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A defeat for concealed carry
« on: July 22, 2009, 06:56:18 AM »
Note the vote counts. Party lines, apparently.

http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aeHPzb555I_0

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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 07:42:30 AM »
Just for redhawk1 . That's the nra for you.

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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 07:53:55 AM »
That is too bad for us on the border between N.Y. and CT.
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 08:43:25 AM »
it only makes the 2010 mid term much more important .
Don't count the NRA out last time the libs set out to hurt them they lost their azz !
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 01:50:26 PM »
Only 2 votes, they are talking about bringing it up again in August.
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2009, 02:13:19 PM »
I can understand why this didn't win out the way it's written.  I can see why a state should have the right to not recognize another states permit.  A license is a different story, but I think states have the right to make their own rules about what they'll acept.  Even looking at it that way, it would have been a big victory for gun rights and the 2nd.  The vote count was nice though.

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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2009, 03:06:49 PM »
Just for redhawk1 . That's the nra for you.

Of course I could say that's the NRA & GOA for you, but that would be as stupid as your remark!  ::)
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2009, 03:40:39 PM »

Senate rejects bid to carry concealed weapons across state lines
Dianne Feinstein, who voted against the bill, called it a 'grave threat to public safety.' But the NRA argued that 'the right to self-defense does not end at state lines.'
By Richard Simon
July 23, 2009
Reporting from Washington -- The Senate on Wednesday narrowly defeated an effort to allow gun owners to carry their concealed weapons across state lines.

The 58-39 vote, short of the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster, once again highlighted divisions within the Democratic Party over the gun issue. Twenty Democrats, including Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, joined 38 Republicans in supporting the measure.

The legislation would have allowed people who have concealed-weapon permits in their home states to take their firearms into other states -- including California and others that currently prohibit the practice.

"An individual should be able to exercise their 2nd Amendment constitutional right and be able to travel through individual states," said Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), the measure's chief sponsor. He added that under the measure, a gun owner would have been required to abide by the laws of the host state, including following any restrictions on where concealed weapons can be carried.

The National Rifle Assn., which has vowed to work to bring the legislation back, said that "the right to self-defense does not end at state lines."

Gun rights advocates had been hopeful the measure would pass after a string of surprising victories in the Democratic-controlled Congress.

Earlier this year, lawmakers voted to allow visitors to carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges. The Senate voted to limit Washington, D.C.'s gun control laws, and a House committee voted to prevent public housing projects from restricting legally owned guns.

But Wednesday's vote, said Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg (D-N.J.), is evidence that the gun lobby's "grip on Congress is beginning to slip."

Opponents of the measure -- including Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, the International Assn. of Chiefs of Police and the mayors of Los Angeles and New York, among others -- called it an assault on states' rights and warned that it would increase gun violence.

"This is a grave threat to public safety," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) "Concealed-weapons laws that work in rural states may not be suitable in urban areas. What's good for Iowa or Alaska may not be good for California or New York."

Feinstein was joined by fellow California Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer in voting against the measure.

The issue poses a dilemma for Democrats who championed gun control in the 1980s and '90s but backed away from the issue after the 2000 election, when their party's presidential candidate, Al Gore, was believed to have lost support in rural states because of his gun control stance.

Party leaders strengthened their House and Senate majorities last year by winning seats in rural areas, and a number of newly elected Democratic senators were among those voting for the measure -- including Mark Begich of Alaska, Mark Udall of Colorado, Tom Udall of New Mexico and Kay Hagan of North Carolina.

Wednesday's bill would have allowed a firearms owner from a state with less stringent standards for securing a permit to bring his or her weapon into a state with tougher requirements.

The Los Angeles County sheriff, for example, requires permit holders to undergo eight hours of training. Mississippi residents can get a concealed-weapon permit without any training, according to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a gun control group.

Only a handful of states allow all out-of-state permit holders to carry weapons in their states. Others recognize permits only from some states, typically those with equivalent or higher standards. Illinois and Wisconsin do not issue permits for carrying a concealed weapon.

Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center, said after the vote that the measure's defeat was a "victory for those who support a sane national gun policy."

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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2009, 04:34:06 PM »
it only makes the 2010 mid term much more important .
Don't count the NRA out last time the libs set out to hurt them they lost their azz !
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2009, 06:58:51 PM »
Just for redhawk1 . That's the nra for you.

Hay smart guy, was it not the Senate that voted, the NRA is behind this bill, come on get some smarts here, your ignorance is showing.

Does it make you feel like a big man saying such STUPID stuff?  ::)  What are you doing about this, besides sitting on your thumbs?

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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 01:40:28 AM »
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That ain't been true for decades . Then the states could control their own education , speed limits , national guard etc. etc. etc.
You are talking states rights and most states sold out in the 50's and 60's so they could "get their share of the fed pie ( read bribe ) .
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 01:49:31 AM »
Red, I guess it sounds to me that someone was in support of Feinstein and company.
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2009, 03:42:45 AM »
Just for redhawk1 . That's the nra for you.

Hay smart guy, was it not the Senate that voted, the NRA is behind this bill, come on get some smarts here, your ignorance is showing.

