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What's normal accuracy? SRH
« on: July 19, 2009, 05:58:55 PM »
This year I'm going to hunt with my SRH.  It's scoped with a 9.5" barrel.  I'm just curious what I SHOULD see with factory winchester ammunition out on the range at say, 50/75/100 yards.  Caliber is 44 mag.

Reason I ask is I'm a little worried.  I just shot my first two boxes of ammo this week and couldn't do better than about 3-5" at 75 yards.  I'm sure it's mostly me, but that just seemed horrible.  I'm shooting off a bench with a 2-6x scope.  I'm saving all my brass and am going to start reloading asap, but for now I'm just building up my confidence with the stock stuff.  I was expecting better..I'm sure some of that is me...but I'm VERY used to shooting pistols.

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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 04:23:25 PM »
Dude...3-5" groups @ 75 yrds w/ a 2-6x scope, on a bench! ?  I just put a 4x on my Redhawk .357 and once it was sighted in, I was eatin' up the bullseye @ 25 yrds. w/ reloads, so I moved over to the 50 yrd benches and was still shootin' sub MOA.  Are you shooting SA or DA?  When you say you're very use to shooting pistols, do you mean scoped on a bench or standing?  I think the gun should do way better than that, just make sure you're doing your part, and practice, practice, pratice, and make sure you're practicing correct form, doesn't help much to keep praticing bad habits, just keeps enforcing them.

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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 05:57:12 PM »
That you have to ask causes me to question how much experience you have with handguns and handgun hunting. Have you had an experience shooter with known good shooting skills shoot it to see how it performs for them?

How well it will perform on the bench is really unimportant to you as a handgun hunter it's how well you and it together can do from field rest postions that matters. At whatever distance you can put all your shots in the kill zone from field positions establishes your max effective hunting range.

Ruger revolvers in my experience are not the most accurate but generally are accurate enough to do the job. A good handgun hunter with a scoped revolver of the sort you have should be able to shoot 2.5" to 4" groups easily enough from a bench at that range. With a scoped S&W I've done around 2" at 100 many times and once had my first three in one half inch but continued to empty the cylinder as I had intended. It wound up at an even 2" for the cylinder full. Can you expect to do that? Perhaps with practice and loads the gun likes but I'd not bet on the Ruger being that accurate personally.


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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 06:24:11 PM »
I shoot my pistols weekly.  I also practice a great deal, all from a standing position.  Usually 500-1,500 rounds a week.  I don't know if you'd consider that a lot or not.

Handgun hunting is a completely new experience to me, at least with larger calibers and longer distances.  So this is just the practicing shots...my first weekend out with a practically brand new gun.  I just want to know what I should expect.

Myself and my friend(who has a great deal less experience than me) could not best 3" grouping at 75 yards with factory ammunition..so I was asking if that's normal for the gun or if I need to do something different?

For comparison..My 22K hornet from bullberry(shooting just normal 22 hornet), I can make the holes almost touch at 50 yards with a 10" barrel out of my encore.  But it FEELS like a completely different animal...that leads me to believe that it's more the gun and crappy factory ammunition.

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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 10:17:47 PM »
Gdbyrd

Let me throw a few thoughts at you, based on a pretty fair ammount of big bore handgun shooting over the years-

A lot of people will tell you how they can just pick up their XXXXX magnum, and punch out 1 inch groups at 100 yards at will, that anything less is substandard.  But talk, as they say, is cheap....  The fact that you are able to pick up an untested revolver with rather heavy recoil, with only one factory load, and get 3-4 inch groups at 75 yards is not really bad.  Practice time spent trying different loads, getting used to the gun, how it reacts to how you hold it (most handguns are very sensitive to consistancy, and how you hold / rest them from the bench - it really shows at longer range) will find those groups shrinking.  I'll bet in time, you will see groups that size, or smaller at 100 yards, and thats not bad.  A lot of rifles with scopes are lucky to do 2 inches at 100 yards, though most shooters will not admit it...lol   Next time you are at a public range, watch what kind of groups most shooters acheive.

That said, yes, their are 1 1/2 - 2 inch at 100 yards revolvers out there, but rare, requiring an exceptional gun and shooter under perfect conditions.  Reality is most shooters cant do that at 25 yards.   Remember what has already been said here - a bench shows you your most accurate loads, not what you can do when you are shooting from an improvised rest, breathing hard, in less then ideal weather and light, as would be the case in a real hunting situation.  My standard has always been what range can you keep all your shots on a paper plate?  Thats a good limit, be it 25 yards, or way longer.  Just remember, just like guys who take 700 yard shots at game animals with rifles, pushing the envelope at extreme range with a revolver while hunting is not fair to the animal, and not what the sport is about.  Handgun hunting, like archery, is a close range affair, that puts a premium on hunting skills.  Save the extreme range shooting for practice / fun on non living targets.  Good luck

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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2009, 01:16:12 AM »
Big Easy-Excellent post. My SRH .454 with some pretty hot 300 gr handloads has given me 3" groups at 125 yds from a makeshift rest, so I was very pleased. I only tried that range because I wanted to know the drop from my 50 yd zero. The only way I would shoot game at that distance was if it stood there long enough for me to build a bench, grab a chair and fill a bag with sand. I admire all the guys who just instinctively point a shoot with pinpoint accuracy at long ranges but my aging eyes and caffeinated hands aren't up to it.

