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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2009, 05:18:46 PM »
I agree and on further consideration, I think some have mistaken science professors for liberal arts professors. Maybe that's the reason for the socialistic accusations. Blind indoctrination does not fly within the science departments.

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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2009, 05:26:42 PM »
If this Global warming crap were real, the folks pushing it would walk the walk. Only the stupid, or the ones with alterior goals believe global warming is real. I guess I am supposed to believe cow farts are somehow worse than buffalo, or mastadon farts were. CO2 it is what all living breathing creatures breath out.
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2009, 05:29:45 PM »
I'm glad Einstien wasn't trying to promote the theory of relativity or nuclear bombs to end wars on this forum. As to farts, Any CO2 exhaled by humans, farted by buffalos, cows, etc.,  or emitted from burning ethanol is in turn absorbed and used by the plants that we eat and are used to make ethanol, again.  There is no new CO2 added to the carbon cycle from animal respiration or from burning biofuels.  Fossil fuels are the only form of energy that release CO2 that has not been in the carbon cycle in recent millennia.  The problem with corn-based ethanol is that it requires more energy in transportation of fuel, transportation of fertilizer, and the refining process than can be obtained from burning ethanol.

You're right, very few are walking the walk and I doubt those who reject every notion of the viability of theories regarding greenhouse gas and global warming do either. Why would anyone who feels that global warming is socialistic bs walk the walk???  But, then there is a downside to being dependent on foreign oil which we are addicted to ( the whole country ). I believe big wars will be fought over this.

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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2009, 05:50:59 PM »
So which is worse cow farts or buffalo farts. The retards that are pushing this lie called "global warming" are claiming methane emmissions from cattle are a cause. If you believe this hocus pocus you need to get off you computer as YOU are part of the problem. Only the stupid can actually take this crap as real.
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2009, 06:32:49 AM »
Any CO2 exhaled by mammals or emitted from burning ethanol is in turn absorbed and used by the plants that we eat and are used to make ethanol.  There is no new CO2 added to the carbon cycle from animal respiration, farting or from burning biofuels.  Fossil fuels are the only form of energy that releases CO2 that has not been in the carbon cycle in recent millennia.  The problem with corn-based ethanol is that it requires more energy in transportation of fuel, transportation of fertilizer, and the refining process than can be obtained from burning ethanol. 

I reject your position on stupidity as it was used too broadly; however, one more problem to worry about, cap and trade legislation will be handled by our politicians. ( Do you believe in legislation?) In the case of politicians, the term stupidity fits broadly. Did you naysayers really read the opening??? I wonder what it's like at your houses when the weatherman says chance of rain.

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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2009, 06:50:40 AM »
So which are worse Chucký, buffalo or cow farts?


Why don't you ask your book smart kid for the answer.




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Anyone who claims "global warming is real and still contributes to it is a hypocrit. Sad thing is, is that being they are dumb enough to fall for the "global warming" silliness. Being that dumb also makes them to dumb to see they are also hypocrits.
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2009, 07:12:22 AM »
Regarding the original post, the only thing to worry about is brain washing. Here are the facts:
1) Yes, CO2 has increased as a function of human expansion.
2) Most of the extra CO2 is generated in countries outside the US, and this will continue to be true.
3) Deforestation is a big factor too.
4) Policy changes in the US will make no significant difference. Not even re-foresting and de-populating the entire United States to pre-Columbian levels will make a difference. This is because  population growth and deforestation have essentially stopped in this country, while both practices are expanding on other continents.
5) Al Gore, didn't invent this either, just like he didn't invent the internet. These ideas have been in scientific debate for about 20 years.
6) There are practical limits to population and deforestation. Brazil, China, and India can only expand so much before they reach their capacity. This will stabilize greenhouse gas production, and will stabilize CO2 consumption by plants.
7) The worst case scenarios you have been fed assume such impossibilities as the entire Arctic and Antarctic simultaneously melt instantly. No serious scientist believes that that is even a remote possibility.
8) None of the growing countries that matter are willing to be constrained by things like the Kyoto treaty.
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2009, 09:44:10 AM »
Here is something to consider. What exactly is the temperature supposed to be.

