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Obama Administration Begins Opposition To States Claiming Sovereignty And Gun Rights

The several states are lining up to reclaim their sovereignty and telling the federal government to butt out. This is being done in myriad ways but all are related in that most claim that the Tenth Amendment protects the states from federal tyranny. States are passing resolutions, memorials and two states have passed laws and they intend to apply those laws for their citizens. The two states are Montana and Tennessee.
   

The approval of Sonia Sotomayor as a Supreme Court justice is vitally important, especially due to the fact that she is anti Second Amendment and has shown little regard for the original intent of the Constitution.
It was expected that at some point these laws would be challenged and it appears actions to do such has begun. The Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has published open letters to federal firearms license holders in  Montana and  Tennessee explaining that
federal law trumps state law when it comes to gun laws.
“As you may know, federal law requires a license to engage in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition, or to deal in firearms, even if the firearms or ammunition remain with the same state. All firearms manufactured by a licensee must be properly marked. Additionally, each licensee must record the type, model, caliber or gauge, and serial number of each firearm manufactured or otherwise acquired, and the date such manufacture or other acquisition was made. Firearms transaction records and NICS background checks must be conducted prior to disposition of firearms to unlicensed persons. These, as well as other Federal requirements and prohibitions, apply whether or not the firearms or ammunition have crossed state lines.
In a report filed by CBS News, it seems to indicate that even though these states are claiming sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment, the Federal Government may have power over such gun laws as the Firearms Freedom Act, via the Commerce Clause.
Read literally, the Tenth Amendment seems to suggest that the federal government’s powers are limited only to what it has been “delegated,” and the U.S. Supreme Court in 1918 confirmed that the amendment “carefully reserved” some authority “to the states.” That view is echoed by statements made at the time the Constitution was adopted; New Hampshire explicitly said that states kept “all powers not expressly and particularly delegated” to the federal government.
More recently, federal courts have interpreted the Tenth Amendment narrowly, in a way that justifies almost any law on grounds that it intends to regulate interstate commerce.
World Net Daily points out in an article of their own that the Montana Firearms Freedom Act bill declares that Congress has not “expressly pre-empted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining to the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition”.
I have been saying for some time that all of this will eventually wend its way through the courts ultimately landing at the feet of the United States Supreme Court. This is one reason the approval of Sonia Sotomayor as a Supreme Court justice is vitally important, especially due to the fact that she is anti Second Amendment and has shown little regard for the original intent of the Constitution.
Also at issue in this debate are pending lawsuits challenging gun laws in other states. Chicago’s gun ban is being challenged after the District of Columbia vs. Heller decision reaffirming an individual right to keep and bear arms. The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that federal gun laws do not pertain to the states, a position taken by Sotomayor.
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This is an interesting ruling considering that prior to this the Ninth Circuit Court ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause incorporates the Second Amendment and therefore federal law, which now holds the ruling of the District of Columbia vs. Heller decision, applies to the states rendering them unable to create gun laws that supersede federal laws. This will end up at the Supreme Court.
While we are discussing the Fourteenth Amendment, the Second Amendment and Ninth and Tenth, the BATFE is sending out public letters, assumed to be authorized by the Obama administration, to federal firearms dealers in Montana and Tennessee, stating that federal law supersedes state laws, at least as they pertain to firearms and ammunition.
Where will this all end up? I believe the Supreme Court but I know not how long this may take. In the meantime, the Obama administration, made up of mostly anti-gun people, are grasping to gain control over your right to keep and bear arms. From the day Obama was elected, the people rushed to stores buying up guns and ammunition at unprecedented rates. With the combination of a new president and staff known to want to ban gun and gun sales and the District of Columbia vs. Heller ruling, it has helped spur more laws to relax gun restrictions. This, I am positive, angers the Obama administration.
None of this comes as a surprise to Gary Marbut, President of the Montana Shooting Sports Association. Marbut was directly responsible for the Montana Firearms Freedom Act. In a letter sent to his members of MSSA, Marbut points out what he views as little concern over the letter and how it was expected.
1) The letters are addressed only to FFLs and purport to assert authority only over those licensees already under the federal thumb because of their licenses. We’ve always assumed that people with existing FFLs would not be players in the state-made guns exercise because they will not wish to risk thwarting the earned reputation the BATFE has for vindictiveness. The letters are not addressed to non-FFLs, those folks who are potential participants in the state-made guns business.
2) The BATFE letters may lack any official import because they are not signed by the official who appears in the signature block, but by some unknown other person. It’s difficult to place much credence in a missive upon which the purported issuing person is unwilling to put his signature, and for which the signer is unknown.
3) The essence of the letter is a declaration that the laws that the BATFE enforces supercede the U.S. Constitution and the Tenth
Amendment. I understand that the BATFE hopes that is so, but that’s far from proven yet. (We still recommend that nobody make these state-made guns until we can litigate and vet the principles involved.)
4) The letters, if they are official even though unsigned by the issuer, will help us establish standing to get this issue squarely before the federal courts. The feds have thrown down the gauntlet.
I like Montana’s approach to their action in the creation of their Firearms Freedom Act. They are proactively seeking to bring this issue to the courts for a ruling. They believe in their own state’s constitution and that they, according to their contract with the people and the United States Government, have the sovereignty and freedom under the U.S. Constitution, to make their own laws in matters such as this.
This will be a long and drawn out affair but one that is ripe for a good battle. Let’s hope this battle arrives before Obama can stack the Supreme Court with more anti-gun “empathetic” justices.
 

