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« on: September 28, 2003, 01:33:53 AM »
I have been looking into some 1860 steel  Armys in 44 -8"brl.

1. Who makes a good one.
2. What bullet do you recommennd.
3. Powder, how much and can I use FFG, I know FFFg would be better but I have FFg in stock.

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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2003, 03:52:18 AM »
Thanks for the info Marsh.

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2003, 06:10:48 AM »
I have had a wild hair for a long time for some 60's, I have never shot cap n ball, but it looks right up my alley.
I know  Rugers are way less hassle and very strong ( hey, I'm a Ruger guy), but they aren't very authentic looking, ( well somewhat of a 58 look).
Then I look at the 60's and I am mesmerized by them, they call me...buy me buy me   buy me.

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2003, 08:25:04 AM »
My mission is clear.

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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2003, 02:36:20 PM »
Do a search under this section for information useful to beginners and long-time users.
Particularly useful will be my posts:
"Proper Use of a Cap and Ball Revolver" dated Jan.22 and July 6, 2003.
"Found: Original Loads for Cap and Ball Revolvers" dated Feb. 11, 2003.
"Gatofeo's Wad Lube" dated Feb. 20, 2003
"New to Cap and Ball" of Jan. 18, 2003

I think you'll find all you need in these. You'll want to print them out. The ol', grumpy desert cat gets kinda long-winded when he starts talking cap and ball revolvers. His eyes glaze over too ... and he purrs.

1. I picked an 1860 Army, made by Pietta and marketed by Traditions, that is very well made and accurate. Finish and fit on it are wonderful. Frankly, I don't see how the Italians can build and ship a revolver for the $140 or so I paid for it, but I'm not complaining.
Uberti used to be the benchmark for quality but I now understand that its quality has slipped.
If possible, I wouldn't order through the mail. I'd want to inspect it for overall quality before I put my money down. Though, most reputable mail order houses will take the revolver back and send a replacement without question.
Marsh is right. Many of the cap and ball revolvers will be found with tiny (and some with NOT so tiny) burrs inside. A set of needle files and polishing paper will remove these.
DO NOT touch the areas where the trigger engages into the hammer notches. Smoothing of these two critical surfaces between hammer and trigger) are best left to a good gunsmith.

2. I recommend a round ball. Conical bullets of all types and manufacturers have never been nearly as accurate in my cap and ball revolvers as a plain, lead ball. They are also clumsier to load, in my experience.
I like Speer balls. Hornady balls seem to have a few (3 to 5) slightly misshapen balls in each box I buy. This probably doesn't matter, but it irks me that I pay money for a perfectly round sphere and don't get it.
Yah yah yah ... I'm a grumpy, ol' desert cat ... sue me.  :evil:
Both Speer and Hornady make balls of .454 and .457 inch. Avoid the .451 inch balls, they are never as accurate in my experience.

3. I never use FFG in my revolvers. Not that it's dangerous or anything (far from it) but I have an ample stock of FFFG so I have no need.
I have used up to 35 grains of FFFG in my 1860 Army but that's crowding things.
I seat the greased, felt wad firmly onto the powder. THEN I seat the lead ball. It takes quite a bit of pressure to seat the ball, even in a loading stand that holds the revolver upright, with 35 grains.
Frankly, it's not worth it. I almost always shoot 30 grains of FFFG in the `60 Army and accuracy is very good.
I would suggest 30 grains of FFG, by weight or volume. This should give you plenty of room to seat that lubricated felt wad on the powder, and a .454 or .457 inch ball.

The old timers often used FFG or its equivalent in their cap and ball revolvers, judging from the dissection of old paper cartridges and the leavings in old powder flasks. I don't think you'd be hampered in the least to use FFG instead of FFFG.
The late gun writer Elmer Keith, whose first handgun was a Colt 1851 Navy he carried at age 14 in 1912, suggested using FFG in the .36 and .44-caliber guns.
I think Elmer was wrong on this (sacrilege!) but if FFG is all you have, it will work fine.
"A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .44."

