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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2009, 12:18:04 PM »
My Dad spent the last 7 days of his life in a hospital, Mom and my two brothers had to make the call to not stick the breathing hoses into him and make it last another month, Dad did not want that either. So we made the call, they tried to talk us out of it, but after us boys said heck no...Mom stepped in looked at the Doctors right in the eye and said what would you do if it was your Dad?  They just looked down said OK...we got some good quality time with him said everything we wanted to say, and then told the nurse to turn on the morphine as much as she could witout going to jail...she winked and knew what to do.
Government should hopefully never got involved unless as you say, there are no interested family...and then I'm afraid the hospitals might milk keeping people alive just for the money in it.  Can't trust government to make any logical calls, everything is based on legislation which is based on emotional knee jerk stuff to look like they care.  More than likely though...National health care would pick and choose who lives or dies based on their criteria on who is "worth" saving when it comes to removing a brain tumor or something expensive.

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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2009, 02:15:57 PM »
Sharke:

During the final days, the hospice system-- a worthy charity indeed! -- is a great comfort to all involved, from the dying person to the person's family. They know just what to do, and how to do it. It really helps the dying person's quality of life at that unique time.  If you're looking for a charity to give to, investigate your local hospices and consider giving to them.

The only official end-of-life government policies that come immediately to mind:
1) burying indigent dead in a numbered hole
2) abortion as a constitutional right
3) estate tax
4) recording the cause of death
5) legislation paid for by lobbyists of the "elder law" lobby, whose purpose is not to advocate for the dying person, but to see to it that the dead person's estate is put into the hands of the people who paid the elder law lawyer.

Now that the blue dog democrats and others have sold out, you can add
6) euthanasia by neglect
7) enfeeblement by neglect


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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2009, 02:17:55 PM »
Questor,

Super, mega dittos.  Hospice is a GREAT organization, service, I just don't want to call them early.
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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2009, 04:35:53 PM »
Skarke:

I didn't see the reference to an algorithm. Was there one that determines when it's time to go to the soylent green factory for processing?
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2009, 04:59:54 PM »
House bill pages 425 thru 430.

Wow!!!!!  This stuff is getting almost like a science fiction movie, BUT IT"S REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2009, 05:12:40 PM »
Thanks. I heard the Obama press conference on it this evening and it reminded me of the movie THX 1138. None of what he said matched up with reality. But it sounded good, and that's all that matters to 2/3s of the people in this country.

By the way, nice redfish. I love fishing for them. Zara spook is my favorite lure for them.
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2009, 05:40:05 PM »
Skarke:

Do you have a link to the bill? I can't find the full text. Thanks.
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2009, 02:30:00 AM »
I am against it because the Congress, Senate, and president do not consider it adequate for their medical needs.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2009, 03:06:51 AM »
TM7,

Certainly, there are doctors that make way over average, just as there are other professionals.  Surgeons, anesthesiologists, oncologists make considerably more.  But, where we have a shortage is in primary care, precisely because the pay is so low for the training required for licensure.

http://www.payscale.com/af/aol/calculatorB.aspx?selectedJobTitle=Physician+%2f+Doctor%2c+General+Practice&jobTitle=Physician&city=Houston&state=Texas&country=United+States

I listened to Cortese's speech (oft quoted by those proposing a government run healthcare system, though TM7 is not, he supports a single payer system) and he in one of the chief proponents of limiting late life access to healthcare, based on essentially actuarials, as a "cost saving" measure.

Under new legislation, it will be illegal for Physicians not to participate in the government mandated systems.  So, if one wants to practice at all, a PC physician must be willing to accept whatever the bureaucrats say is "reasonable and customary", even though it might cost him $25 over his reimbursement to treat someone, just for the privilege of treating his patient.  This is why so many have opted out of the Medicare AND medicaid payer systems.
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2009, 03:07:56 AM »
I am against it because the Congress, Senate, and president do not consider it adequate for their medical needs.
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Excellent point. If it is good enough for them it should be good enough for us, too. Only thing is they have a so-called socialized system; and the American masses have been conditioned to be gun shy about such things. Thusly, you're going to get a 'hybrid' system at our expense that goes like this:  "Socialization of costs...Privatization of profits." It is a shame this reform...actually creation of a HC system, couldn't be done correctly to benefit Americans.

...TM7


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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2009, 03:59:57 AM »
TM7:

I hope you enjoy the new system when it passes.

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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2009, 04:03:57 AM »
TM obviously I said my comments in jest. The government knows this socialism health care will be a failure that is why they are opting out. Someone with your health concerns will be the first to be left behind by socialism care.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2009, 04:54:12 AM »
slim rem 7, this is the medical ethics question that is front and center before us as a society.  My question remains, do we want the government bureaucrats making these decisions, or might it be best to educate and inform the patient, or the family when the patient is incapacitated, about end of life decisions (we do an extremely poor job of education now, per TM7s previous posts)?