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Be it resolved that the Alaska State Legislature hereby claims sovereignty for the state under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.
Be it further resolved that this resolution serves as Notice and Demand to the federal government to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.  Alaska HJR 27

Signed into law by Gov. Palin on 10 July 2009

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Signed into law by Gov. Palin on 10 July 2009

 ???  A "resolution" signed into law?   :-\  Can you check your citation on that for me there 'keg?  I'm not saying it's impossible as each state is sovereign, has their own constitution and can pass what law they see fit  ;), but resolutions do not usually become law.  And what would be the punishment to the offender or remedy for the State of Alaska if this "law" was violated? 

Well duh!    :-[  You provided the cite! Alaska HJR 27!  Let me see what I can find... just outa curiosity mind you...  Everyone knows the "Commerce Clause" gives the federal gub'ment the right to interject themselves into the state's everyday life... by and with the blessings of our elected federal representitives of course... and as long as the money keeps flowing to the local representatives of course... And as long as the money and other perceived benefits keep flowing to the people who elected those local and federal representatives ... of course!  ::)
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More states should do the same. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Signed into law by Gov. Palin on 10 July 2009

 ???  A "resolution" signed into law?   :-\  Can you check your citation on that for me there 'keg?  I'm not saying it's impossible as each state is sovereign, has their own constitution and can pass what law they see fit  ;), but resolutions do not usually become law.  And what would be the punishment to the offender or remedy for the State of Alaska if this "law" was violated? 

Well duh!    :-[  You provided the cite! Alaska HJR 27!  Let me see what I can find... just outa curiosity mind you...  Everyone knows the "Commerce Clause" gives the federal gub'ment the right to interject themselves into the state's everyday life... by and with the blessings of our elected federal representitives of course... and as long as the money keeps flowing to the local representatives of course... And as long as the money and other perceived benefits keep flowing to the people who elected those local and federal representatives ... of course!  ::)

The funny thing about this is that each time the topic of Ted Stevens history for massive pork projects comes up the Alaska guys flock to his defense.  Seems to me if you want the government out of your business maybe you should stop taking their money.

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Signed into law by Gov. Palin on 10 July 2009

 ???  A "resolution" signed into law?   :-\  Can you check your citation on that for me there 'keg?  I'm not saying it's impossible as each state is sovereign, has their own constitution and can pass what law they see fit  ;), but resolutions do not usually become law.  And what would be the punishment to the offender or remedy for the State of Alaska if this "law" was violated? 

Well duh!    :-[  You provided the cite! Alaska HJR 27!  Let me see what I can find... just outa curiosity mind you...  Everyone knows the "Commerce Clause" gives the federal gub'ment the right to interject themselves into the state's everyday life... by and with the blessings of our elected federal representitives of course... and as long as the money keeps flowing to the local representatives of course... And as long as the money and other perceived benefits keep flowing to the people who elected those local and federal representatives ... of course!  ::)

Palin to feds: Alaska is sovereign state
Constitutional rights reasserted in growing resistance to Washington

Gov. Sarah Palin has signed a joint resolution declaring Alaska's sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution – and now 36 other states have introduced similar resolutions as part of a growing resistance to the federal government.

Just weeks before she plans to step down from her position as Alaska governor, Palin signed House Joint Resolution 27, sponsored by state Rep. Mike Kelly on July 10, according to a Tenth Amendment Center report. The resolution "claims sovereignty for the state under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States."

Alaska's House passed HJR 27 by a vote of 37-0, and the Senate passed it by a vote of 40-0.

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Read the last two paragraphs of the pdf file below.  It's a poke in the eye to Obama, Biden and Pelosi, and puts our Congressional delegation along with the rest of Congress on notice that we intend to exercise our right to state sovereignty.

