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NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« on: July 19, 2009, 06:19:20 AM »
The NRA should have been hammering Republican leaders from day one, to vote against her!
I just received the August American Rifleman, and not ONE word about her. They should be screaming their heads off!



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NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
By Alexander Bolton
Posted: 07/18/09 05:10 PM [ET]
The National Rifle Association (NRA), one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington, has come out against Sonia Sotomayor but conservatives question whether it will flex all of its muscle to oppose the Supreme Court nominee.
 
Leaders of the gun owners’ rights group issued a strong statement against Sotomayor Friday but they have declined to say how much a vote for the nominee would affect lawmakers’ ratings.
 
“It’s an important vote and will count,” said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman. But the NRA has not given an indication of how much weight the vote would carry on its scorecard or whether it would be considered a vital “key vote.”
 
By contrast, Gun Owners of America, a smaller yet less compromising gun rights group — it bills itself “Washington’s only no-compromise gun lobby” — has informed senators in no uncertain terms that voting for Sotomayor will impact their scorecards significantly.
 
“We’ve been telling members of the Senate that this will be rated very heavily against them if they vote for her,” said Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America. “We’ve got to hold people accountable.”
 
Pratt said the NRA may not want go all out against Sotomayor because her confirmation seems assured.
 
At least three Senate Republicans have said they would vote for her: Sens. Dick Lugar (Ind.), Mel Martinez (Fla.) and Olympia Snowe (Maine). Democrats control 60 seats in the Senate and leading Republicans have promised not to filibuster Sotomayor’s nomination.
 
“I don’t think they want to be seen as having lost a battle,” Pratt said of the NRA.
 
“Their philosophy seems to be nothing ventured, nothing lost,” he said. “Normally, we can-do Americans say ‘nothing ventured, nothing gained.’
 
“We would prefer they look at it as a fight we may lose but not the end of the war.”
 
If the NRA were to announce that a vote for Sotomayor would substantially affect lawmakers’ ratings, it would put significant pressure on Republicans and red-state Democrats to vote against her, or at least force them to do a lot of explaining to constituents.
 
Many lawmakers cherish high ratings by the NRA, which has 4 million dues-paying members and a much larger sphere of influence.  If those ratings took a sudden dip, lawmakers would inevitably have to explain themselves on gun rights — a potent issue — come re-election time.
 
But the group seems reluctant to take a hard stand on a confirmation that would hurt long-time allies who have supported them time and again on legislative issues.
 
Historically, the NRA has tended to stay away from judicial confirmation fights. Bush administration officials repeatedly tried to rally the group behind its judicial nominees but to little avail.
 
Curt Levey, executive director of Committee for Justice, a conservative group that opposes Sotomayor, said the NRA should re-evaluate its approach to the judiciary.
 
“I don’t know that they’ve ever scored a vote on a judicial nominee before and I can see why they might be hesitant,” said Levey. “But now that the Second Amendment is [being shaped] in the courts more than in the legislatures they need to start scoring judicial confirmation votes.”
 

 
The power of the NRA and Sotomayor’s record on guns gave hope to conservative activists opposed to her. But the NRA was slow to join the fight. The group initially took a wait-and-see approach and only announced its opposition  after Sotomayor testified before the Judiciary panel.
 
“Unfortunately, Judge Sotomayor’s judicial record and testimony clearly demonstrate a hostile view of the Second Amendment and the fundamental right of self-defense guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution,” Wayne LaPierre, the NRA’s executive vice president, and Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, in a July 17 statement.
 
Levey, of the Committee for Justice, predicted the NRA could sway centrist Democrats against Sotomayor but that it has diminished its potential influence by waiting so long to take a stand.
 
“People on the Hill say that it’s the one group that red state Democrats are wary of,” he said. “The one thing that could really be a game changer, to get some Democrats vote against her, would be the involvement of the NRA.
 
“Had they gotten involved a few weeks earlier it would have made more of an impact.”
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2009, 06:34:27 AM »
Members here have said the Nra is fake someone needs to wake up redhawk1 . ;D

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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2009, 07:21:16 AM »
I hope the NRA picks fights it can win.  Unless this woman is found to have done something illegal there is not even a remote chance of gathering enough votes to defeat her.  That is why the election last fall was so important and why  the election next year is so important.  Right now the Democrats rule the country.  And if you think it's bad now, just wait; if Obama was elected to a second term and if Republicans continued to be a minority in both the House and the Senate then all the ammo hoarders will have been right (and then some).

