453&page=1
U.S. Military Hands Over 5 Iranians Believed to Have Smuggled Weapons into Iraq
The U.S. military has reluctantly handed over to Iraqi authorities five Iranians it accuses of instigating violence against coalition troops.

 
The Iranian flag flies atop the Iranian Embassy building in Baghdad, Iraq, Thursday, July 9, 2009....
The Iranian flag flies atop the Iranian Embassy building in Baghdad, Iraq, Thursday, July 9, 2009. U.S. forces on Thursday released five Iranian officials who were detained in January 2007 in northern Iraq on suspicion of aiding Shiite Iraqi militants, Iranian and Iraqi officials said.
(Karim Kadim/AP Photo)
"We've turned them over at the request of the Iraqi government," said State Department spokesman Ian Kelly, citing U.S. obligations to do so under a troop agreement reached late in the Bush administration. Kelly expressed concern that the individuals, which he said were "associated with" Iran's elite Quds Force, could endanger U.S. troops in Iraq.

Despite what U.S. officials say were "high level" protests through the U.S. embassy and military in Baghdad, Iraq turned them over to Iran, which then released them.

"We have of course made our concerns known to the Iraqi government," Kelly said.

U.S. officials said the Iranians' release was not part of any deal or prisoner exchange. Kelly denied speculation that the move was part of the Obama administration's outreach to the Iranian government or a quid pro quo for Iran's recent release of American journalist Roxana Saberi
The five were arrested in a raid in the northern Iraqi city of Irbil in 2007 and had been held at the Camp Cropper detention facility near the Baghdad Airport. The U.S. says it has evidence the Iranians were tied to Iran's elite Quds Force and were working to train militants and smuggle arms, including particularly deadly armor piercing bombs known as explosively formed penetrators (EFPs), to anti-U.S. elements in the country
When U.S. troops arrested the five Iranians, U.S. officials tell ABC News they found a laptop, maps and other documents detailing the smuggling of weapons from Iran to Iraq. The evidence, the U.S. says, also linked them to the Quds Force, an arm of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps.

Iran has maintained that the five individuals are diplomats. They did hold diplomatic credentials and the building where they were detained was accredited as an Iranian consular office. During their detention, U.S. officials say they were afforded consular visits by Iranian authorities and access by the International Committee of the Red Cross.

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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2009, 04:14:27 PM »
Another opinion
http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2009/07/rightwing-dishonesty-and-the-irbil-five.html

July 12, 2009
Rightwing Dishonesty And The Irbil Five
By Steve Hynd

Various rightwing blogs are getting all steamed up over Obama's release of the "Irbil Five", Iranians who were arrested and held without charge for years by US forces in Iraq. The charge is being led by The Corner's Steve Schippert and utterly-nutterly Andy McCarthy.

McCarthy writes that the five were "Quds Force commanders from Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) who were coordinating terrorist attacks in Iraq that have killed hundreds — yes, hundreds — of American soldiers and Marines" using Iranian-designed Explosively Formed Penetrator (EFP) devices."

The trouble is, every single word of that allegation is almost certainly false.

For a start, the Irbil Five are claimed to be Quds Force commanders solely on the say so of Mujahedeen e-Kalq informers who fingered them for the U.S. The MeK, a proscribed terrorist organisation with an Islamist/Marxist ideology and a long history of lying about Iran's allegedly hostile activities who believe they should be the autocratic rulers of Iran, have long been the neocons favorite terrorists and a neocon journalist, Ken Timmerman, even reported that MeK interpreters had led the interrogation of the Irbil Five. Everyone else says they were diplomats, in Iraq at the express invite of Kurdish and Iraqi leaders. They'd met with the Iraqi President, Prime Minister and National Security Advisor, openly and with televised soundbites.

Secondly, the claim that EFP's are exclusively the property of Iran is just stupid. These same weapons were first used by the IRA and spread to Columbia's FARC and Spain's ETA as well as Hizboullah and other terror groups worldwide years before the US-led invasion of Iraq. They are easy to make in any minimally equipped machine shop and at least three manufactories for EFP's have been found inside Iraq itself. When the US tried to prove that Iran was responsible for these weapons, the whole world laughed. Not a single EFP has ever been intercepted crossing the Iran-Iraq border, even though one entire regiment of British troops spent months actively looking. And the Pentagon's ever-evolving explanations of contrary evidence have descended to fairy tales that contravene the laws of physics. Even General Pace and Admiral Fallon refused to get onboard the neocon warmongering train - which later cost both their jobs.

