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Boer Artillery
« on: July 22, 2009, 10:25:52 AM »
Just got this.

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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 10:34:29 AM »
Just got another.

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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 11:51:01 AM »
DD that is some interesting info  I am firmilar with a few of those guns, there are examples of some here in the states,

The Skoda Artillery has always interested me, I have an original catalog from around this period.
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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 02:16:51 PM »
I was looking for details on Seeppot.  My "rare Boer strap Mortar"  May evolve into into a replica of Seeppot.

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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 03:48:16 PM »
Here's Seeppot:



I am going to have to get one of those hats!!!
 

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2009, 04:30:57 PM »
DD are you sure this is a strap mortar? To me this looks like it's cast one piece, there is also a slight rim at the muzzle and the back looks to be rounded not flat.

this may not be the photo your looking for.


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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2009, 04:43:18 PM »
Ah, Alan, don't let anybody know, but the "strap mortar" is a fantasy mortar, made up like a Confederate Mortar using straps to hold the tunnion so we can shoot in next month.  Building into Seeppot should take place this winter.

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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2009, 04:49:19 PM »
Ah, Allen, don't let anybody know, but the "strap mortar" is a fantasy mortar, made up like a Confederate Mortar using straps to hold the tunnion so we can shoot in next month.  Building into Seeppot should take place this winter.

Got ya! I was wondering about this project, your strap mortar was the first I had heard of this type of attachment relating to Boer or any other mortars........
I do like the thinking behind it.
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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2009, 05:21:48 PM »
Allen,  I was wondering if I was going to get away with it.  Boomj usually catches me right away...hey if we are real quiet, maybe he won't catch on...  ;D

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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2009, 05:28:54 PM »
 ;) O.K. SHHHHH! I won't tell him :-X
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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 01:32:08 AM »
Doug,

Thanks for posting the pics and text on the Boer ordnance.

BTW, I was wondering what the heck a "strap mortar" was. :D

RIP John. While on vacation July 4th 2013 in northern Wisconsin, he was ATVing with family and pulled ahead of everyone and took off at break-neck speed without a helmet. He lost control.....hit a tree....and the tree won.  He died instantly.

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 01:56:16 AM »
BTW, I was wondering what the heck a "strap mortar" was. :D

 I'm surprised at your lack of knowledge here, Boom J.

 The strap mortar was designed to fire cans of blackstrap molasses. High in iron content (for weight), and the sticky goo held the enemy in place long enough to shoot them with a rifle.

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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2009, 02:21:35 AM »
BTW, I was wondering what the heck a "strap mortar" was. :D

 I'm surprised at your lack of knowledge here, Boom J.

 The strap mortar was designed to fire cans of blackstrap molasses. High in iron content (for weight), and the sticky goo held the enemy in place long enough to shoot them with a rifle.

 ;D

Victor,
 That, of course, would have been my first guess. :D
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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2009, 05:05:56 AM »
Hi DD
I have some pictures off Seeppot Number 24 standing at Fort Klapperkop in Pretoria and off number 4 in the museum of military history in JHB. I will try and measure one of the up and make a Drawing off it. As soon as I figure out how to post pictures I will do so.


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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2009, 05:14:35 AM »
Wonderful.  While living in SA, I never got to the military museum in JHB.  To much to see in do in Durban.

Pictures would be lovely. Based on what the Seeppot Mortar looked like, here’s what I need in pictures.  Straight right, straight front, straight rear, straight left, cap squares and how they hold the trunnion.  Measurement  of length and width of base, height of corners of base. Measurements of the diameter of the Trunnion. Measurement of distant from bottom of Trunnion to bottom of the of Base.  Diameter of the muzzle.  If the muzzle has a reinforcing ring the diameter just behind the ring.

And thank you very much.

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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2009, 05:28:49 AM »
I have just created an acount to host my pictures as you indicated in the sticky's. Once that is up and going I will attempt to post the pictures. The pictures I got does not have the wooden base but a steel base and that is on both mortars.

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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2009, 06:22:16 AM »
Right DD here is the Pictures.







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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2009, 06:57:36 AM »
From what your posted If you were to get me the muzzle diameter and the trunnion diameter, I can scale the wooden base.

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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2009, 04:38:23 AM »
DD I will try and get there next week thats if I am not going Mozambique on business other wise I will do it in 2 weeks time.

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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2009, 04:48:53 AM »
There is no rush, this is in the design stage right now.  Its a winter time project. Our winter, not yours... ;D

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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2009, 08:50:23 PM »
I am going to have to get one of those hats!!!

Didn't Jethro have a hat like that on the "Beverly Hillbillies"? Or maybe I'm thinking about
Pancho Villa.
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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2009, 05:32:41 AM »
I remember Jethro had an iron hat in his "double-naught spy" phase.

He would usually end up knocking himself cold with it.

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2009, 06:03:01 AM »
Jethro doesn't sound like a Boer name, was he from the Transvaal?

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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2009, 06:56:57 PM »
PM Fourie,

Thanks for posting pics of this mortar, it's an interesting piece, I've never seen cap squares that join to the bracket of the bed like these do.
RIP John. While on vacation July 4th 2013 in northern Wisconsin, he was ATVing with family and pulled ahead of everyone and took off at break-neck speed without a helmet. He lost control.....hit a tree....and the tree won.  He died instantly.

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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2009, 06:10:59 AM »
DD I have measured the Seep Pot today Drawn it up and copied it to a word document.

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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2009, 07:36:27 AM »
PM Fourie,

WOW! ;D those are some detailed drawings  I have saved a set for a future project.

thank you for taking the time to draw and post these.


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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2009, 07:38:17 AM »
Jethro doesn't sound like a Boer name, was he from the Transvaal?

Naw he was from Beverly you know where they have them there cement swim'n holes.
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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2009, 08:16:23 AM »
PM.

Lovely man, lovely. I owe you a Windhoek!!

Thank you!!!

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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2009, 10:14:50 PM »
Thanks I will take you up on the windhoek one day. DD would you send me Drawings of the base once you have done them. I would also like to build me a Seep Pot.

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Re: Boer Artillery
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2009, 04:11:02 PM »
Pieter,

Drawings?  I'm old school!  There might be some rough sketches, but no drawings.  But I will share.  Mine will be a representation and not a replica.

A friend in SA sent more pictures of one of the mortars in SA. With your pictures and these new pictures, I learned something about the original.  The base is bronze also!  Dan and Gary will love it!