Gun owners can either argue about one organization vs. another or instead they can try to be effective in moving ahead for gun rights.  Invite elected officials and potential candidates to your gun club and to your shooting events.   If your people in Congress cannot make it to your event then ask them to send one of their staffers.  Build a mailing list right now to use in the election next year.  Look into becoming a precinct captain for your pro-gun political party.  Democracy is not majority rule; it is rule by the majority who show up (and merely voting is not showing up nearly enough). 

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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2009, 07:36:02 AM »
Before I draw too many conclusions, when are the stories turned in for the Aug. edition, in other words, what is the lag time?
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2009, 07:47:20 AM »
I am with nomosendero, these magazines are usually prepared for print at least a month prior to release.

With the strong democratic backing (along with a few republican turncoats) I don't think she can be stopped without something really bad coming out of the woodwork.  Just grin and bear it and prepare yourself for the next election. :( :(

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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2009, 08:21:40 AM »
I'm sure the NRA could have spent millions on lobbying BHO, Pelosi and the majority of the liberal scum that we now have in congress and our resident super genious whiners here would have then approved.
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2009, 09:05:07 AM »
Yes the GOA trash talks once again...
Par for a sub standard pro gun group...
Wake me up when they accomplish's something..yawn  ::)
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2009, 10:13:12 AM »
Yes the GOA trash talks once again...
Par for a sub standard pro gun group...
Wake me up when they accomplish's something..yawn  ::)
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Gun Owners of America applauds immediate past NRA President Sandy Froman, who stepped up to the plate last week with a call to arms for all NRA members to vigorously oppose the nomination of Judge Sotomayor to the Supreme Court. (See the article below).

GOA has been calling on our members to oppose this nomination since it is clear that Sotomayor is anti-Second Amendment and wants to legislate from the bench.

The official position from current NRA leadership is to take a "wait and see" approach to the Sotomayor nomination which may well allow her to wiggle through and be confirmed.

GOA calls on all pro-gunners across America to urge NRA leadership to join in this critical fight to protect the Constitution -- and especially our gun rights. 

-- GOA Vice-Chairman Tim Macy

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NRA Members Must Oppose Sotomayor
by Sandy Froman

Wednesday, June 24, 2009

Judge Sonia Sotomayor, President Barack Obama’s first nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court, has a narrow view of the Second Amendment that contradicts the Court's landmark decision in District of Columbia v. Heller.  A heated debate has started in the U.S. Senate over her opposition to the right to keep and bear arms. This issue, which has decided the fate of presidential elections, could also decide her nomination. Gun owners, and especially the members of the National Rifle Association, must aggressively oppose Judge Sotomayor’s confirmation to the Supreme Court. 

On June 24, senators began speaking on the floor of the Senate expressing grave concerns over Judge Sotomayor’s Second Amendment record. Senator Jeff Sessions R-AL, the Ranking Member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, pointed out that although her record on the issue is "fairly scant," she has twice stated that the Second Amendment is not a fundamental right.  Senator Sessions also noted that in Second Amendment and other constitutional cases, Sotomayor's analysis of important constitutional issues has been lacking suggesting "a troubling tendency to avoid or casually dismiss difficult Constitutional issues of exceptional importance."  Sotomayor's view on the Second Amendment clearly reflects an extreme anti-gun philosophy, and some Democrat senators from pro-gun states are justifiably nervous.

Last year, the Supreme Court held in Heller that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of individual Americans to keep and bear firearms. But that ruling was a fiercely-contested, 5-4 split decision. Justice Kennedy joined the four conservatives on the Court to make the majority, with the four liberal justices writing passionate dissents about how the Second Amendment does not apply to private citizens.

Bluntly speaking, the Second Amendment survived by a single vote. Had one justice voted differently, the Second Amendment would have been erased from the Bill of Rights forever. Today in the Supreme Court, the right to bear arms hangs by a single vote. 

