Author Topic: Which Rings for New 452.....grrrrr! (Read 4158 times)

Swampman · « **on:** August 01, 2009, 11:35:50 AM »

I bought a CZ 452 American today. It has great piece of walnut and a real good trigger. Which rings are you guys using?

Skunk · « **Reply #1 on:** August 01, 2009, 11:38:46 AM »

Hotrod9MM's dovetail to weaver rail and Burris Signature Zee rings.

Skunk · « **Reply #2 on:** August 09, 2009, 07:15:28 AM »

What did you go with Swamper?

I was at the gun shop this last Friday and noticed that my man had a very nice 452 American hidden on a back rack and guess what? I bought it.

It had been there for about two years but I had simply never noticed it. It still had the 2007 price tag so I snagged it right up.

I'm going with Rimfire Technologies' (Hotrod9MM) 3/8" Dovetail to Picatinny Scope Mount and a set of Burris Signature Zee rings. Also going to get YoDave's or Eric Brooks' trigger kit. Should be nice.

What are you going with for a scope? I'd like to get an actual rimfire scope, but I have an old Bushnell Legend with an adjustable objective for parallax to 50 yards and below, and was thinking about using it for the .22.

I had really wanted the Trainer or Lux model over an American because they have the Iron Sights and when I go shooting with my daughter, both our rifles would have Irons rather than scopes. So if this American shoots well, the Lux or Trainer will be next.

Swampman · « **Reply #3 on:** August 09, 2009, 09:08:17 AM »

I'm thinking about the...

CZ452 / WARNE 7.3/.22 - 1" steel rings / Med.

or the....

MILLETT CZ452 EURO 1" MATTE MEDIUM Model - BN00022

I hate to spend $75.00 for bases & rings for this little rifle.

I have a new Nikon Prostaff 2-7X32 that I'm going to use.

Skunk · « **Reply #4 on:** August 09, 2009, 09:21:58 AM »

I like the idea of the using the Prostaff. I'd like to get down to that 2 power for a .22. The Legend I am thinking of using is a 5 X 15 and that seems to be a bit of over kill, but it's just sitting there and I might as well give it a try.

Skunk · « **Reply #5 on:** September 02, 2009, 08:10:10 PM »

How's your 452 shooting, Swamper? Have you had a chance to take it out to the range yet?

I ended up using the Bushnell Legend that has an Adjustable Objective after trying a Burris FF II 3x9x40. I could barely make out the targets at 50 yards or less with the Burris. Mine is shooting great, but I'm finding out that I'm having trouble getting used to the stock trigger. Just received a YoDave trigger kit and will eventually give it a try. Folks in the "know" claim it's the best $15.00 a fellow could spend on his 452.

Ladobe · « **Reply #6 on:** September 02, 2009, 11:10:27 PM »

All of my CZ & BRNO rifles wear CZ EuroSport rings. Very sleek and great looking on classic rifles. Not available here though unless you are on the "A" list. LOL

fr3db3ar · « **Reply #7 on:** September 03, 2009, 01:19:21 AM »

You really can't beat a YoDave kit. I have one in my trainer. That with a little polishing and you'll have a sweet trigger. People are always surprised when they pull mine.

Swampman · « **Reply #8 on:** September 03, 2009, 02:08:28 AM »

They look pretty tough to install.

hoghunting · « **Reply #9 on:** September 06, 2009, 12:40:03 PM »

I tried the Warne 7.3 rings, and they didn't fit well at all. The locking sideplate that is supposed to flip for the 3/8" or 11mm dovetail, wouldn't flip. The hole was not lined up for it to fit my 452 American. I returned them and bought the Burris Signature rings for rimfire. These come with two different sideplates, and I haven't had a single problem. I have the medium height - .400" - and it fits a 40mm objective perfectly.

Swampman · « **Reply #10 on:** September 06, 2009, 12:42:04 PM »

There doesn't seem to be a reasonably priced solution.