 Am I to believe that the last 2500 yrs are normal? Why should I believe that? It's like asking a grasshopper about the climate in september.

This planet does not have anything invested in the human population. Many extinctions have occured in the past. Do these leading scientists believe we could have changed that in any way?

Only an ego the size of Al Gore could imagine the ability to change the climate of the world. Do these people have a plan for un-erupting a volcano? Now that is a source of carbon you can believe in my friend. That carbon is already here being niether created nor destroyed. All that carbon locked up in coal was once atmospheric CO2, the world was ok with that.

How bout someone explain how the Earth heating up and Mars heating up at the exact same time is just a coincedence. Could it be that Mother Universe walked by the thermostat and tweaked it just a bit, cause father time is a tightasss and keeps turning it back causing ice ages? They can all see and agree that the sun has increased its output but can't quite make the intelectual jump that maybe  that would cause the problem?

This same crowd can not reliably tell me what the temperature will be twenty hours from now but have no less problem predicting what it will be twenty years from now. Given that they are concerned over a change of one or two degrees, it should make one wonder if they have a new plan in place for acceptable deviation from there predictions,
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2009, 09:50:16 AM »
Empty Quiver this "global warming" is what the treetards have been told to believe.  The sad part of the "educated intelligencia" now following this cult of environmentalism is, that they have been convinced not to believe there own experiances and only blindly follow the instrucions of their cult masters.
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2009, 10:08:19 AM »
The fact is, we're on a downward spiral toward an Ice Age.  We just happen to be on a minor upspur on the scale.  We've had one of the coldest, nastiest May, June and Julys ever here in Northern Michigan.  If it continues into winter.......look out.  I don't think I'm stupid or ill informed, but I don't believe in Glogal Warming at all.  Yes, I believe we are altering climate, but not to the point where it will make a heck of a lot of difference in the long run.

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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2009, 10:27:29 AM »
Pete,

I don't think that can be logically or scientifically supported as fact. Do you believe in cap and trade legislation? I don't know which is worse and I feel that either one will be devastating.

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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2009, 10:35:06 AM »
Chucky what you say cannot be scientifically supported either.


Now come on Chucky tell us all why cow farts are worse than buffalo farts? I,ll even help ya out a little here since it seems your ignorant of some info. The CO2 is not the gas they are worried about in cow farts it's the methane. Itaks ok if ya call the book smart kid.
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2009, 10:50:46 AM »
Oops forgot to say that what Petemi said may be right, it just can't be scientifically of logically supported as fact, which he did state. For those that keep harping on academia brainwashing students and if the opening was really read, this student disagrees with his prof. I already sddressed the effect of mammal CO2 in an above reply, that should be clear. The only thing I know about farts is: no, nevermind I refuse to debate farts, I'm minimally qualified from personal experience. Just don't want my name associated with fart debate; but, those with an interest can start their own thread. My opening claims that I'm not an expert and I have less knowledge of methane, so I'm not going there. Farts or methane can be addressed on your own thread. This one is global warming and cap and trade legislation.

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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2009, 10:58:17 AM »
The problem or concern if you wish here really has nothing to do with carbon, CO2, methane or anything else of the sort. It's really time folks get it thru their heads what is the REAL PROBLEM.

The REAL PROBLEM is that there is a cabal of super rich folks some like TM7 call the Illuminati. I have no clue what they call themselves and I guess it really doesn't matter. They do exist and they are as super powerful in today's world as they are super rich. Just who they are as to their names I honestly dunno. That they exist tho I have no doubt. That they control most of our politicians and that those politicians are doing their bidding rather than ours should be obvious to anyone. They owned Klinton, they owned Bush and they own obama lock stock and barrel and he isn't gonna do a thing they don't want him to do. If he tries they'll have him killed in about thirty seconds.