The next question the Supreme Court will decide is whether the Second Amendment is a "fundamental right" that applies to cities and states, thus preventing them from restricting gun rights.  Even the liberal Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals held earlier this year in Nordyke v. King that the Second Amendment is a fundamental right, yet Judge Sotomayor disagrees.

When Barack Obama nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, it belied his flowery rhetoric about respecting our constitutional gun rights. Out of almost 200 federal appeals judges in this country, Judge Sotomayor is one of only six to weigh in (after the Heller case) to hold that the Second Amendment only limits federal actions. If your state or city chooses to ban all guns or take away the ones that you already have in your home for hunting and self-defense, Sonia Sotomayor says the Constitution can't help you. 

This position becomes all the more radical when it's revealed how she reached this conclusion. Only six judges have denied gun rights against the states. Of these, three did so in a recent Seventh Circuit case, NRA v. Chicago, writing a detailed opinion that the Second Amendment doesn't apply to the states because they thought an old 1800s Supreme Court case tied their hands on the issue, and they commended the case up to the Supreme Court after long and scholarly consideration. Judge Sotomayor and two of her liberal colleagues, however, wrote only a single paragraph on the whole issue when deciding their own New York case, Maloney v. Cuomo. In one paragraph, she said the Second Amendment gives people no rights at all when it comes to state or city laws. She gave no explanation, and made no call for Supreme Court action.

Then we find that this has been a consistent belief for Sotomayor. In a case before her in 2004, she and her colleagues concluded that there is no fundamental right in the Second Amendment but provided no substantive analysis to justify this conclusion. Throughout her career, Judge Sotomayor's record is one of consistent opposition to the private ownership of firearms.

America has almost 90 million gun owners who value their rights. And of these, no one does more to protect the Second Amendment than the four million members of the National Rifle Association.

I served as an officer of the NRA for nine years, including a two-year term as president. I saw NRA members turn the tide on Election Day 2000 to defeat Al Gore. We fought again to help defeat John Kerry in 2004. We can do the same with Sonia Sotomayor, if we call our U.S. Senators and tell them to vote against this anti-gun judge. No fewer than fourteen Democrat senators have solid records on the Second Amendment, and we must urge them to oppose this nominee.

Next year, the Supreme Court is likely to take up NRA v. Chicago, which will decide whether the Second Amendment applies to states and cities like it does the federal government. This case is as important as Heller, and will massively impact gun rights forever.

We already know where Judge Sotomayor stands. It's time to tell the Senate, "Vote No! on Sonia Sotomayor."

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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2009, 10:35:30 AM »
Typical NRA inaction. They only take on fights they know or feel seriously confident are winable. They specialize in jumping on the bandwagon of fights already taken on by GOA or others which it looks like will be successful so they won't be left out if the win comes but are very careful not to jump too soon so as to not be associated with a failed effort. They are not a friend of gun owners in spite of all they claim and what is claimed by their loyal following here.


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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2009, 10:51:39 AM »
I'm sure the NRA could have spent millions on lobbying BHO, Pelosi and the majority of the liberal scum that we now have in congress and our resident super genious whiners here would have then approved.


Instead of spending millions, how about just telling the Representatives that they will get a failing score by the NRA, if they confirm this GUN GRABBER?

Is that asking too much from the NRA? They are playing politics with our right to keep and bear arms, and it should Pi - - you off!!! instead of calling the ones of us that do care (Whiners)Do like I did, and write the NRA a letter telling them to join the rest of us in defending that right, or just keep your head buried up some dark orifice and let us do it for you! >:(
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2009, 11:17:34 AM »
Why not put the blame where it belongs,  all the clowns that elected these Liberal gun grabbers into office... You want to cry about the NRA, but you are barking up the wrong tree.

Why don't you get off the computer, and go out and change peoples minds that voted for the gun grabbing liberals..

I am one of the organizers for a group the supports the Constitution of the United States and we are fighting issues constantly, I am the leader for the 2nd Amendment committee, and we have made differences in gun laws here in Delaware.

What are you doing besides complaining about what the NRA is not doing?

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Joint Statement On Judge Sonia Sotomayor's Nomination To The United States Supreme Court


Thursday, July 16, 2009


WAYNE LAPIERRE, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION

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CHRIS W. COX, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION - INSTITUTE FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION


Other than declaring war, neither house of Congress has a more solemn responsibility than the Senate’s role in confirming justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. As the Senate considers the nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor, Americans have been watching to see whether this nominee – if confirmed – would respect the Second Amendment or side with those who have declared war on the rights of America’s 80 million gun owners.