Skunk · « **Reply #11 on:** September 06, 2009, 02:05:41 PM »

Installed the YoDave trigger kit last Friday night. Ended up using the 2nd biggest shimming tube (green), and the 2nd heaviest Trigger Spring. Works Great! Put it through all the whacking and smacking tests and the sear & trigger stayed connected through them all. Also shot it with no mishaps. It appears perfectly safe. Haven't tested it with a trigger pull gauge yet, but it feels like around 2 lbs. with just a barely noticeable amount of creep. Now I can use the smallest shimming tube and the heaviest trigger spring out of the same kit and put those in the daughter's Scout so she has a decent, safe, trigger too. Pretty darn good little product for $15.00.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #12 on:** September 06, 2009, 02:36:35 PM »

I used the B-Square 3/8" dovetail to Weaver adapter and medium Burris Signature Zee rings which allows the 4-16x40 Elite 4200 scope to clear the barrel, the American has a standard 3/8" dovetail, not the 11mm of the other CZs. If I were going with a dovetail mount only, I'd use BKL rings.

Tim

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=360568

http://www.bkltech.com/

tangob5 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 08, 2009, 04:44:00 PM »

I tried various rings on my 453 Varmint in 17 HMR and ended up with the BKL 257 rings to mount my 4.5-14x40 VX III on it.

Feddog82 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 14, 2009, 10:31:14 AM »

Who makes a nice set of 11mm dovetail rings that I can use on my 452 Lux? They don't include rings for the models that use 11mm dovetail.

The CZ rings are trash. I already bought two sets and returned both b/c of problem with the screws. One was cross threaded in and wouldn't come out and the next set had a stripped/crushed thread that would not go in.

Thanks for the help.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #15 on:** September 14, 2009, 10:41:33 AM »

BKL

Swampman · « **Reply #16 on:** September 14, 2009, 11:07:31 AM »

I went with the Leupold vertical split .22 rings at Walmart for $11.95 and they worked just fine.

Brithunter · « **Reply #17 on:** September 21, 2009, 09:00:38 AM »

Hmmm well my earlier (1965 Vintage) Brno Model had a set of Hilver steel rings holding a leupold M8 4x Compact scope. however it now has the proper dedicated Meopta prepov 3x scope in a one piece mount on it.

The Hilver rings are now marketed un the Lynx or Tasco brand I believe.

Now swampman you havn't said how you like it nor how id shoots yet $:-\$ .

Swampman · « **Reply #18 on:** September 21, 2009, 10:02:55 AM »

I like it, but I have to drive an hour to really shoot it. I did run a few subsonics through it in the back yard, and it shoots pretty good. I think it's gonna need a trigger job.

Skunk · « **Reply #19 on:** September 21, 2009, 11:33:45 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 21, 2009, 10:02:55 AM

I think it's gonna need a trigger job.

Quote from: Swampman

They look pretty tough to install.

Swamper,

The YoDave kit is simple to install. Hardest part is driving the old roll pin out, and that is a simple procedure. No, I take that back. Actually the hardest part for many folks is deciding on which combination of shimming tube and spring to use. You could install the kit with no problem.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #20 on:** September 21, 2009, 11:50:34 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 21, 2009, 10:02:55 AM

I think it's gonna need a trigger job.

I went with the AS adjustable sear in mine, but the Brookie kit is real popular and works for a lot less money.

Tim

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1678/Product/CZ_452_ADJUSTABLE_SEAR

http://cz452.com/

Skunk · « **Reply #21 on:** September 21, 2009, 12:02:56 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on September 21, 2009, 11:50:34 AM

the Brookie kit is real popular and works for a lot less money.

The Yodave Kit is only $15.00 and is basically the same thing as the Brook's kit. YoDave actually ships one to you when you order it. Have you been reading the horror stories about Erik Brooks lately? It seems that he doesn't ship until you lodge a complaint to paypal or his local district attorney. I guess you can get his kits through Whittaker's. If I was going to buy an Erik Brooks kit, I wouldn't buy it from him. Just a FYI.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #22 on:** September 21, 2009, 01:55:03 PM »

Sorry to hear that, his service was well respected years ago when I bought my 452 American, I don't read much at RFC any more, the last few times I went there it was offline, yesterday or this morning in fact!

Tim

Skunk · « **Reply #23 on:** September 21, 2009, 02:09:49 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on September 21, 2009, 01:55:03 PM

Sorry to hear that, his service was well respected years ago when I bought my 452 American...

To me, he was like the guy who started it all with the CZ 452 accessories, and for that reason, plus the awesome information that he put together on 452s at his website, made me want to buy everything from him when in the market for parts. Then it seemed that every website I went to that talked CZ rimfires, folks were complaining about the service. Some say that he might be having health and family problems. I hope that everything goes well for him and his business gets back to normal. He has some awesome stuff to offer and his website is a virtual knowledge base on the 452.

