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Re: Obama Care summerised
« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2009, 09:35:40 AM »
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As far as I'm concerned they are the scourge of health care providors! companys like em cause they question everything and that is why some doctors wont deal with them! Most that uses united are self insured companies and those that arent big enough to have an insurance group to monitor claims themselves! MY Experience!
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« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2009, 02:00:07 PM »
Obama Care Summarized:

Obama and the rest of his kremlin associates are nothing more than complete and total liars.
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« Reply #62 on: August 12, 2009, 02:58:59 PM »
Obama care summarized in one word.

FASCIST!
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« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2009, 04:19:19 AM »
TM, I second what you said about the care you get can be good, or not so good, no matter where you get it.  Pryor to joining Kaiser, we had regular medical insurance where we could go to any doctor we wanted.  The care we had then was okay, but it depended on which doctor we happened to choose.  The exact same thing is true about Kaiser.  We have a very good doctor as our primary and the ones we've had in the past were also very good.  And they've always been 100% American.  Maybe we're just lucky, or maybe our Kaiser facility just happens to be a good one, but both my wife and I are still upright and breathing because of our doctor.  He literally has saved both of our lives by his care and diligence.  We have never been denied going to any specialist we requested.

All I want is to be able to go to a better system if it comes along and I don't want the possibilities to be limited by government in any way shape, or form. 

By the way, now that I think about it, maybe one of the best things about Kaiser is that you have to be a member to utilize their clinics and hospitals and that means that we don't have to wait in line behind a bunch of illegals and derelicts.
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« Reply #64 on: August 13, 2009, 10:42:18 AM »
If you people fall for the REPUBLICAN propaganda about- DEATH CAMPS- YOU ARE DRINKING THE COOL AID. An out and out lie to scare people.
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« Reply #65 on: August 13, 2009, 10:56:31 AM »
If you people fall for the REPUBLICAN propaganda about- DEATH CAMPS- YOU ARE DRINKING THE COOL AID. An out and out lie to scare people.

What Republican has made this statement?
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« Reply #66 on: August 13, 2009, 01:33:32 PM »
Oh my! Our resident lefty has resurfaced again to bash Republicans! I ma shocked and amazed! Will wonders never cease! 

We should pay close attention! This man knows his coolaide!
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« Reply #67 on: August 13, 2009, 02:14:37 PM »
Like all liberal lying scum.
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« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2009, 02:34:35 PM »
No lying Republicans preying on stupid people who are too dumb to think logically ? Death panels- death camps.really - Anyone who believes in that is truly an idiot.
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« Reply #69 on: August 13, 2009, 02:43:45 PM »
If you people fall for the REPUBLICAN propaganda about- DEATH CAMPS- YOU ARE DRINKING THE COOL AID. An out and out lie to scare people.

What Republican has made this statement?

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Re: Obama Care summerised
« Reply #71 on: August 13, 2009, 03:59:40 PM »
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too dumb to think logically


 ;D  Now that pretty much describes the whole obama support group! who are you thinking "we" are taking advantage of!
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« Reply #72 on: August 13, 2009, 04:06:48 PM »
"too dumb to think logically "

Is that the official slogan of the Democrat party?
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« Reply #73 on: August 13, 2009, 04:15:41 PM »
here it is- hope it works

http://www.politicalarticles.net/blog/2009/08/12/sarah-palins-death-panel-town-hall-meeting-trolls-and-health-care-reform/

So the lies continue. She said "death panels" not death camps. There is a differance. A death camp is like the Nazi camps during WW2 that they brought the jews to in order to kill them. A death panel is a real requirement under a single payer government run health care system. When you have government rationing health care, you must decide what sick people you are going to care for and which ones you will let die. Remember, in a single payer system, which is what Obama said he wants, the government must assemble panels to determine policy. SO a "death panel" is a real panel that is required under the system that Obama wants. It may not be called a death panel but it will exsist. The Nazi's called the death camps concentration camps but we all know what went on there.

