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Spiderwire
« on: July 25, 2009, 09:24:45 AM »
Just bought some Spiderwire Stealth Braid. I have never used any of these "super lines" before, and want to give it a try. I bought the 30 lb test,8 lb diamater. I can either spool it on an Ambassador 5000 casting reel or a Mitchell 300x spinning reel. Which would be the best? I figure 150 yards of 8ld diamater probably will not completely fill either reel. Opinions please!
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Re: Spiderwire
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2009, 09:43:41 AM »
I tried it on a spinning rig and my particular set up did not cast well. IMHO the 5000 would work best. I ran fire line in the spinning reels the stiffness seems to help.

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Re: Spiderwire
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 10:24:56 AM »
I would use it on the 5000, but make sure you put some mono on the spool first for backing, otherwise the spiderwire just slips on the spool when you crank down the drag. It is much easier to get backlashes out with the spiderwire than mono too.

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Re: Spiderwire
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 10:36:19 AM »
Good point mirage. I also take it off when it starts breaking from dry rot after 3 or 4 years and spool it backwards. It is good for another 3 or 4 years. I would hate to go back to picking a backlash out of mono. I forgot how bad that was.

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Re: Spiderwire
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2009, 11:35:02 AM »
The 5000 it will be. Thanks for the info on the backing. We will fing out if I like this new line tomorrow.
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Re: Spiderwire
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2009, 11:40:21 AM »
I used it on a 5000 for salmon fishing in a river, with backing without a problem.  I also used it for trolling of shore in the Sea of Cortz.  I would buy again. :)
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Re: Spiderwire
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2009, 02:34:15 AM »
I love it on casting reels but it doesn't like rocks. I fish a couple of lakes with rocky shore lines and it frays quickly dragging it against rocks. I tried it on one spinning reel and spent all my time untangling snarls. Fireline goes on the spinners.

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Re: Spiderwire
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2009, 04:06:33 AM »
I use Power Pro or Sufix but it's the same basic stuff as Spiderwire. I like it so much that I only use mono for ultralight (2# test) fishing, and for heavy fish (Ambassadeur 9000 for sharks, etc.)

I use 30# in my Ambassadeur 5000 bait caster and 15# in my medium spinning outfit. This is a great combination. I use a mono leader that's about 6 feet of hard 15# mono, and then a shorter leader of six or 8 pound test. The purpose of the mono is so I don't have to waste the braid when tying knots. This is a very good system in both salt and fresh water.

On the bait caster, I tie a snap to the braid, and then snap on my lure or a wire leader if I'm fishing for toothy fish. This too is a good system. I'll re-tie the snap every two or three fishing trips. But I have, out of curiosity, left the snap on for an entire season of northern pike fishing and never had a failure with it.

If you make long casts, the power of the cast plus the non-stretchiness of the line plus the weight of the lure will guarantee that the lure will snap off. I tried it for surf casting and lost a couple of plugs before I figured this out. Braid is still usable, though, if you have a mono leader at least the length of the rod to absorb the shock of the cast.

Because I don't need to fill the spool with the expensive braid, I use a cheaper dacron backing that leaves enough capacity on the spool to add 100 yards of braid to the spool. Dacron or braid absolutely MUST be taped to the arbor of the spool, or the line will eventually rotate as a mass on the arbor, making your reel useless. I use electrical tape. Just tie the line to the arbor with the usual arbor knot, then put a wrap of tape around the arbor.

You will need to have a good way of cutting the line on-hand. A lot of guys use scissors made for the purpose. I have always found nail clippers to be sufficient.

The braid will lose much of its color quickly. Don't worry about it.

I have done breakage tests with different brands of braid. In summary, 30# typically breaks when lifting about 15 pounds. This is a slow, gradual lift, resulting in the line breaking, not at the knot, but on an unknotted portion of the line. Mono, on the other hand, and using the same procedure, typically breaks near, and typically over, it's stated rating. Nobody believes me when I tell them this. They say things like "did you try a palomar knot?" and I say "the line didn't break at the knot". Then they ask "are you sure you tied the knot right?" and it goes on like that. They simply refuse to believe. Try it yourself. This is true for all tests I have tried from 8# to 50#.  Often the guy will tell me that the sophisticated equipment used at the line company labs indicates that the line tests higher than its stated rating. I have a set of athletic weights that I've verified the weight of on a reliable scale. My test is simply to see how much the line will lift. Unsophisticated, but that's what we care about, isn't it?

Some guys like the braid for fishing an ultralight. I don't like it for that purpose. Some of my favorite fishing is in very clear water and there is even a difference in catch rates when using 2# vs. 4# clear mono. There's a significant difference when using braid. The trout are repelled by it somehow. I don't care how. But there is a significant difference.

I've had braid on some of my reels for four years. The stuff is good enough to last that long, but then I don't fish it every day either. The spinning rig I described above is now a standard with Florida guides. Many of those guides will replace the line every day, even though it's probably not necessary. Since I just fish seasonally and may not even use an outfit for weeks at a time while using other outfits, my system works for me.

If you get a snag, lock the spool with your hand, then pull straight back to free the snag. Don't try to wrap the braid around your hand and yank, it can cut you.

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Re: Spiderwire
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2009, 06:15:03 AM »
Braided line and bait-caster reels go hand and glove. That`s all I use when I`m flipping .
   
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Re: Spiderwire
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2009, 01:52:04 PM »
I used the braid on the 5000 this past weekend. I must say I liked it. The only compalint was the line dug into the spool once.
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Re: Spiderwire
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2009, 04:24:02 PM »
I always had problems with spiderwire digging in.  I now use either powerpro or tuff-line.  The tuff-line is cheaper and I like it better.  Only time I use powerpro is when I forget to order the tuff-line in time (can't find it around here)  They both seem to not dig in unless you really put a lot of pressure on it like trying to break of a snag! 

Fireline works ok too but it is way too expensive!

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Re: Spiderwire
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2009, 04:32:28 PM »
I always had problems with spiderwire digging in.  I now use either powerpro or tuff-line.  The tuff-line is cheaper and I like it better.  Only time I use powerpro is when I forget to order the tuff-line in time (can't find it around here)  They both seem to not dig in unless you really put a lot of pressure on it like trying to break of a snag! 

Fireline works ok too but it is way too expensive!
  I'v had my fireline on my rigs for 4 yrs without any sign of deterioration so i figure it is about the same price as cheap mono.
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