From the outset, the National Rifle Association has respected the confirmation process and hoped for mainstream answers to bedrock questions.  Unfortunately, Judge Sotomayor’s judicial record and testimony clearly demonstrate a hostile view of the Second Amendment and the fundamental right of self-defense guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution.

It is only by ignoring history that any judge can say that the Second Amendment is not a fundamental right and does not apply to the states. The one part of the Bill of Rights that Congress clearly intended to apply to all Americans in passing the Fourteenth Amendment was the Second Amendment.  History and congressional debate are clear on this point. 

Yet Judge Sotomayor seems to believe that the Second Amendment is limited only to the residents of federal enclaves such as Washington, D.C. and does not protect all Americans living in every corner of this nation.  In her Maloney opinion and during the confirmation hearings, she deliberately misread Supreme Court precedent to support her incorrect view.

In last year’s historic Heller decision, the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees the individual’s right to own firearms and recognizes the inherent right of self-defense.  In addition, the Court required lower courts to apply the Twentieth Century cases it has used to incorporate a majority of the Bill of Rights to the States.  Yet in her Maloney opinion, Judge Sotomayor dismissed that requirement, mistakenly relying instead on Nineteenth Century jurisprudence to hold that the Second Amendment does not apply to the States.

This nation was founded on a set of fundamental freedoms. Our Constitution does not give us those freedoms – it guarantees and protects them. The right to defend ourselves and our loved ones is one of those. The individual right to keep and bear arms is another. These truths are what define us as Americans. Yet, Judge Sotomayor takes an opposite view, contrary to the views of our Founding Fathers, the Supreme Court, and the vast majority of the American people.

We believe any individual who does not agree that the Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right and who does not respect our God-given right of self-defense should not serve on any court, much less the highest court in the land. Therefore, the National Rifle Association of America opposes the confirmation of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the position of Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court.
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2009, 11:27:21 AM »
I'm sure the ones who will confirm it already have failing scores. Oh yeah and by your own admission the NRA is worthless so why do you care what there ratings meen?


I suppose I should call our illustrious senators here in MN, oh wait I'm not stupid enough to waste my time with that.  ;)
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2009, 05:49:03 PM »
she will make the N.R.A. a ton of money after all if we had a supreme court that fully supported all the constutition we would'nd need them
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2009, 01:31:21 AM »
she will make the N.R.A. a ton of money after all if we had a supreme court that fully supported all the constutition we would'nd need them

Wrong answer, there is always going to be anti-gun groups out there. 20% of the population are liberals and most have anti-gun agendas.

People are busy blaming the NRA for anti-gun issues getting passed, the blame goes to the voters that voted for Legislators that had personal agendas (anti-gun). So the blame lies with the voters of there Senators and Congressmen.

We have a President that talks out f both sides of his mouth, did anyone forget his trip to Mexico when he came back with the foreign treaty issue, that was introduced by Bill Clinton

Believe it or not, this was on CNN-Lou Dobbs. Shows the extent to which Obama and the Democrats will go to any extent to eliminate the Second Amendment, and this by using a foreign treaty as the process .... you need to watch this.,

You have to see this to believe it!!
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2009, 03:03:02 AM »
Redhawk I don't "blame" the NRA for bills getting past. I don't "blame" them for anything, other than saying they do something that they do not.
They have become side tracked with selling things like, insurance, credit cards, ect. The money spent on these types of programs, and the tons of paper, and man power it takes to produce and MAIL them out should be spent on fighting gun control. THEN! They send me a letter wanting a donation. ::) I would also be interested in know whom pays for all those expensive HUNTS the staff goes on.
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2009, 04:02:16 AM »
For those who do not like the additional fund-raising and member opportunities that are offered to members through the mail - you can go to membership services on the website, sign in, and indicate "Do not Promote".

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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2009, 05:47:37 AM »
The NRA is what it is.  A huge  lobbyist organization.  Whether you agree or not w/ their policy in keeping this new judge out of the SCOTUS is your opinion.  They can waste thousands of dollars trying or they can keep that money to use on something that needs action now.  They know that if the govt wants Sotomeyer in then she will get in.  Why waste the money? What they fail to do about that may save us from a critical piece of legislation being introduced into the congress.  Everybody picks their battles. The NRA cannot print money like the Feds can. 