BILL: HJR 27 SHORT TITLE: STATE SOVEREIGNTY 
CURRENT STATUS: LEGIS RESOLVE 28  STATUS DATE: 07/10/09
TITLE: Relating to sovereign powers of the state.
http://www.legis.state.ak.us/PDF/26/Bills/HJR027Z.PDF

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The funny thing about this is that each time the topic of Ted Stevens history for massive pork projects comes up the Alaska guys flock to his defense.  Seems to me if you want the government out of your business maybe you should stop taking their money.

You have absolutely no room to talk trash to Alaskans about pork if your sorry state has accepted federal $$ for roads, bridges or anything else, which I'm sure you have.  You selfishly overlook the amount of federally funded infrastructure in lower 48 states, received over 233 years, while seeking to deny a state only 50 years old the same equity. 

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Heck we have both of our pleaders jumping in on this topic. All I want to know is, is Alaska sovereign or not?
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Dukkillr:  During The Statehood Act negotiations the Federal Government promised a lot of things.  All Ted Stevens did was get some of the money to do some of those things.  We still have not received the highways we were promised, like the rest of the states did.  We have received one highway since statehood.  And that one was built in 1971, nothing since.  The railroad connecting us to the lower 48, that we were promised has not been built.  In fact nothing has been added to that railroad since WWII.  The military has five big bases here in Alaska, because we are military friendlier than other states, yet they want give us little support to provide for those families the things they are used to getting off base.  Everything coming to Alaska has to come up here by barge, a big bottleneck.  Shipping is slow and costly, because the Federal government has not followed through with the Railroad system like they promised.

As for the resolution on State Sovereignty, it says the State Attorney General will defend the State against the Federal Government.  And Sarah Palin signed it. 

We are now ready to fight the feds here in Fairbanks also over EPA regulations that are totally unreasonable.  They are trying to ban wood stoves to heat our homes, they want to force us to use expensive fuel oil.  We are not standing for it.  We have told our elected officials to tell the EPA to go away we don't want them here.  To get out of our state, we are not going to conform.  If they don't like the pollution on inversion days to stay away.
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Gov. Sarah Palin has signed a joint resolution declaring Alaska's sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution

That just means Alaska's Legislative Branch and the Executive Branch of it's government agree on the premise of the resolution.  Still not a law.   :-\

For example:  Here in Cobb County, GA, during the time when the metro area was preparing for the olympic games and all the local jurisdictions were kissing butt trying to get this or that olympic venue, Cobb passed a resolution critical of the gay lifestyle.  This caused an ouytcry from the olympic planning committee, and it was demanded that Cobb withdraw their resolution or they would get NO olympic venues.   :o

Cobb's response was - so, what's your point?   8)  you can keep your venues!   :P

Now my point is, by approving the resolution, the Cobb County Government did not pass a law involving the gay life style.  It just expressed the opinion of the people of Cobb County, through their elected representatives, concerning it.  I don't believe a resolution is of any legal import.
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Read the last two paragraphs of the pdf file below.  It's a poke in the eye to Obama, Biden and Pelosi, and puts our Congressional delegation along with the rest of Congress on notice that we intend to exercise our right to state sovereignty.

BILL: HJR 27 SHORT TITLE: STATE SOVEREIGNTY 
CURRENT STATUS: LEGIS RESOLVE 28  STATUS DATE: 07/10/09
TITLE: Relating to sovereign powers of the state.
http://www.legis.state.ak.us/PDF/26/Bills/HJR027Z.PDF

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The funny thing about this is that each time the topic of Ted Stevens history for massive pork projects comes up the Alaska guys flock to his defense.  Seems to me if you want the government out of your business maybe you should stop taking their money.

You have absolutely no room to talk trash to Alaskans about pork if your sorry state has accepted federal $$ for roads, bridges or anything else, which I'm sure you have.  You selfishly overlook the amount of federally funded infrastructure in lower 48 states, received over 233 years, while seeking to deny a state only 50 years old the same equity. 
Not this argument again... Do you understand the difference between a pork project injected into an unrelated bill (and not voted on) and a bill specifically designed for something?  Just a yes or no would suffice.

And please understand that the residents of Kansas are not here complaining about federal involvement in their lives...

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And please understand that the residents of Kansas are not here complaining about federal involvement in their lives...

Guess there is no reason for me to move to Kiss-a$$ I mean Kansas then.  ;)

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And please understand that the residents of Kansas are not here complaining about federal involvement in their lives...

Guess there is no reason for me to move to Kiss-a$$ I mean Kansas then.  ;)

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