To date, the only positive evidence for Iranian involvement in and leadership of EFP attacks in Iraq are: confessions delivered by MeK and Iraqi Army interrogators under conditions of extreme duress; explosives that the US military says it knows are Iranian because they're in fake US wrappers and scoring marks on EFP discs caused by the manufacture process which the US military says must be Iranian because they say the Iraqis can't machine discs on their own (despite there being plenty of machine shops in Iraq and the formulas used being widely spread by the IRA in the 90's); other weapons that the US military knows are Iranian because they have serial numbers on (and they never think that maybe that means rogue elements redirecting arms exports, since the Iranian government are clever enough at black ops to take the serial numbers off). That's it.

The same story has been tried in Afghanistan, but despite repeated claims by neoconservative pundits and Bush administration officials that Iran was arming the Taliban in Afghanistan with EFP bombs, neither the US Army's own bomb expert in theatre, NATO allies nor the commanding US general agreed with that assessment.

Thirdly, there's the "responsible for ten percent of US casualties" charge. The actual figures are 8% of fatalities and 4% of woundings attributable to EFPs, most of which are certainly made inside Iraq with open-source design details. These attacks were never the difference between success and failure in Iraq. Even without them, Iraq would have been a quagmire. And readers might note that no-one ever gives statistics on the number of deaths attributable to weapons smuggled from Saudi, the UAE, Syria or even Pakistan. Maybe those are big problems, bigger than the EFP one, but who can tell? Without something to compare EFP casualties to, it's smoke and mirrors. In fact, common or garden truck and car bombs are the biggest source of US deaths in Iraq and always have been.

Lastly, there's the whole notion that Obama releasing these most-probably innocent diplomats who have close ties to Iraq's President, Prime Minister and bi-partisan leadership is "stunningly irresponsible". McCarthy, naturally, doesn't mention the fact that the Bush administration released over 500 detainees from Gitmo without any kind of trial or due process and that even the Bush administration admitted that a percentage of those became terrorist threats thereafter. It's "stunningly irresponsible" when Obama does it but when Bush did, IOKIYAR

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Re: Iranian Terror Masters Freed ...........by YOU Know Who
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2009, 04:26:08 PM »
The only mistake was taking them alive. Had they been sent to hell to begin with there would be no discussion now. Just osama taking care of his Godless brothers. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2009, 05:20:19 PM »
Well is it any surprise that BHO is siding with his terrorist brethren? I find it appalling that some are dumb enough to side with him, and make up fake news stories to back him as we see above.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2009, 01:32:58 AM »
How 'bout we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan and stop trying to destroy Iran?
None of our darn business, a waste of human lives, and the whole affair is wrecking our economy, just like Afghanistan ruined Russia.
It's just throwing $trillions down a bottomless rathole.
No good will come of it.

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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2009, 01:48:34 AM »
Yeah Rio and heck while we're at it let's sell them some enriched uranium or even completed nuclear weapons to pay off our dept. After all your savior BHO says Islam is a religion of peace.

It's a good thing most people are not so blind about the threat of Ilam.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2009, 02:00:27 AM »
WHY does this not surprise me. This so called president that we have is leading the United States of America down the road to total destruction. You people who voted for him, I hope you are really proud of yourselves.

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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2009, 02:16:43 AM »
crustaceous ,I just don't for the life of me see how you can continue to defend Obama                       Beerbelly

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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2009, 02:19:50 AM »
Heck Beerbelly how can you be at all surprised? Just look at how many millions of people were actually stupid enough to vote for BHO.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2009, 06:19:56 AM »
 It's not about Obama. It would seem to me that if we're going to be the shining light of democracy we need to operate at the highest standards.They've held them for three years without any charges. That's not something we'd allow in this country. Even the past administeation was divided over their release.