This still leaves the question of what to do in those cases where a person lacks interested family.  Do we assign an advocate?

Tough, tough problems.

i  don't mean this as  a personal  attack   just  a  good  example


if  WE  are speaking in  first person  plural

WE  have  already  lost the arguement

half  the  people  think medical care  is something  WE  are  intitled to

and  WE  must  decide  what  to  do [or  those  decideing for  US  should do]

why  do  WE  have to decide about the indegent??-----is  he  ENTITLE  to  OUR  money
give him  yours  if  you  like........i  won't
but  when   WE  pay  his  bills  the  government  takes  my money  with threat  of  violence




my  point  is  when  WE  discuss  or  even  think  in  first person plural
WE  have  accepted  liberalism   and  abandoned   idividualism
think about  it
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
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AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2009, 05:24:32 AM »
That little Armadillo really turned out to be a cockroach.

Shootall:
 The Canadian system isn't set up to pay the much higher costs for outside the country services unless there is some sort of arrangement made from the Province to a specific hospital providing service that is not available in Canada or the waiting time is excessive.
As you know the US fees are "adjustable" depending for whom they are and who is paying. 
Our  MD( GP) get paid $ 26 per visit from the Province, there is no additional billing to us. Compare that to whatever you have to lay out unless you are covered by a private HC at what cost.

I'm not pushing our system, it is what we got and it works just fine for me.
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2009, 08:30:01 AM »
BBF fantastic !
I'm American and value freedom to decide my own way not be at the mercy of a govt.
Its things like this that cause revolutions and we don't need that .
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2009, 02:18:29 PM »
Health Reform’s Hidden Victims
 
   
By JOHN FUND

President Barack Obama’s health-care sales pitch depends on his ability to obfuscate who is likely to get hurt by reform. At Wednesday’s news conference, for example, he was asked “specifically what kind of pain and sacrifice” he would ask of patients in order to achieve the cost savings he promises.

He insisted he “won’t reduce Medicare benefits” but instead would “make delivery more efficient.” The most Mr. Obama would concede is that some people will have to “give up paying for things that don’t make you healthier.” That is simply not credible.

While Democrats on Capitol Hill dispute claims that individuals will lose their existing coverage under their reform plans, on other issues many Democrats privately acknowledge some people will indeed get whacked to pay for the new world of government-dominated health care.

Democrats have been brilliant in keeping knowledge about the pain and sacrifice of health reform from the very people who would bear the brunt of them. They’ve done so by convincing health-care industry groups not to run the kind of “Harry and Louise”-style ads that helped sink HillaryCare in 1993.

Sen. Tom Coburn (R., Okla.) says the pressure not to run ads has been “intense, bordering on extortion.” “Groups were told if they did they’d give up their seat at the table,” says former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. “What they weren’t told is that they’d be at the table as lunch.”

Here are some of the groups on the menu if anything like the existing Senate or House health plans become law:

• Young people. If the government mandates that everyone must have health insurance, healthy young people will have to buy policies that don’t reflect the low risk they have of getting sick. The House and Senate bills do let insurers set premiums based on age, but only up to a 2-to-1 ratio, versus a real-world ratio of 5 to 1. This means lower prices for older (and wealthier) folks, but high prices for the young. “They’ll have sticker shock,” says Rep. Paul Ryan, ranking Republican on the Budget Committee.

• Small Businesses. Employers who don’t provide coverage will have to pay a tax up to 8% of their payroll. Yet those who do provide coverage also have to pay the tax—if the law says their coverage is not “adequate.” Amazingly, even if a small business provides adequate insurance but its employees choose coverage in another plan offered through the government, the employer still must pay.

• Health Savings Account (HSA) holders. Eight million Americans, according to the Treasury Department, are covered by plans with low-cost premiums and high deductibles that are designed for large, unexpected medical costs. Money is also set aside in a savings account to cover the deductibles, and whatever isn’t spent in one year can build up tax-free. Nearly a third of new HSA users, according to Treasury figures, previously had no insurance or bought coverage on their own.

These policies will be severely limited. The Senate plan says a policy deemed “acceptable” must have insurance (rather than the individual) pay out at least 76% of the benefits. The House plan is pegged at 70%. That’s not the way these plans are set up to work. Ray Ramthun, who implemented the HSA regulations at the Treasury Department in 2003, says the regulations are crippling. “Companies tell me they could be forced to take products off the market,” he said in an interview.

• Medicare Advantage users. Mr. Obama and Congressional Democrats want to cut back this program—care provided by private companies and subsidized by the government. Medicare Advantage grew by 15% last year; 10.5 million seniors, or 22% of all Medicare patients, are now enrolled.

