Author Topic: BOMBSHELL…Supreme Court now has Obama Citizenship issue (Read 2400 times)

LONGTOM · « **on:** July 14, 2009, 07:11:51 AM »

Just received this from a friend.
Don't know if this is tru but I sure hope it is!

LONGTOM

It looks to me like it is time for us to give the Democrats and their president the same kind of respect,
that they gave President Bush and candidate Gov Palin during the past terms and election.

Snopes mentioned this in a short statement, but did not elaborate.
(Now you know why he is so eager to get Sotomayor appointed!)

BOMBSHELL…Supreme Court now has Obama Citizenship issue

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking.

Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on t he issue.

Britain 's Daily Mail also carried the story in a front-page article titled, Obama Eligibility Questioned leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K.

In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama' s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS THAT THE MEDIA WON'T EMBRACE!

Sourdough · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2009, 07:36:34 AM »

Maybe the foreign news coverage will force the issue with the US media. But it will still be biased towards the Obama faction.They will portray it as nothing but hate mongers trying to bash the fine man.

dukkillr · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2009, 07:56:23 AM »

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned.htm
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

Those releases look familiar?

Best way to smell this as a hoax (besides the obvious)? The SCOTUS term is over.

Questor · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:09:30 AM »

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned.htm

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:12:25 AM »

I guess the three questions are:
1 if he was born out side of the US Territory, was his mother holding a US passport at the time?
   If she was then he is a natural born citizen acording to Article 2. If not he is not eligible and a fast record search of the state department will determine if his mother was holding a US Passport at the time of his birth. My guess by his insisting he was born in Hawaii she was not.
2 By applying for the grant did he Formally renounce his US citizenship or was it fraud? Was the application of the grant a formal rejection of his US citizenship?
   Does he then have to make restitution to the fund? Has the statute of limitations expired on the fraud? Can the student that was next in line sue him for the grant that he never got due to the fraud? Will he have to serve time for the fraud?
3 If he did not commit fraud and did renounce his citizenship was he then a naturalized citizen.
   If so he would qualify having been natural born to a US citizen, if not then he is disqualified.

alsaqr · « **Reply #5 on:** July 15, 2009, 01:26:53 AM »

Where did the birth announcement in the local Hawaii paper come from?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #6 on:** July 15, 2009, 01:45:44 AM »

A true American would be proud to show proof ! But then if you spend all your time cutting down America and telling the rest of the world how wrong we are ya might not want to be a real citizen now would ya ?

Heavy C · « **Reply #7 on:** July 15, 2009, 02:53:04 AM »

I saw a story on Fox yesterday talking about this. Apparently there has been a flurry of lawsuits filed questioning his citizenship and therefore the Presidency of B.O. One soldier filed such a suit and is refusing to go to Afganistan because B.O. is not eligible to be President and so is not his Commander in Chief. We'll see how it all plays out.

Questor · « **Reply #8 on:** July 15, 2009, 03:49:52 AM »

A soldier filing a lawsuit. Now there's a guy who wants to go to prison.

magooch · « **Reply #9 on:** July 15, 2009, 04:48:51 AM »

I think the plan is for the chosen one to proclaim himself the Supreme Czar and the Presidency will be moot.

alsaqr · « **Reply #10 on:** July 15, 2009, 04:53:54 AM »

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A soldier filing a lawsuit. Now there's a guy who wants to go to prison.

Sounds like the guy signed up for the Army and then got cold feet. Yep, he is going to jail.

skifastchad · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2009, 04:58:11 AM »

Quote from: Questor on July 15, 2009, 03:49:52 AM

A soldier filing a lawsuit. Now there's a guy who wants to go to prison.

And he won his argument before it ever went to trial. His orders have been revoked.

Its the headline story on WND today.

And this isn't a guy who just signed up and got cold feet, he is a Major.

scootrd · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2009, 06:30:00 AM »

These new stories are just stupid Hoax's.

Did Obama attend Occidental under the name "Barry Soetoro"?
No. Soetoro was the name of Obama's stepfather, there's no evidence he attended college under that name. Fellow alumni quoted in the press remember him as "Barry Obama." An Occidental College spokesperson has said there are no records showing that Obama used his stepfather's last name.

Did Obama attend Occidental under a Fulbright Scholarship for Foreign Students?
No. Obama did attend Occidental on a scholarship, but it wasn't a Fulbright, let alone a Fulbright Scholarship designated for foreign students. The Fulbright Foreign Student Program is for Master's Degree and Ph.D. candidates. Obama was an undergraduate.

Following this logic of these stupid Hoax's,
John McCain was born on a military base in the Panama Canal zone, which was not sovereign US territory. The Constitution provides: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. Is McCain a natural born citizen?

