Author Topic: kind of a crazy question (Read 1765 times)

holahead · « **on:** July 12, 2009, 04:44:38 PM »

Lets say you are gonna spend some time in the woods alone. You are in a place where you don't have to worry about predators such as bears, wolves, big cats or big foot. You want to carry two guns. # 1 a rifle and #2 a pistol. Ok you have decide you want the two to be able to shoot the same ammo. Would you carry a 22LR? My thinking is 22lr would be a great round to carry. You could carry a lot more ammo than say a bigger centerfire round and they would not take up as much space. Would it be crazy to carry a NEF rimfire in 22LR? I really love my handi rifles and have been thinking about a good rifle/pistol combo for say a week long camping trip. I then came to the conclusion the 22LR would be about perfect. Now as I said I love my handis and got to thinking about the single shot 22LR. It would be light and easy to handle could shoot small game and larger game if had to. This rifle is easy to keep clean and and is built kinda simpler than say a bolt or auto. Does this sound crazy or would this be a great little gun to carry in a extended trip in the woods? Also about how much should I expect to pay for one of these little rifles. Thanks

GatCat · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2009, 02:27:41 AM »

NOT a crazy question at all.
If that is what you want to take, more power to you...why not ?
Keep in mind that the NEF's are not real light, they have a pretty heavy barrel. Yes, they are simple, and reliable, and a box or two of shell would go a long way.
Not sure what an NEF Sportser goes for, probably under $150. or so.
Mark

a4beltfed2000 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2009, 02:50:44 AM »

While the .22 LR has the ability to take game such as deer (however it is illegal, at least here) it can been done with a headshot, however they won't go quietly into the freezer,or so I have heard?) I would, myself, prefer at least a .22 mag,the .22 mag will kill a fox or yote (done it,although they were trapped first) has just a little more power, won't add much additional weight and I would feel more confident in killing with it than a .22lr. the ruger bearcat has the ability to change cylinders for either .22 lr or .22 mag, same with the Hertiage rough rider pistols. Which both offers the same options as the NEF rifles (ability to change calibers). plus cabelas has a nice hoslter set that works well for them, and you can carry addtional rounds on your belt for either.

Me? I carry the 45/70 handirilfe, or the 45LC winchester 94 and a single action .45lc pistol,but we do have the bears, big cats, yotes, wolves, hogs, and coydogs (many of these I see around the house) We had a guy mauled by a bear, less than 1 mile from me 2 yrs ago, and this year a kids dog was killed by hog(s) in his own yard just 10 miles south of me. We just had a news report that bear population is upto 30,000 here in wisconsin and wild hogs are up by 40% (killed this year over number last year) in fact people are starting to hit them with cars at night, last weekend the dumb$^% police shot a bear in the middle of one of the larger cities here, that wondered into the middle of the park.

wreckhog · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2009, 03:37:58 AM »

It is POS, but an AR-7 probably weighs all of 3lbs with 200 rounds and is quite compact.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2009, 03:41:31 AM »

"last weekend the dumb$^% police shot a bear in the middle of one of the larger cities here, that wondered into the middle of the park."

and why were they "dumb$^%"s" and what does this have to do with .22's....<><....

a4beltfed2000 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2009, 04:03:31 AM »

sorry just a rant!

The animal control center has/had a tranquilzer gun available but officers just decided to kill it even though it had already climbed a tree. While I am a hunter, I find the wasteful killing of a bear, very dishearting. I will fix my post.

snapcrackpop · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2009, 05:59:06 AM »

another option would be the .17HMR.....

cgoff · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2009, 01:46:43 PM »

another vote for 17 HMR

trotterlg · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2009, 02:33:49 PM »

Unless you take some spare parts to fix the transfer bar and associated other things, I think a H&R is just too fragile for a survival rifle. Some type of bolt gun or other single shot without the clap-trap fireing system and a revolver of the same cal would be my choice. I don't know where you would be in the woods to not worry about a Big Foot, they are every where! Larry

holahead · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2009, 03:14:36 PM »

Thanks for all the input. My brother loves camping and has all kind of stuff to use in his endeavers. He wants him and I to take about week long camping trip on creek he knows about. I was just looking for something that is simple that I could take along. Don't really need any show nuff firepower just something to maybe take a few small game animals for the pot. We will not be in some kind of harsh condition that will make or break a gun. Again thanks for all the help and info.

snakeman · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:05:15 PM »

I would pick a .357 mag handi and matching revolver. Good enough for some deer and it can take small game with low powered .38's.

snakeman

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #11 on:** July 14, 2009, 11:14:33 PM »

I think it's an excellent ideal, a ruger single six would be the perfect companion to it.