The program is especially popular with those in badly served urban areas and with those who can’t afford the premiums for Medicare supplemental (MediGap) policies. A total of 54% of Hispanics on Medicare have chosen Medicare Advantage, as have 40% of African-Americans, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services at the Department of Health and Human Services.

These plans tend to provide better coordinated and preventive care, and richer prescription drug coverage. But Democrats dislike Medicare Advantage’s private-sector nature, and they have some legitimate beefs with its unevenly generous reimbursement rates. This week Mr. Obama told the Washington Post that the program was “a prime example” of his efforts to cut Medicare spending, because he claims people “aren’t getting good value” from it.

That’s not what others say. In January, Oregon’s Democratic Gov. Ted Kulongoski wrote the Obama administration expressing his concern about its efforts “to scale back Medicare Advantage” because the plans “play an important role in providing affordable health coverage.” He noted that 39% of Oregon’s Medicare patients had chosen Medicare Advantage, and that in “some of our Medicare Advantage plans . . . with proper chronic disease management for such conditions as heart disease, asthma and diabetes, hospitalization admission rates have declined.”

The $156 billion in Medicare Advantage cuts over the next decade proposed by Mr. Obama will force many seniors to go back to traditional Medicare at greater expense. A new study for the Florida Association of Health Plans found that because Medicare Advantage plans have richer benefits and lower deductibles and copayments than traditional Medicare, seniors in that state would face dramatically higher payments if forced to give up their Medicare Advantage plans. Cost increases would range from $2,214 a year in Jacksonville to $3,714 a year in Miami.

There are reasons that Blue Dog Democrats in Congress are leery of their party’s health-care reform plans. Many are in districts or states carried by John McCain, and they worry about the political fallout when these groups realize they will be paying for health-care reform.

They also know that every government entitlement winds up becoming a money pit. In 1965, Sen. Allen Ellender (D., La.) dismissed promises that Medicare would be a modest program to save seniors from bankruptcy. “Let us not be so naďve as to believe that the Medicare program will not be increased from year to year to the point that the government will have to impose more taxes on the little man or else take the necessary money out of the Treasury,” he told colleagues.

Ellender was right, and his warning is even more relevant in our era of skyrocketing deficits and Medicare costs. The only way the House and Senate health plans can pass is if the costs they impose on vulnerable parts of the population continue to be hidden.

Mr. Fund is a WSJ.com columnist.
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2009, 02:58:20 PM »
45-70,

Read your post, but, I'm not really following, can you paraphrase for me?  Sorry, sometimes I'm a little slow ???
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2009, 04:45:29 PM »
45-70,

Read your post, but, I'm not really following, can you paraphrase for me?  Sorry, sometimes I'm a little slow ???

i  was  pointing  out  how so  many  people  think  in  the  first person  plural
if  i say  what ''I'' need  in the way of  health care  first  person  singular.......i  decide no one  else
if  i sar ''you'' need   what  ever 2nd person  sigular.........then  you  skarke  can  decide
if  i say  ''you''  2nd person  plural.....................ya'll  get  to  decide  not  me
if  i say what he  or she needs..3rd person  singular       he  or she  decides......not  you or  i
if  i say  what '' they need''    3rd person plural.........they  decide  not  you or i


back  to  first person  plural  ''US''  or  ''WE''

talking  and  thinking  in  first person  plural

WE DECIDE  WHAT  WE  NEED

how  do  WE  do  that ?

WE  elect people  to represent  US  then  they  decide for  US

if  what  i need  is   different  then  what  you  need

oh  well  WE  all get the same  thing

WE  are  now  US  no  longer  individuals

i  know  what is  in  my  head  and have trouble putting   it  into  words

but  please  do not  take any  offence for using you for an  example
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2009, 04:47:02 PM »
To answer as best as I can.
Shootall: There are scammers in both countries, if those people really get sick and go south for treatment it will come out of their own pockets more then likely. I would presume whatever money they scammed here will not be enough to pay for their Med bills in the US.

rak 55. Our HC is not free, as someone pointed out, very few things are.
Canadians pay for their HC in different ways depending on the Province they live in.
As example
Through the general tax funds, in my Province. The Province also has a plan that helps with drug costs depending on your income.
Direct payment into a Provincial Plan, in British Columbia which could be shared between an employer and employee.
A seperate  Personal Income Tax levy( similar to a surcharge) depending on your Income as in Ontario.
British Columbia has a reduced payment schedule as low as zero at a certain income level.

Questor: I am closer to 70 then 60. I do have an additional non-government HC plan through my last employer which covers part  of drug, vision and hearing costs. Some of these are covered by a  percentage basis, others are capped at a maximum. As an example, every five years I can get new glasses for a maximum of 400 dollars. Hearing aids are similar low coverage items. The biggest costs to us and most helpful is a 80% coverage on prescription drugs. My portion of the plan costs me less then $ 60/month for myself and wife. Both of us had necessary surgeries that we could never have been able to pay ourselves. If and when we travel outside of Canada over 40 days we will need to purcase additional coverage and that can be steep.