I find these stupid stories silly at best , of course McCain can be a U.S President.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html

Barack Obama, was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, Of course Obama can be a U.S President.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Let's start solving world issues.

rex6666 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 15, 2009, 06:59:02 AM »

This soldier may well go to prison, but he has stood up for what he believes
and that is what keeps being said here.
someone needs to do something, he has the only way he thinks he will be
heard.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #14 on:** July 15, 2009, 07:12:01 AM »

But Scootrd,
If he was born in Hawaii then OK.
the question is on his application for a scholarship.
was his putting down that his country was Indonisia a formal renouncement of his US citizenship OR was it fraud?
If it was a formal renouncement of his citizenship was he ever sworn back in as a citizen? If not he still is not a US citizen and can not be president! Article 2 section 1 of the constitution. He needs to be a naturalized citizen.
Even if he was not born in Hawaii and his mother was holding a US passport at the time he is then a US citizen. Same reason why McCain can be President.
The bigger question is if he was not able to be president at the time of the ellection what happens? Does McCain become president or does Biden? Do we have to have a new ellection and any of the Laws he has signed are they valid?

H666 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 15, 2009, 07:17:58 AM »

I firmly believe secret agencies would have checked his background, and if not, then journalists most certainly would have.

Him being able to become president must be proof enough for citizenship, we would have heard about this way sooner if he was not.

jk3006 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 15, 2009, 07:31:02 AM »

Quote from: H666 on July 15, 2009, 07:17:58 AM

I firmly believe secret agencies would have checked his background, and if not, then journalists most certainly would have.

Him being able to become president must be proof enough for citizenship, we would have heard about this way sooner if he was not.

LOL!! That's how it SHOULD work.

skifastchad · « **Reply #17 on:** July 15, 2009, 07:41:44 AM »

Quote from: rex6666 on July 15, 2009, 06:59:02 AM

This soldier may well go to prison, but he has stood up for what he believes
and that is what keeps being said here.
someone needs to do something, he has the only way he thinks he will be
heard.

Why does everyone here keep talking about prison... HE WON! HE WON HIS CASE!

He didn't want to go to Afghanistan and possibly serve under a fake commander in chief. Doing so would make him and all other soldiers on foreign soil illegal war criminals not subject to the Geneva Convention.

The Army revoked his deployment orders before it even went to trial!

There are many news stories about it today. See for yourself:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Maj.%20Stefan%20Frederick%20Cook&sa=N&tab=wn&um=1

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** July 15, 2009, 07:56:19 AM »

well that should open a can of worms , but will it ?

TribReady · « **Reply #19 on:** July 15, 2009, 08:03:32 AM »

I thnk it will. I think we're going to see a ton of soldiers stand up and do the same thing. I think some poop is going to hit the fan on this one.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #20 on:** July 15, 2009, 08:20:17 AM »

Lets hope so , A short while back someone ask if U.S. Soilders would go aginst the Consitution , maybe we will see ? seems this one likes it and knows what it says .

Dee · « **Reply #21 on:** July 15, 2009, 08:35:51 AM »

Quote from: Questor on July 15, 2009, 03:49:52 AM

A soldier filing a lawsuit. Now there's a guy who wants to go to prison.

I disagree. I see a REAL SOLDIER, taking a REAL STAND for what he believes in. i.e.? HIS COUNTRY AND IT'S "PROPER" LEADERSHIP.
This "OFFICER" soldier, has not acted cowardly, but BRAVELY! He is willing to not only "talk the talk" but, quite literally WALK THE WALK!
I SALUTE THIS BRAVE "PATRIOT"!

H666 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:03:59 AM »

Of course a man should always question authorities, that's how democracy works. When a man of arms stands up to question the motives and, as in this case, rights of leader, we can be sure that he, himself, is a fine leader.

scootrd · « **Reply #23 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:30:47 AM »

Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed.
Springsteen

Dee · « **Reply #24 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:32:51 AM »

Bruce Springsteen is a blind liberal idiot. He should know about not being able to see. That's for sure.

teamnelson · « **Reply #25 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:37:30 AM »

Quote from: H666 on July 15, 2009, 07:17:58 AM

I firmly believe secret agencies would have checked his background ...

Yes, and those results would be inadmissable in court if it was determined that he is a US citizen, per USSID 18.

DDZ · « **Reply #26 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:01:19 AM »

scootrd, are you saying we should all have faith in Obama? For one I really don't consider him a leader, and I sure don't have faith in him.
I'm with Dee, Springsteen is a Blind liberal idiot.

If Obama is a citizen, I can't understand why he has not come forth with proof. Instead he just continues throwing money and lawyers at the issue. It Sure looks like he is trying to hide something.

lrs · « **Reply #27 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:05:49 AM »

I know springsteen is popular and all that.
Personally, I can't stand the sight of him.

alsaqr · « **Reply #28 on:** July 15, 2009, 11:23:02 AM »

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And this isn't a guy who just signed up and got cold feet, he is a Major.

The idiot got cold feet whatever his exalted rank. Sets a wonderful example for the enlisted troops under his command. This guy, if he exists, is a blight on the US military. I spent 20 years in the US Army and never heard of any such trash as this.

If an Army officer had done this kind of trash to protest the invasion of Iraq all of you would have come down on him.

alsaqr · « **Reply #29 on:** July 15, 2009, 11:38:17 AM »

Yep, after taking the money for many years that wonderful reserve Army major Stefan Cook decided that he is a conscientious objector. More like a conscientious coward.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/content/mobile/705316760/National-news-briefs.html

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COLUMBUS, Ga. — U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook filed a request last week in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector with the intent to stall and eventually prevent an upcoming deployment to Afghanistan.