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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2009, 06:56:27 AM »
I agree Sam it would have been a coplete waste of time and money to try and stop its nomination. The money will better spent on the 2010 election cycle. Like the old saying goes, "work smarter not harder".
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2009, 06:26:45 PM »
Redhawk I don't "blame" the NRA for bills getting past. I don't "blame" them for anything, other than saying they do something that they do not.
They have become side tracked with selling things like, insurance, credit cards, ect. The money spent on these types of programs, and the tons of paper, and man power it takes to produce and MAIL them out should be spent on fighting gun control. THEN! They send me a letter wanting a donation. ::) I would also be interested in know whom pays for all those expensive HUNTS the staff goes on.

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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2009, 07:18:52 PM »
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2009, 01:47:24 AM »
I guess when the writers of these articles state that they were the guests of TC Arms, or Hornady, etc. they are lying.
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2009, 04:42:51 AM »
My view continues to be that if gun owners have serious issues with the NRA it makes more sense to work within the organization for change than it does to try to come up with a competing outfit or to disparage the NRA.  I have sometimes wondered if a website like this could muster enough votes and support to have its own NRA board member, and I would certainly support that.

Over the decades I have heard members of many interest groups lament that they do not have an organization with the political clout the NRA has.  I think that enemies of gun rights may be among the best judges of how effective the NRA has been, and I would bet that many would say they would have had our guns many times over the decades if not for the NRA; at least I certainly believe that to be true.

Democracy is a terrible process to observe but it is the best process we have.  Good can come from it despite the weaknesses of its participants.  Every day I am grateful for the NRA.  Thanks for your time.

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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2009, 05:16:02 AM »
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OK Mr. know it all, show me where I am wrong. If you can't then you need to get your facts straight. http://www.friendsofnra.org/National.aspx?cid=2
 Your whole purpose it to bash the NRA, you don't have a clue. And it is obvious from all your cry baby rants.

You support a group that bashes the largest pro-gun group in America, they the (GOA) wants the money the NRA has, that is it. It is all about the money for the GOA.. And you bought into that hook line and sinker.

I don't and will never support the GOA, and the only reason I talk bad about them is, when you GOA backers start bashing the NRA.. You will never get people to leave the NRA with your message that the NRA is no good. The GOA is not and never will be a voice as strong as the NRA , as long as they attack the NRA  as they have in the past and now, and with there useless rants. I support several pro-gun groups, but the GOA is not one of them. They wanted to get there membership up by bashing the NRA, and it back fired on them.

So keep your GOA and be happy with them, I will stick with the NRA...
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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2009, 03:24:09 PM »
[ I would also be interested in know whom pays for all those expensive HUNTS the staff goes on.

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RIGHT!......And Rosie & Whoopie are right wing Conservatives!

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OK Mr. know it all, show me where I am wrong. If you can't then you need to get your facts straight. http://www.friendsofnra.org/National.aspx?cid=2
 Your whole purpose it to bash the NRA, you don't have a clue. And it is obvious from all your cry baby rants.

You support a group that bashes the largest pro-gun group in America, they the (GOA) wants the money the NRA has, that is it. It is all about the money for the GOA.. And you bought into that hook line and sinker.

I don't and will never support the GOA, and the only reason I talk bad about them is, when you GOA backers start bashing the NRA.. You will never get people to leave the NRA with your message that the NRA is no good. The GOA is not and never will be a voice as strong as the NRA , as long as they attack the NRA  as they have in the past and now, and with there useless rants. I support several pro-gun groups, but the GOA is not one of them. They wanted to get there membership up by bashing the NRA, and it back fired on them.

So keep your GOA and be happy with them, I will stick with the NRA...
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LOOK! Contrary to what YOU think.I don't think the NRA is an "EVIL" Org, but they need to be reminded from time to time by their members to get inline with some of these smaller NO COMPROMISE Gun lobbies, and quit trying to compromise our gun rights away to these criminals in DC. You cannot win when you do!

