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Garden gun project..Finished.
« on: July 22, 2009, 05:58:23 PM »
I've been a little distracted lately, however I started a new project today.  I have a nice 22 LR takeoff barrel from some unknown rifle to use up.  I have a Versapack stub from my ill fated .14 cal project to use up.  So I bought a .227 piloted reamer and reamed the barrel to a smooth bore .227 baby shotgun for .22 shot cartridges.  I picked the .227 diameter so that any of the shot cartridges would work, both the crimped type and the type that have the shot in a plastic capsule.  The crimped type need the .227 to expand properly in the chamber area.  A .22 LR will chamber in a .227 hole slightly tighter than a standard chamber.  We will see how this works.  I think I will end up with a cylinder bore .22 cal shotgun barrel about 20 inches long, I will put some type of iron sights on it.  What kind of pattern do you think it will shoot with 30 grains of #12 shot in it?  Larry
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 06:56:14 PM »
I think yer havin to much fun Larry.  This one sounds like it will be a real pest getter close up.  I can almost see my 4 year old now talkin about "his" shotgun like he does "his" rifle. ;D  He shows every one that comes over his 22. ;D  That makes all 7 of my kids liking guns and shooting. 8)  DP
 
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Re: Garden gun project.
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 07:10:01 PM »
You know what?  When I am done with it, it's yours, or your kids, nice to see someone who appreciates the fine things in life.  I will take lots of pictures and then send it off to you.  Larry
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 07:41:49 PM »
That sounds "Handi" Larry!!  ;)

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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 11:52:39 PM »
Nice Larry, very nice. I remember a few; well maybe more than a few years ago, I think it was Marlin that made smooth bore 22 rimfires for shot shells. I could not tell you what their range was - but it will be much more than a rifled barrel, because the pattern will not be spinning opening up a hole in the middle. I would think they would be effective up to 15 yards on small targets.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2009, 02:51:18 AM »
When my grandfather passed away , each of his sons inherited a few firearms (5 brothers) . My dad inherited a mid 1940 ish Mossberg  smooth-bore 22,  and a Winchester model 12.  He lent the Mossberg to his brother (MY Uncle) in the late '60's ,  so he could teach his son (my cousin) to shoot. It was never returned. 

 I recently bumped into my cousin and inquired what ever happened to it. He said he shot it for a few years in his teens and when they moved across town in early 70's it came up missing. He suspects one of the movers took it. They also came up missing a small derringer of unknown make and an old Ithaca bolt action both of which were also our grandfathers.

Wish I still had my grandfathers Mossberg .22 smooth-bore. I'm sure value -wise it wasn't worth a flip .. but to me it would have been priceless. I believe I despise thieves the most. Good luck with your project, what a generous gift to pass along.

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Re: Garden gun project.
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2009, 05:10:31 AM »
Tell me more of your .14 project!!


As much fun as the 22 sounds, I don't think it will be very effective on anything larger than mice unless they are VERY close.  I haven't shot those tiny shotshells out of a smoothbore 22, but I think something way more effective would be a 357, 44, 45, or 50 caliber smoothbore.  You could load up some shot loads with 8 or 9 shot, which would be dramatically more effective, and with a pistol caliber the payload and recoil would still be quite light.

HOWEVER, I'm willing to be amazed, hope it works out for you!

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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 05:17:35 AM »
I'll pattern it after it is finished and we will ask dpe.ahoy to give us some real life field experience with it.  Larry
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 05:20:57 AM »
i  have  a  bolt  gun,,.....stamped  22 shot  only

the  pattern  is  have  the size  of  a rifled barrel  and  much  more  even

so  basically  you doubled your range  i guess

it  works  good  on  small  rats...what   i bought it  for

you  will  like this  gun  when  you are  finished

22  shot  won't  break a window  at  distence  but  #9  from  a  38  will
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2009, 06:12:30 AM »
   ",,.....stamped  22 shot  only "
I wonder after reading this how many of these I have picked up over the yrs thinking it said 22 Short only probly dozens as I recall pick it up to look it says this and I always set them right back down just never had any intrest in a 22 short only gun. Where as a 22 shot only would peek my intrest. Oh well to live and learn. Curious as to the pattern also . Good luck Larry.  Kurt
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 07:39:02 AM »
What? Don't tell us yer gonna quit playing with it before fixing a "jug" choke in it. :D
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 01:04:31 PM »
Well I appreciate your endevors Larry, you certainly enjoy tinkering and do a good job at it. Odd but cool project, I see it as exactly how you label your topic "Garden Gun"  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2009, 02:15:46 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2009, 05:00:12 PM »
I have it threaded into the stub, looks like most of the others i've done right now.  It is now 21 1/2 inches long, I am curious if it would be considered a shotgun with a minimum length of 18 inches or not.  Guess I will finish it at something over 18 inches just so I don't have to worry.  Any thoughts if longer would be better than shorter?  I know some things are better longer, but we are taking about smoothe bore .22 rifle barrels here.  A couple of pictures and any opinions on the proper finish length would be appreciated.  Larry