They have come to the conclusion this world has too many people in it. I happpen to agree with that tho am sure I'd not agree with which of us they want gone. I figure they'd like to remove at least 85% to 90% of the current human population and leave only themselves and their servants and they are heading in that direction at their own pace. It's not about global warming or cooling or carbon or anything else but control. They have most of the money and just got a huge addition to it from all of  obama's give aways. Now what they want is to have the earth pretty much to theirselves. Look at it as a return to fuedal times when all but the rich lived on land owned by the rich and worked hard to make enough to feed themselves plus what the rich took from them. That's what they want to return to.


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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2009, 11:26:19 AM »
Chucky, what Graybeard says is true. This is not about any kind of climate change, it is about control. What I find hilarious about the folks who worship at the altar of climate change is their suspension of belief in thier own experiences. I use the methane gas release example because it is one of the glaring contradictions in this lie. The thugs who are pushing this consume a HUGE amount of "carbon producing" fuels to spread the word. I am sorry if I am not foolish enough to take the word from AlGore that we need to conserve, while he flys around the world in private jets.
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #45 on: July 26, 2009, 02:11:10 PM »
Well, then it must be settled.

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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2009, 03:00:41 PM »
The earth warms up, the earth cools down.  It ain't nothing but a natural thang.  It's happened a million+ times in the past.
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2009, 02:08:32 AM »
Ask the people in the drought in Texas what they think of global warming.
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« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2009, 04:03:18 AM »
Droughts in Texas are common. There is a logical fallacy in your argument. The two are not necessarily connected.
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2009, 05:38:15 AM »
Droughts have been going on in TX.- OK. for hundreds of years, but does
not make it cooler or hotter, just drier
Here it is end of JULY in Ft. Worth, TX supposed to rain all week and be in
the low 90's
We have a multitude for briliant minds going to waste working on (global warming)
that could be working on something they could actually do something
about. They will work on this as long as their is funding, when the funding stops
Golbal warming will be fixed. ;D
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2009, 08:16:30 AM »
Ask the people in the drought in Texas what they think of global warming.

I'm in the drought in Texas and I still aint buying it Pardner!

Droughts come and go..................lefties it seems just keep coming around!
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« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2009, 08:34:47 AM »
" ... global tropospheric temperature has for the last 50 years [1958-2008] fallen and risen in close accord with the SOI of 5–7 months earlier shows the potential of natural forcing mechanisms to account for most of the temperature variation." From a report published 23 July 2009 in the Journal of Geophysical Research, a peer reviewed academic journal for scientists specializing in this issue. Abstract here: http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2008JD011637.shtml

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Nature not man responsible for recent global warming

Three Australasian researchers have shown that natural forces are the dominant influence on climate, in a study just published in the highly-regarded Journal of Geophysical Research. According to this study little or none of the late 20th century global warming and cooling can be attributed to human activity.

The research, by Chris de Freitas, a climate scientist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, John McLean (Melbourne) and Bob Carter (James Cook University), finds that the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) is a key indicator of global atmospheric temperatures seven months later. As an additional influence, intermittent volcanic activity injects cooling aerosols into the atmosphere and produces significant cooling.

"The surge in global temperatures since 1977 can be attributed to a 1976 climate shift in the Pacific Ocean that made warming El Niño conditions more likely than they were over the previous 30 years and cooling La Niña conditions less likely" says corresponding author de Freitas.

"We have shown that internal global climate-system variability accounts for at least 80% of the observed global climate variation over the past half-century. It may even be more if the period of influence of major volcanoes can be more clearly identified and the corresponding data excluded from the analysis.”