Palin tells the truth and the liberal posts a lie.
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« Reply #74 on: August 13, 2009, 04:17:10 PM »
"too dumb to think logically "

Is that the official slogan of the Democrat party?

Could be, I would have to question the "logic" of anyone who is still proud they voted for him.

Remember, many of the Libs thought Bush blew up the Levees in New Orleans & that he caused Hurricanes & tornados, good stuff!  ;D
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« Reply #75 on: August 13, 2009, 04:19:32 PM »
No lying Republicans preying on stupid people who are too dumb to think logically ? Death panels- death camps.really - Anyone who believes in that is truly an idiot.



Death panels?
What would be a better term for them?
A government appointed panel will look at and decide on (who) will get, and( what kind of treatment) will be given.
Like b-o boy told the woman whose mother had surgery 5 YEARS AGO.
"Maybe a panel could have looked at your mothers records and decided she could have been better off without the surgery and taken pain pills instead!"
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« Reply #76 on: August 13, 2009, 04:20:38 PM »
here it is- hope it works

http://www.politicalarticles.net/blog/2009/08/12/sarah-palins-death-panel-town-hall-meeting-trolls-and-health-care-reform/

So the lies continue. She said "death panels" not death camps. There is a differance. A death camp is like the Nazi camps during WW2 that they brought the jews to in order to kill them. A death panel is a real requirement under a single payer government run health care system. When you have government rationing health care, you must decide what sick people you are going to care for and which ones you will let die. Remember, in a single payer system, which is what Obama said he wants, the government must assemble panels to determine policy. SO a "death panel" is a real panel that is required under the system that Obama wants. It may not be called a death panel but it will exsist. The Nazi's called the death camps concentration camps but we all know what went on there.

Palin tells the truth and the liberal posts a lie.

Lie is what Libs do!

We are told there were no death panels & yet today the Senate assure people that they removed these provisions. So I guess they removed something that doesn't exist by their own admission, hmmm!!  ::)
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« Reply #77 on: August 14, 2009, 03:14:13 AM »
Great idea TM!

"To dumb to think logically"

The official slogan for the Democrat party.

That will rank right up there with your signiature line.

I'm thinking we'll post parts of your standup routine at the BBQ on youtube.
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« Reply #78 on: August 14, 2009, 04:21:27 AM »
Cabin...about these so-called death panels, I would like to read more about them and as to where they are mentioned or their function in the HC bill.  Can you reference..? Policy meetings take place in any business as you know, so I'm just wondering what these 'panels' are suppose to be all about. We know private insurance companies also have routine policy and business meetings as well.

thanx...TM7

No I cannot TM7. Because what I said was they are applicable in a single payer government run health care system. Obama is already on the record in favor of a single payer system government run health care system. The bill on the floor is not a single payer health care plan but it clearly sets the stage for the progression to a single payer system. Under the plan, the government would enter the system as a national insurance provider. They will undercut the system and force the private providers out by a number of strategic components in the bill. Example, if you have private insurance, you can keep it as long as your employer offers it. If your employer switches to the government plan option only, you are stuck there for the rest of your life because even if you switch jobs, and that new employer offers both gov and private, you are not allowed to go back to private. If you are just entering the job market, your are required to go with the government plan. So by default, over the next say 10 to 20 years, everyone will be on a single payer government run plan. The bill makes it illegal for you to buy private insurance on your own.

The footage of Palin talking about this death panel predates the bill thats on the floor but proceeds Obama's public declaration for a single payer system. So Palin’s comments are spot on.

Any government run system requires a steering committee, panels, etc to manage the process and determine who will get what care. If you are an 80 year old women who comes down with breast cancer, you’re not getting treatment under a government plan. SO by default, you have been chosen to die. Whereas today, people make those choices for themselves with their doctor.