Does it make you feel like a big man saying such STUPID stuff?  ::)  What are you doing about this, besides sitting on your thumbs?


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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2009, 05:13:47 AM »
Just for redhawk1 . That's the nra for you.

Hay smart guy, was it not the Senate that voted, the NRA is behind this bill, come on get some smarts here, your ignorance is showing.

Does it make you feel like a big man saying such STUPID stuff?  ::)  What are you doing about this, besides sitting on your thumbs?


Just having fun with you. :D

Personally I don't find it amusing or funny. It is a serious topic for me.
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2009, 05:23:35 AM »
This is why we could loose our rights to hunt and protect ourselves . Put silly personal BS away and stick togather for the main cause .
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2009, 05:28:47 AM »
harry  reed  trying  to  win  points at  home   probly  knowing  it would fail

he  voted  to pass  it  but  he is still the enemy

when and  if  it passes  we  will give  up  SOMETHING  to get  it

just  like ronold reagan  gave  up full autos in  1986   for  gunshow freedoms

those  2 republicans  need to be addressed.....with  a name  like  LUGAR  i would  expect  more
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2009, 05:30:35 AM »
teddy12b
That ain't been true for decades . Then the states could control their own education , speed limits , national guard etc. etc. etc.
You are talking states rights and most states sold out in the 50's and 60's so they could "get their share of the fed pie ( read bribe ) .

I know the states sold out for federal money a long time ago.  Lately there have been some states trying to govern themselves again and I wish my state would do the same. 

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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2009, 07:49:30 AM »
I agree
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2009, 09:51:50 AM »

In Oregon, we have two Liberal Democrats misrepresenting us.Before the last election we had one Liberal Democrat, and one Liberal Republican (Gordon Smith)

I emailed both Democrats regarding the Concealed carry .....Thune-Vitter amendment.
Below is a response from one of them (Sen. Merkley) and then my reply to his response.

From: Senator_Merkley@Merkley.senate.gov
To: bradl43@q.com
Subject: In response to your email about gun control legislation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:39:41 -0400

 

Dear Brad,

 Thank you for contacting me to express your views on gun control legislation.  It is an honor to serve as your Senator, and I appreciate hearing your views on this important issue.

 I understand that many Oregonians cherish their second amendment rights, and I support the ability of law abiding gun owners to own and use firearms.  At the same time, however, I believe that we must protect our children and ensure that deadly weapons do not fall into the hands of criminals.  For this reason, I support common sense measures that help keep our communities safe including mandatory background checks and closing the gun show loophole that permits unlicensed private vendors to sell privately-owned guns at gun shows without background checks.

 I will continue to stand for sportsmen and law abiding citizens, and protect their constitutional right to bear arms.

 Thank you, again, for sharing your thoughts with me, and please continue to keep me informed about issues that concern you.

 All my best, Jeff Merkley
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Senator Merkley,

We are talking about law abiding citizens, that go through the legal system to carry a weapon in concealment to protect their lives. Not criminals that could care less about a federal or state law.I was referring to the Vitter?Thune amendment to the Dep. of Defense Authorization bill.

The number of people with concealed permits committing gun crimes is almost unheard of.That old tired....We must protect the children excuse does not wash here. People that take the time to go though the legal procedures to obtain that license, would not jeopardize it, by selling it to a thug, to be used in a street crime to kill children.

I had hopes ,that you, and Senator Wyden would follow the lead of some of your Democrat colleagues, and vote for the Thune/Vitter Amendment, but I see that didn't happen.

"Rest assured" Freedom loving Americans will not give up the fight to retain their rights guaranteed under the Constitution.
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2009, 04:56:43 PM »
what  if  the law  passes in the future

but  you are  ONLY  allowed to  carry  THE REGISTERED  gun   on  that permit??

will  that  be considered  a win??
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2009, 01:32:32 AM »
45-70 good ? in Va before the SHALL issue a ccp if you applied you had to list the ser# of the gun on the form just to apply . And it was the only gun you could carry .
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2009, 02:10:38 AM »
what  if  the law  passes in the future

but  you are  ONLY  allowed to  carry  THE REGISTERED  gun   on  that permit??

will  that  be considered  a win??

I would not call it a victory, but a step in the right direction. Once we get our foot in the door, we can make amendments to the bill.
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2009, 05:32:43 PM »
what  if  the law  passes in the future

but  you are  ONLY  allowed to  carry  THE REGISTERED  gun   on  that permit??

will  that  be considered  a win??

I would not call it a victory, but a step in the right direction. Once we get our foot in the door, we can make amendments to the bill.




once  they get their  foot in the  door  on registration......
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i  was  watching  someone   on  TV ..dont  remember  who

but  some  democrats  voted to win points  at  home

but were preparied  to change  and  vote  against 
if  it   looked  like  it  might  pass


never trust ANY  democrat  and  few  republicans
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Re: A defeat for concealed carry
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2009, 10:43:49 AM »
Don't completely trust any politician.  The reason is in the name......politician.  They bend with the wind.  We need to get back to government by and for the people.....not run by politicians.

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