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2003, 02:13:18 AM »
I have an Pietta 1860 Colt Army that I purchased 2 1/2 years ago.  I love it.  I have had no problems with it.  The Piettas are also rather nice to customize, if you will.  I have purchased the shoulder stock from Dixie.  It is the price of a gun at $140, but boy is it fun.  I also picked up a simulated Ivory grip from Dixie.  It went on with no sanding.  With the shoulder stock attached, it is a tack driver.  Me shooting free hand, it is less than a tack driver, but they are nice to shoot.  I usually shoot 25 grains in mine and use two wonder wads to bring the ball up a bit.  I also had trouble shooting the 451 balls, so I only shoot 454 or 457,  454 are easier to get a hold of around here.  For the $$, I have really liked the Piettas. In fact, I just bought another Pietta, this time a 51 navy.

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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2003, 09:59:02 AM »
I have a Uberti I bought from Dixie.  I shoot .457 balls with a Wonder wad over varying charges of FFFg.  The pistol is quite accurate for 3 or 4 cylinders without cleaning but it shoots 10-12 inches high.  I plan to put on a taller front sight but haven't quite decided which method to use.

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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2003, 01:21:56 PM »
Wow! Keep those cards and letters coming...It sounds like the Piettas may be IT!

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2003, 10:03:31 AM »
I bought the 1860 Army from Bass Pro Shop this spring. It is a Pietta. It cost me $150. It is a quality gun, I like it. It is timed well and locks up tight.
I had the .457 recommended to me. I tried them, it seemed they took too much pressure to load. I thought it might damage the loading lever. So I got some .454, I like them better. They shave a nice lead "donut" and don't  take so much pressure to load.
The one drawback, my mainspring broke! Boy, I was depressed for a few hours. Then, I found out [on this forum] that the Italians make mediocre springs. So, rather than ship the gun to a gunsmith, I called the Traditions warranty # and they shipped me a new spring, free. I took the damn handle apart and fixed it myself.
Actually the new spring was too stiff so I ground on it with a belt sander for a little, and got it just right. No damage to the temper of the spring.
This prepared me, because then the hand spring broke. Called Traditions, free spring, took the gun apart, fixed it.
I would buy another, because fixing the springs is not a big deal and it gets you familiar with your gun. These old pistols are pretty simple to disassemble.
Good luck and good shooting.
ps The walnut grip and the brass and the case hardened steel are really beautiful on these guns. No picture shows their true beauty.
Aim small don't miss.

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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2003, 03:43:23 PM »
I am waiting, they should be here Monday, today I got some balls, Hornady that is, from the local shop and one can of cci#10s.
Looking down the road for the mailman.
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2003, 11:02:25 AM »
My Pietta uses CCI #11
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2003, 01:23:27 AM »
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My Pietta uses CCI #11


I have read some use #10 and some use #11, of course I don't have the shooter yet, that is why I only bought a small can of #10s.
Thanks for the advise, keep those cards and letters coming... :grin:

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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2003, 11:20:41 AM »
Of course ... being new ... you probably don't realize that it's traditional to fire your first cap and ball revolver in the nude. Nekkid. Starkers. Birthday suit.
This stems from the odd practice of Samuel Colt's chief arms tester, Elroy "Long Sack" Skeggins, who disliked the soot and grime he got on his clothes during testing and found a practical (but odd) solution.
It's tradition. Ya can't break it. We've all done it.
Later, we'll show ya the Cap and Baller's Secret Handshake.
But first, the Long Sack traidition must be adhered to.


(The rest of you jokers stop giggling ... let's just watch CNN over the next week or so for the arrest of the naked pistol shooter. Ohhhhhh ... I'm a devious ol' desert cat .... heh heh ...  :twisted: )
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2003, 01:58:05 PM »
Who's laughing???  My darling wife gave me my first revolver for christmass one year, Coldest time of the year and I had to strip and go outside and shoot it, I did wear flip/flops cause of the snow.  Did I break any rules???

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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2003, 12:05:49 AM »
OK, but the dang neighbors will call the Sheriff..again if I start firing my guns butt naked in the front of the house, but if you say that is what I should do, I guess that is what I will do. Sure hope I don't get a chain fire.