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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2009, 04:41:21 AM »
Big Easy-Excellent post.

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Heck there Gdbyrd, I'd like to consistently get 3" groups at 50 yards with my SBH!   :-[  But then I don't fire 500-1500 rounds a week!   :o  That could add up to some serious sheckels there fella!   ;D  maybe not if one just used primers and wax bullets indoors...  :-\   wait, I can't even do that!   :(  I haven't been able to get large pistol primers in months...  :'(
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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2009, 10:12:01 AM »
I have to agree with several other posters....your groups are not that bad.  Realize, I didn't say they were good.  I've been shooting handguns with scopes for the past 5-6 years....(eyes ), my Encore and Contenders will do much better...the Encore (44 mag, 12") will shoot 2-3 inch groups at 100 yds, the Contender (22 lr, 14") will shoot sub 1/2 at 50 yds. Of course I'm talking bagged from a bench.  My SBH Bisley Hunter, scoped (2X Leo) will shoot 2 inch groups at 50 yds, thats with my handloads.  My SRH 454 will shoot 45C 1-2 inchs at 50 yds.  I've not tried either at longer ranges....my hunting location limits me to 35 to 50 yd shots.  My guess , with more practice and finding the right ammo will shrink the groups.  I do agree with GB , the "out of the box" Ruger, probably isn't the revolver of choice for the Bullseye shooter....but I love them, they're built like tanks !

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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2009, 03:08:58 AM »
i agree with bigeasy...bench accuracy and hunting accuracy are two totally different things. your 3-5" groups will kill deer if you do you do your part. Put a gallon milk jug out there at 75 yds,fill it with water and practice shooting at it from positions you would likely use while hunting. Keep in mind that when hunting you will not have all day to line up the shot.when you can make the water fly most every time you're pretty good....when you can hit bigeasy's paper plate at unsupported positions you are good.There's a big difference in shooting for score and hunting...hunting is about putting a good bullet at a proper velocity in the kill zone(about the size of that paper plate)...good luck

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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2009, 07:22:57 AM »
I have a SRH/44mag/7.5" that I have shot and hunted with for over a decade.    It wears iron sights.  When I first got the revolver I was only used to shooting 22's and 45 acp.   the 44 mag is a different animal indeed.   My first outing was about the same as yours.   I did find however that developing handloads that the SRH liked was the key to accuracy from the bench.   After that I went for hunting accuracy from a standing position.    My SRH likes Hornady XTP's 240 gr over a near max load of 2400.    Found this load in 1993 and have used it ever since. 
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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2009, 07:48:25 PM »
Gdbyrd I have to throw some stuff in here. You did not mention what Ammo you were using. But I will say like one other person did that you can not go wrong with the Hornady 240Gr HP/XTP but you may find it will shoot the 300Gr HP/XTP better. Now if you do take up reloading a bullet I have had great luck with is the Lee 310Gr with 21.0 to 21.5Gr of W-296 or H-110 and a standard LPP. I would try both powders as one gun may like one powder over the other even if they are shown with the same loads. No I do not know why this is so lol.

But again I have found the Ruger Super Blackhawks to prefer the 300Gr'ers plus better than the lighter ones. I am still working on a new Ruger Super Blackhawk Bisley Stainless Steel Hunter in .44 Mag I just picked up a couple of weeks ago. :)

But for some more info on what I am going to run with will be the UltraDot Matchdot with a WEIGAND COMBAT Silver Redhawk Mount to mount the scope to as it is a 30MM tube and is larger than the factory scope mounts will accept.

I got this through Brownels.


Ultradot West is the place to go for these. :)



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A scope is great if you are going to do load testing and or hunt in good day light but when the light gets dim or if you hunt at night for say HOG the scope is just a black hole lol. So if you hunt I would really look into the Ultradot Matchdot as it has a good small 2 Moa dot for target or close work and a largerdots from 4 6 and 8 for hunting and will not be affected by the recoil of a .44 Mag. :)

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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2009, 11:44:06 AM »
I have to agree with "easy", I limit myself to the range that I can keep all of my shots in a paper plate.  I practice shooting from the position that I use when I;m hunting.  When hunting, I'm usually setting with my back against a tree, so that's how I practice.  With my gun, I can keep my shots in a paper plate out to 80 yards consistantly if I don't jerk the trigger, so I try to limit myself to that distance when hunting.

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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2009, 11:58:36 AM »
I'm agreeing with what's been said so far but now I'll throw my 2 cents in. If your SRH still has a stock trigger and it's like mine was then part of the accuracy problem may be a heavy trigger pull with some creep added in. Mine had a terrible trigger. If you can find a load that your pistol likes and get that trigger to a crisp 3 pounds or so I believe your groups should shrink when shooting from a rest.
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Re: What's normal accuracy? SRH
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2009, 08:18:33 AM »
Go hunt, you got all the accuracy you need for hunting deer in the woods.  I have only shot one deer with a hand gun so I am not a big hand gun hunter.  But I am with the rest, I handgun hunt in controlled conditions as close range my deer was shot at 50 yards bang, run stop flop, all took about 10 seconds that lasted a life time.  My word of advice is if you want to handgun hunt don't take a rifle with you, I take both and rarely ever use my pistol due to the ease of the rifle.  Good luck.