Climate researchers have long been aware that ENSO events influence global temperature, for example causing a high temperature spike in 1998 and a subsequent fall as conditions moved to La Niña. It is also well known that volcanic activity has a cooling influence, and as is well documented by the effects of the 1991 Mount Pinatubo volcanic eruption.

The new paper draws these two strands of climate control together and shows, by demonstrating a strong relationship between the Southern Oscillation and lower-atmospheric temperature, that ENSO has been a major temperature influence since continuous measurement of lower-atmospheric temperature first began in 1958.

According to the three researchers, ENSO-related warming during El Niño conditions is caused by a stronger Hadley Cell circulation moving warm tropical air into the mid-latitudes. During La Niña conditions the Pacific Ocean is cooler and the Walker circulation, west to east in the upper atmosphere along the equator, dominates.

"When climate models failed to retrospectively produce the temperatures since 1950 the modellers added some estimated influences of carbon dioxide to make up the shortfall," says McLean.

"The IPCC acknowledges in its 4th Assessment Report that ENSO conditions cannot be predicted more than about 12 months ahead, so the output of climate models that could not predict ENSO conditions were being compared to temperatures during a period that was dominated by those influences. It's no wonder that model outputs have been so inaccurate, and it is clear that future modelling must incorporate the ENSO effect if it is to be meaningful."

Bob Carter, one of four scientists who has recently questioned the justification for the proposed Australian emissions trading scheme, says that this paper has significant consequences for public climate policy.

"The close relationship between ENSO and global temperature, as described in the paper, leaves little room for any warming driven by human carbon dioxide emissions. The available data indicate that future global temperatures will continue to change primarily in response to ENSO cycling, volcanic activity and solar changes.”

“Our paper confirms what many scientists already know: which is that no scientific justification exists for emissions regulation, and that, irrespective of the severity of the cuts proposed, ETS (emission trading scheme) will exert no measurable effect on future climate.”


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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2009, 08:38:17 AM »
The last paragraph in the post above is the one that says all the important stuff.
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2009, 08:04:26 PM »
The last paragraph in the post above is the one that says all the important stuff.



All this reading and thinking has made my old head hurt!
I've digested it all, and still don't know anymore than when I started about global warming, or the Ice age.

After the temp soared to 101 here in western  Oregon today, I tend to think( GLOBAL WARMING) but we will prob. have record low's and  more snow fall this winter, and will change my mind to (ICE AGE) ;D

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« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2009, 09:27:35 PM »
Sorry for the previous long post. The point is climate change isn't manmade. If you're hot or cold blame a volcano. I remember when scientists who didn't receive government research grants to publish reports supporting political goals mentioned the EPA was stupid because all the industrial emissions in the world didn't match a tenth of one volcanic eruption. Didn't stop the Sierra club from putting my home county out of work, moved the plant 1 mile south into Mexico and wound up feeding the LA smog basin anyway. Never ever trust a government funded science grant, it is political to get one, and the results are filtered to match policy.
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« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2009, 11:14:23 PM »
We've been having record cool temps. this summer.
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Re: One More Thing to Worry About
« Reply #56 on: July 28, 2009, 06:58:54 AM »
I've just submitted my application to become an illuminati.

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« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2009, 04:21:36 PM »
you guys are missing the point. Forget Global Warming, what about cap and trade legislation??? Nothing scientific about that just ordinary legislation. Does anyone know or care what it will do to our economy???

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« Reply #58 on: July 28, 2009, 04:23:10 PM »
Chucky, the silly liberals that are pushing Globals warming are the same silly children pushing cap and trade.
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« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2009, 04:30:17 PM »
you guys are missing the point. Forget Global Warming, what about cap and trade legislation??? Nothing scientific about that just ordinary legislation. Does anyone know or care what it will do to our economy???

Yes, we know & the possibility of the bill passing is ONLY possible because so many accept the GW nonsense so to forget the silliness means the bill passes.

BTW, we are about to get another storm, this is the wettest & coolest July in my lifetime at least in Arkansas.
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