All of these groups need money to exist, and if the GOA and others never obtain the membership numbers of the NRA.....SO WHAT! They can all work together, and the 3 million  NRA voices can be 5 million or so with a combination of their help AGREE?

These gun groups.....The GOA, the ARKBA and others didn't just start one day with the idea to bash the NRA. They started to help in the continuous fight to protect the rights of gun owners.

It looks like the NRA doesn't  want to work with these groups, and we will all suffer because of it.

You don't have to be a KNOW IT ALL to see the problems with the leadership of the NRA. A little common sense will do, along with keeping yourself informed.

I did get a little carried away with the Rosie & Whoopie remarks........Devil made me do it! ;)


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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2009, 03:47:44 PM »
July 16, 2009
NRA Position on Sotomayor
WAYNE LAPIERRE, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION, AND CHRIS W. COX, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION-INSTITUTE FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION, ON JUDGE SONIA SOTOMAYOR'S NOMINATION TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT


Other than declaring war, neither house of Congress has a more solemn responsibility than the Senate’s role in confirming justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. As the Senate considers the nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor, Americans have been watching to see whether this nominee—if confirmed—would respect the Second Amendment or side with those who have declared war on the rights of America’s 80 million gun owners.

From the outset, the National Rifle Association has respected the confirmation process and hoped for mainstream answers to bedrock questions. Unfortunately, Judge Sotomayor’s judicial record and testimony clearly demonstrate a hostile view of the Second Amendment and the fundamental right of self-defense guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution.

It is only by ignoring history that any judge can say that the Second Amendment is not a fundamental right and does not apply to the states. The one part of the Bill of Rights that Congress clearly intended to apply to all Americans in passing the Fourteenth Amendment was the Second Amendment. History and congressional debate are clear on this point.

Yet Judge Sotomayor seems to believe that the Second Amendment is limited only to the residents of federal enclaves such as Washington, D.C., and does not protect all Americans living in every corner of this nation. In her Maloney opinion and during the confirmation hearings, she deliberately misread Supreme Court precedent to support her incorrect view.

In last year’s historic Heller decision, the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees the individual’s right to own firearms and recognizes the inherent right of self-defense. In addition, the Court required lower courts to apply the 20th-century cases it has used to incorporate a majority of the Bill of Rights to the states. Yet in her Maloney opinion, Judge Sotomayor dismissed that requirement, mistakenly relying instead on 19th-century jurisprudence to hold that the Second Amendment does not apply to the states.

This nation was founded on a set of fundamental freedoms. Our Constitution does not give us those freedoms—it guarantees and protects them. The right to defend ourselves and our loved ones is one of those. The individual right to keep and bear arms is another. These truths are what define us as Americans. Yet Judge Sotomayor takes an opposite view, contrary to the views of our Founding Fathers, the Supreme Court and the vast majority of the American people.

We believe any individual who does not agree that the Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right and who does not respect our God-given right of self-defense should not serve on any court, much less the highest court in the land. Therefore, the National Rifle Association of America opposes the confirmation of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the position of associate justice of the United States Supreme Court.

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Re: NRA shies from all-out fight on Sotomayor
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2009, 04:49:06 PM »

LOOK! Contrary to what YOU think.I don't think the NRA is an "EVIL" Org, but they need to be reminded from time to time by their members to get inline with some of these smaller NO COMPROMISE Gun lobbies, and quit trying to compromise our gun rights away to these criminals in DC. You cannot win when you do!

All of these groups need money to exist, and if the GOA and others never obtain the membership numbers of the NRA.....SO WHAT! They can all work together, and the 3 million  NRA voices can be 5 million or so with a combination of their help AGREE?

These gun groups.....The GOA, the ARKBA and others didn't just start one day with the idea to bash the NRA. They started to help in the continuous fight to protect the rights of gun owners.

It looks like the NRA doesn't  want to work with these groups, and we will all suffer because of it.

You don't have to be a KNOW IT ALL to see the problems with the leadership of the NRA. A little common sense will do, along with keeping yourself informed.

I did get a little carried away with the Rosie & Whoopie remarks........Devil made me do it! ;)




Just remember, the GOA was the one that trashed the NRA, the NRA never responded to there childish tactics. I was going to join the GOA, but when they attacked the NRA that told me where they stand.. I have no time for an organization like that..
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