Sourdough · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2009, 08:46:34 PM »

I'll be honest, for a survival gun I want something that is bullet proof so to speak. And something that will not take up any more room than possible, and as light weight as I can get. In other words what I carry in the plane.

I carry a .22 revolver with two cylinders, .22 LR and .22 Mag. As for the rifle I carry a Henry take down model, or my Remington Nylon 66. Yes the Remington is a semi-auto as is the Henry. But the Remington has never failed to shoot in 48 years I have owned it. And it weighs half as much as a H&R Sprotster .22. The Henry shoots fine, and takes down into a small package, but sometimes it does not reload properly, so I lean toward the Remington Nylon 66.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2009, 02:13:17 AM »

My most favorite camp/hike/trail gun is a well worm S&W 651 in 22M. It offers plenty of power for bigger nuisance game, enough for the two legged varmints and is lite and accurate.

For me, in this scenario if I am going to carry a rifle it wont be a 22LR. Something more substantial will be there for sure.

To put things into better perspective. I am a big handgun competition shooter and am not limited by the accuracy constraints have when shooting a handgun. So the hand gun for me has more usable range and better "overlaps" into rifle range territory.

CW

greg916 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 31, 2009, 04:34:36 PM »

My favorite was an old Armilite AR 7. I think this is the same rifle as the Henry US Survival rifle

45-70.gov · « **Reply #15 on:** July 31, 2009, 04:59:37 PM »

Quote from: snakeman on July 14, 2009, 04:05:15 PM

I would pick a .357 mag handi and matching revolver. Good enough for some deer and it can take small game with low powered .38's.

snakeman

the 38 is real quiet in the handi
357 if you need something big
i prefer the 44 but 357/38 is smaller and lighter....ammo is cheaper

22 will seem too small when you hear the banjos in the distence

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #16 on:** August 01, 2009, 06:53:42 AM »

Me if I was looking at doing it how you are I would take my Handi .32H&R mag and one of my .32H&Rmag pistols.I think it would be perfect. But since the 32 is not had by all I would do the same thing with the Handi 357mag and Taurus revolver. Kurt

MISSEDSHOT · « **Reply #17 on:** August 01, 2009, 12:05:48 PM »

Someone said if a Handi was carried to take some spare parts, specifically transfer bar parts, are there problems with the transfer bars? I have seen them replaced with rebounding hammers and wondered why.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #18 on:** August 01, 2009, 12:12:46 PM »

Yup, read about em in the FAQs.

Tim

MISSEDSHOT · « **Reply #19 on:** August 01, 2009, 02:41:04 PM »

quickdtoo, From my understanding of the posts, this was a few and is not a real common problem. I know of Handi's firing hundreds, if not thousands of rounds and are still dependable.I was wondering if Kasenite could be used to further reinforce and strengthen this weakness.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #20 on:** August 01, 2009, 02:56:06 PM »

It's not the material exactly, but the flimsy way they're made, it's made of two pieces, see the FAQs if you haven't had one apart. There have been enough reported here that it's something to be very aware of, if it falls apart, it won't shoot.

Tim

MISSEDSHOT · « **Reply #21 on:** August 01, 2009, 03:25:25 PM »

quickdtoo, thanks for the conversation.This makes me unconfident in the Handi.Do most show this weakness right away or can it develope over time?I have a new in the box .357 Handi and a .22long rifle on order.Should this fact discourage me?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #22 on:** August 01, 2009, 03:30:10 PM »

I have 46 H&Rs, 43 of em have transfer bars, I've never had one break or fail, I only hunt with H&Rs. But I do keep a spare on hand along with the spring, a firing pin and extra hammer springs.

Tim

cwlongshot · « **Reply #23 on:** August 02, 2009, 05:40:21 AM »

I agree with Tim. I also have a good amount of hands and have never had one break. (Knock wood)

Its more something to be aware of than something to be worried or overly concerned about. IF and when it does happen, you will be informed and have the knowledge necessary to fix it!! As is said, knowledge is power.

CW

45-70.gov · « **Reply #24 on:** August 02, 2009, 10:33:18 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on August 01, 2009, 03:30:10 PM

I have 46 H&Rs, 43 of em have transfer bars, I've never had one break or fail, I only hunt with H&Rs. But I do keep a spare on hand along with the spring, a firing pin and extra hammer springs.

Tim

the rest of us carry a hand gun like you
just incase our rifles fail
why the rifle pistol combo with matching ammo is such a great idea
you not stuck with useless ammo to haul around along with a broken gun

i did replace an extracter with quicks guidence in the shop once