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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2009, 05:14:33 PM »
if  it is smooth  bore  it must be over  18
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« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2009, 05:51:03 PM »
I sort of expected that 18 inches would be the minimum length.  I have coated the barrel and stub part with JB weld and screwed it all together, tomorrow, when it is all set up I will drill the pin hole in the front of the stub and pin the barrel in place, this sucker will never move, it is screwed, glued and pinned.  Then just the ejector cut and some machining for the iron sights, that will take a little work, but we will see what happens.  I will still have to decide on a length to cut it to if I cut it at all.  Larry
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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2009, 07:05:38 PM »
Larry you are much to kind!  I think the thing is gonna be great fun for teaching Donny the fine art of Shotgunning.  He's my next deer dragger in a few years, has to do everything Dad does. ;D  (Just hopin he doesn't make the same mistakes I have. :-[)  I still have the 12 and 20ga slug barrels for you if ya want em for future projects.  Saw a bunch of gophers running around on my land this spring, cabin should be closed in by hunting season and next spring he can set on the porch and get the close ones while the older kids take the longer shots. ;)  Thanks again Larry.  DP
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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2009, 07:14:12 PM »
This will be fun.  It will be the perfect kids gun I think.  It is drilled and tapped for a scope mount, but I will mount some open sights that will not prevent the mounting of a red dot or something simular.  It is 21 1/2 inchel long now, I can cut it to anything you like, it has been mentioned that 18 inches would be the minimum for a smoother bore, so you tell me how long you would like it.  I did face off the beach tonight, so things are moving along, I will try to get it done in a week or so, fall is a good time for shooting.  Kids are great fun, I have a Grandaughter that I spoil rotten.  Larry
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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2009, 07:35:23 PM »
The 22 shot might be better at a shorter length, ??? anyone know what the best length would be for that cartridge?  Might pattern better with the shorter barrel as well, less deformed shot.  That might even work for the occasional rattlesnake we see up there. :o  They serve their purpose in the wild, but I hate the darn things close to the family and animals.  DP 
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2009, 07:47:30 PM »
When you determing the proper length let me know, it is just as easy to make it 21 1/2 as it is to make it 18 1/2 inches, it just doesn't matter, there doesn't seem to be much data out there on the performance of the shot cartridges in a smothe bore .22, so you will probably be defining the performance.  Larry
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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2009, 08:02:42 PM »
How about a test?  Pattern at 21 1/2, then shorten to 18 1/2, ( who am I to second guess Wm. Ruger) and see if there is a difference.  3" shorter might be better for the little man.  (I'm old enough to be his grandpa, but I spoil him anyway.)  DP
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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2009, 05:34:42 AM »
Definitely gonna stick close to this posting for a while.. Very curious how the final product will turn out. Can't wait to see Pics when complete.
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« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2009, 09:01:27 AM »
Got the rim cut today, I will cut the ejector slot and will be able to shoot it.  Anyone with a clue as to what range to pattern it at?  Larry



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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2009, 09:37:27 AM »
To maximize the effectiveness, you might want to cut the chamber big enough for 22mag to shoot those 52gr loads.

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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2009, 09:49:36 AM »
To maximize the effectiveness, you might want to cut the chamber big enough for 22mag to shoot those 52gr loads.

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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2009, 11:41:37 AM »
I think Savage still sell a .22 smooth bore bolt gun. Might could look up the specs on it and get an ideal how to size it.

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« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2009, 12:32:52 PM »
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If its any help , the Savage Garden Gun , Mod. 1-GSB comes with a 20.75" barrel . We used to shoot rats in the hog barns with 22 shot shells out of handguns , were most shots were in the 20 to 30 foot range with around 90% kill rates .  ;D

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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2009, 01:15:59 PM »
It may shoot further than I thought, I will probably just set up at the 10 yard line at the pistol range, if the pattern is too large then I will move up.  I polished up the bore after reaming it today.  First with some scotchbright pad wrapped on a .17 cal brush and then with red rubbing compound on a .22 cal mop.  Wish I could get a good picture down the bore, but there isn't much to see there, it is very nice and smoothe however.  I will probably cut about an inch or so off the muzzel, when a reamer comes out of the end the pilot comes out first, the the rest of the reamer isn't held centered and it may cut an oversized hole at the end, so taking an inch off will make it right I think, it will end up at about 20 inches.  Does anyone remember some 22 BB caps?  They were loaded with a 22 cal round ball, wonder if they are still produced? It could shoot them well.   I have the upmost respect for Wayne York, if I were to try to make a living at this I would be very poor, or I would have to charge $500.00 a barrel in which case I would still be poor because no one would buy them for that price.  It takes an amazing amount of time to get one of these things right.  Larry
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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2009, 06:01:31 PM »
Larry, interesting project. I think Remington started making a 22 shotrifle in this or last years catalog. An old friend had a bolt action 22 smoothbore years ago. He died and I always wondered how it shot. I finaly found some more 44 shot capsules by Speer. I used to shoot mice with my 629 S.W. while mowing my field. Bet the neighbors thought I was a bit OFF IN THE HEAD. Great fun though! I would like to have a smoothbore 44. I will load some to try in my Handi. I wish Tim would get Ilion to add smooth 44's to the barrel program. Enjoy your projects. Mike

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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2009, 06:03:52 PM »
I have a Remington Target Master Model 510 in 22 smooth bore the barrel is 23 inches long. My dad bought this for me when I was about 10 years old. I even still have some of the mosquito clay birds for it, that is what we learned wing shooting with. This was the first rifle my kids and grand-kids got to shoot it works wonders on pop cans filled with water. It will actually shoot a bit farther then you give it credit for. And it does a good job on rats mice and other small vermin. Ammo is bit pricey but it is still made. And Remington still catalogs rifles in the smooth bore configuration. Larry mine has a standard shotgun bead front sight on it.