Skunk · « **Reply #24 on:** September 22, 2009, 11:26:24 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on September 06, 2009, 02:36:35 PM

the American has a standard 3/8" dovetail, not the 11mm of the other CZs.

Tim,

The 452/453 Varmint in .22WMR and .17HMR also have a 3/8" dovetail. Also, the 452 FS in all offered chamberings has the 3/8" dovetail.

I doubt that anyone ever blamed CZ for making things simple.

Here's a copy & Paste from their 2009 Catalog:

DOVETAIL SIZES BY MODEL AND CALIBER

Model/Caliber .22 LR .22 WMR .17 Mach 2 .17 HMR
CZ 452/453 American 3/8" 3/8" 3/8" 3/8"
CZ 452/453 Varmint 11mm 3/8" 11mm 3/8"
CZ 452 Scout 11mm NA NA NA
CZ 452 Lux 11mm 11mm NA NA
CZ 452 FS 3/8” 3/8” NA 3/8”
CZ 452 Trainer 11mm NA NA NA
CZ 452 Style 11mm NA NA NA
CZ 452 Silhouette 11mm NA NA NA
CZ 513 Basic 11mm NA NA NA

EDIT: Just to confuse things a little more, it appears, for example, that in the 2007 CZ catalog, the 452 FS is depicted as having the 11mm Dovetail. I'm starting to think that one might not ever know what your going to get in terms of a dovetail on a 452 until you actually measure it yourself.

EDIT: In case anyone is interested in the proper way to measure the Dovetail on a CZ 452, here is a very good explanation with pictures from Sword Bearer over at Rimfire Central:

http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295503

Swampman · « **Reply #25 on:** September 22, 2009, 12:03:35 PM »

Hummm! Maybe that's why the Leupold rings worked just fine.

fr3db3ar · « **Reply #26 on:** September 22, 2009, 12:21:05 PM »

I use the high Burris Signature Rimfire rings on my Special/Trainer. I've had a lot of different scopes on it. I really like AO but it's currently wearing a Banner 3-9 with parallax set to around 37 yards. Shooting CCI SV @ 1050 I can sight it in @ 45 yards and hit a 2" circle from 25 to 50 just by aiming in the middle. I shot some squirrels today using a J&P 1/8" ghost ring in the rear and stock front sight. I missed one twice with hurried shots and my brother in law got that one

We shot 5 all together, 3 foxies and 2 grays.

It's a lot of work for such a small amount of meat $:-\$

Swampman · « **Reply #27 on:** October 30, 2009, 09:30:46 AM »

I shot it today. It gave tons of trouble with CCI Mini-Mags no strike, horrible misfeeds, no extraction, you name it. I was about to leave it in the trash can at the range when I decided to try some Remingtons. I functioned perfectly with Remington Target & Thunderbolts one hole at 25 yards. This will be my only and last CZ product.

Brithunter · « **Reply #28 on:** October 30, 2009, 01:22:06 PM »

Hmm Swampman I am sorry to hear of your trouble but I must say that I know of no one over here who uses the CCi Mini Mags except those who don't know better. They just ain't very accurate nor consistant. The only hyper velocity ammo that I personally have ever gotten respectable accuracy from is the new CCI Velocitor and several others have said it's good ammo here too (here in the UK that is). I tried :-

Winchester Lazer= Junk
Remington Yellow Jacket= very poor accuracy
CCI Mini Mgs= pure rubbish

The strange thing is that CCI Blazer shoots well but the Rem Thunderbolts shot awful and not one of my .22LR's have ever shot anything like accurately with those but these new Velocitors are OK, not steller or brilliant but usable. Now the Winchester Sub Sonics shot very well indeed sadly I cannot say the same for the RWS Sub Sonics I was persuaded to try. I will have to go and get some Winchesters again

Now my Brno Model 2 of 1965 vintage shoots very well indeed with a trigger that is almost a match one

however most of my rimfire shooting is with the BSA Super Sport Five with it's 16 1/2" barrel threaded for the sound moderator

Swampman · « **Reply #29 on:** October 30, 2009, 05:11:48 PM »

CCI has been my go to for years. It isn't the ammo, it's the rifle. It totally shuts down. It won't function period.