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Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« on: July 28, 2009, 04:21:09 PM »
   What problems were encountered and why were the discontinued? Thanks Fred
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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2009, 04:31:58 PM »
That's well covered in the FAQs and Help sticky.  ;)

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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2009, 07:22:39 PM »
It has been said that it was a head space problem but I am not so sure.
There have been other MFG's gun that has had the same problem of FTF (FAILED TO FIRE).
I think it was really a REMINGTON primer problem.
They were to hard.
As an experiment I pulled the loads on a few factory REMINGTON rounds that had FTF and replaced the primers with WINCHESTER's, then used the same powder & bullets seated to the same deapth and everyone fired without a hitch.
I did not resize the cases in any way.
I just screwed the seating stem down in the die and only ran the case up just enough to seat the bullet back to the original position.

This is just my opinion, but it has proved it self to me.


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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 08:44:11 AM »
I also am with the group that lean towards a ammo/primer problem.....<><....:)
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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2009, 09:26:38 AM »
My old Whelen will fire Federals all day but with Remmington's I have about 40% missfires.
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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2009, 09:33:53 AM »
If you read the Whelen threads in the FAQs, you'll see there were other problems with it, not just related to primers, but headspace problems due to brass issues also.

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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2009, 11:25:59 AM »
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but headspace problems due to brass issues

If this is true then why don't we get the same FTFs with the exact same factory REMINGTON brass, powder, bullet pulled from the same round, reassembled to the same length with a different brand primer?

That is what my experiment was all about!


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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2009, 11:32:33 AM »
I've had two boxes of factory brass that had several pieces(so far) that have the shoulder pushed back too far, a good .010-020" too much,  as it's been said many times, it's a combination of multiple issues, all of them documented in the FAQs threads, to say it's just a primer issue isn't fair, that's only part of the problem.

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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2009, 11:40:55 AM »
I can only guess that the ones I tried weren't pushed back far enought to make much of a difference as all fired fine with the WIN primers installed.
If I have any more FTFs I will check their length to see if there is much of a difference.

Wish I could have saved the original primers and used them over in the once fired brass.
If they still FTF then it was the primer.
If they fired than you may be right.


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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2009, 11:56:48 AM »
As I said, if you read the two links in the FAQs, you'll see that primers were only part of the problem, poorly cut chambers, weak hammer springs, and bad brass can all be held to blame in part or fully, depending on the degree of out of spec. Glenn's Whelen was sucessfully repaired by H&R, his chamber was in spec, but had a weak hammer spring and possibly a defective firing pin. My 2006 Whelen has a good chamber too, I don't shoot factory ammo, but the previous owner, Remnut, shot factory ammo with no problems. I've had some bad 9½ primers, but I've also had some bad WLRs.  :-\

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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2009, 04:53:29 AM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on July 29, 2009, 11:56:48 AM
I've had some bad 9½ primers,

I've got about 800 of them left from a K that I won't use because of the FTF problem...  :(
OT I know, but I had to put in my 2 cents...  :-[
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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2009, 05:16:51 AM »
I wouldn't use them or the WLRs I have for hunting, but with primers in short supply, they'd work good for load development, save the CCIs for the serious work!!  ;)

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Re: Question? What was the problems encountered with factory 35 Whelens?
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2009, 06:40:17 AM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on July 31, 2009, 05:16:51 AM
they'd work good for load development, save the CCIs for the serious work!!  ;)

You read my mind Timmy!   ;D
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