Sounds like your getting the shaft to me.
My health care through my employer cost nothing my wife is covered for 60 dollars a month my cost. My wife and I can get a new glasses every year and it is fully covered. Two dental check ups with cleanings for each of us per year payed for. Prescriptions are copay $20 for name brand and $10 for generic. All other medical 80% covered with a $500 per year deductible. And the best part I don't have to jump through government hoops like a trained monkey.  The government has no say in how I use it and I'm not forced into the plan.

I can't believe any thinking person in this country would for a minute assume that government supplied health care is a good idea. Government has screwed up every thing that it has touched. The biggest problems with our current health care system is government regulations  that drive up costs and government inaction that does nothing control costs. Costs which are not absorbed by the suppliers they are a business and like any business they mark up thier costs and pass it on to the customers.
Has government tried to work out these problems to help bring down health care costs? NO.
Has government done anything that would help health care providers lower costs, or pass regulations that would bring down costs. NO.
The bottom line here is they already have the power to fix the problem, but they don't want that they want total control.
I realize that even if the system was running at a manageable level there would still be those that would fall through the cracks. I am a charitable person and I'm sure many of you are. I will help a person out when I can, but that is my choice. The government should not supply  charity after all it is our money not theirs.
This current government is the product of of non thinkers, non producer, and dead weights who vote. Government controlled parasites who feed off of the rest of us . And the government is trying to force us all down to the same level as the most useless amongst us. This government no longer serves us it seeks to rule us and this health care thing is the fast track to that end.

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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2009, 04:44:41 AM »
Pat:
Your employer is paying for your plan and it is presumably part of your pay package.

Shootall:
As far as I know, nobody has ever been arrested in Canada by not enrolling into the HC. You can go as a private patient. I'm not sure you get in front of the line if you do.

As it looks now, the Bill is stalled somewhere and won't get any further 'til Fall. By that time the political picture has probably changed enough to make other matters more important.
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2009, 07:16:27 AM »
ONE CAN ONLY HOPE !
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2009, 08:04:33 AM »
45-70,  You've never offended anyone that I can recall, I always enjoy conversing with you.

If I follow, are you proposing a Greek style democracy in place of a democratic republic?

FYI, I grow more libertarian as I grow older.
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2009, 08:17:33 AM »
Pat:
Your emplyer is paying for your plan and it is presumably part of your pay package.


You are correct and I see no need to let the government mess with this system.
They have miss managed everything they have gotten their hands on to date. There is not one thing that any government supplies that can not be gotten cheaper and better from the private sector. Health care will be no different it will just be more socialism and less freedom.
I want nothing from the government except that they stay out of my way, out of life and out my pockets.

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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2009, 08:45:30 AM »
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I want nothing from the government except that they stay out of my way, out of life and out my pockets.

So profound and true!

Should be the new National slogan, at least for the "new united states"  when we rebuild this after it selfdestructs
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2009, 02:40:23 AM »
 :)    :)Pat:
Fat chance of that to happen, since they are in my pocket and not about to get out of them I might as well "enjoy" some of the programs.
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2009, 10:15:17 AM »
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Fat chance of that to happen, since they are in my pocket and not about to get out of them I might as well "enjoy" some of the programs.

This mindset is exactly what is wrong with this country today.  If people still held a few values such as Pride, Honor, and Integrity they wouldn't sell out to the government and essentially let their freedoms go in exchange for things that they and only themselves are responsible for taking care of.  Today people are too busy enjoying the bribes of the government to really stand up and let their opinions be known and help stop the corruption.

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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2009, 10:19:52 AM »
This mindset is exactly what is wrong with this country today.  ...people are too busy enjoying the bribes of the government to really stand up and let their opinions be known and help stop the corruption.

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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2009, 11:43:40 AM »
I didn't mean to end this discussion.  I was just stating my opinion.  Sry

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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2009, 12:14:54 PM »
Well Heather I don't think you ended this discussion. You just stated the complete truth about this subject. I think you embarrassed the bribe takers into shutting up.
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Re: Why am I against Government health care
« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2009, 12:55:28 PM »
oldshooter, i don't think it's wrong for canadians to add information when sourdough who originated this thread drew his conclusions from our system. sharing information is good communication. so you have facts to use for your arguments. what canadians lack mostly is the high end medical services in diagnostics and new procedures. so some waiting lists are long. your private health care facilities and university research/involvement are much larger because of the sheer size of your population and your financial wealth as a whole. so there are so many more high end options. but our system actually has a more uniform opportunity for all citizens to recieve all basic health care needs. and thru the generic drug options we actually provide alot of common prescription drugs to cross border shopping americians. we could probably find some common ground for all our people with abit of communication.
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