You cannot have it both ways. If we are going to let the government run health care, they are going to make decision that directly affect who and how the care is rationed. And in the process they will destroy the excellent system that we have and our costs will rise due to their proven track record and the fact they want to dole out health care to 47 million people who have no plan. BTW: in the 47 million are the 23million or so illegal aliens who likely don’t even pay taxes.
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« Reply #79 on: August 14, 2009, 07:43:58 AM »
 Death Camps??  No need to built them. There are enough Open Pit Mines in the country to store a good number of people.
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« Reply #80 on: August 14, 2009, 07:59:14 AM »
 
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Death Camps??  No need to built them. There are enough Open Pit Mines in the country to store a good number of people.

No need to discuss them either, since the only one talking about them is someone on the looney left fringe.   ::)

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Death panels- death camps.really - Anyone who believes in that is truly an idiot.

So everyone who voted for obammy believes in them?   ::)  Nice try though (when the truth doesn't work, just make something up - the motto of the demoncrap party).
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« Reply #81 on: August 14, 2009, 12:43:03 PM »
We already have death camps. I think the other name for them is abortion clinics.

JohnnyC, I think from looking back in history. Death camps are a very real possibility in the future. It depends on how many are going to stand for our freedom, that so many have fought and died for.
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« Reply #82 on: August 14, 2009, 01:58:56 PM »
In my opinion the word "death panels" is pretty legit.  It sounds horrible, but there HAS to be a group of people that decide if they are going to put someone on $500 of morphine compared to several thousand bucks of a medicine that "might" help or might not....it has to be that way if it's government run.  The reason is that healthy people don't need money from the government, the ONLY people that need help are sick, and there is just not enough money to hand out to everyone who wants to try the "new stuff" that curred someone somewhere else.  Logic says they have to choose what will be spent.  It's called rationing, and the people that deicide these things right now could be called a death panel, because that is what they are actually deciding in some cases.
Anyone that says different is just plain wrong.  When my dad was in supre bad shape with insurance, they wanted to extend his life, said they could for another six months, but we knew he did not want that, and we decided to hook up the morphine instead of the breathing machine.  My brothers and my mom were in fact...a death panel.  The difference is family decided and not some people somewhere else.  OK....death panel sounds bad....make it a political thing and run down Palin, conservatives...whatever.  The left wing nuts shold tell me the correct term then....please tell me what you would call it.  I bet we both mean the same thing, but t wing nut just has a different word to make it sound better.

The president and some in Congress have a problem.  The legislation as it reads is not what they are selling, too many people reading it.  That is their main problem. They look and sound like liars, because the house bill is available to all of us.  That is their only problem, they are liars, or too dumb to read what the "staff" put in there...choose one of those, either way, it's bad news.  I heard Obam's town hall meeting tonight, after going over the legislation, I have no problem saying he is either a liar, or too stupid to read what I'm reading.  Another thing...if I was in a town meeting with him, and allowed to ask one question, it would be "Mr. president, had the house and the senate passed the health care bill right away, would you have signed it in it's current form right away?"  I would have asked it quietly and with respect.  We know he would have.  Scary huh?  His answer would be interesting, and millions that have read the legislation would have come to the conclusion he is either a liar, or not reading this stuff, and doesn't care what's in it.  1000 plus pages of anything can't be good regardless if you read it or not.


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« Reply #83 on: August 15, 2009, 03:29:45 AM »
"There are always restraints and limits"

See, I knew someone could come up with something that "sounds better" than death panels....LOL!!   Just like I said...some will call it something that sounds different or better....each to their own.

What is it...HR3200?  I think that's it....read it...read closely....then call it what you will, but it's cause for at least some concern I would think.

While your at it, read the whole 1000 plus page deal...there are lots of "neat" things in there. 


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« Reply #84 on: August 15, 2009, 05:06:30 AM »
Okay thanx Cabin,,,I couldn't find anything that I could construe as 'death panels' at this time either.
As you know this HC insurance reform has gotten whipped into a frenzy of mis-quotations and mis-info for a while.  Looks like so-called conservatives are a very emotional bunch after all, especially with the prodding of Rush, Hannity and the like. Palin's comments don't hold water and lack alot of substance once again.

..TM7

TM7,

Don't take much liberty with my words. Palins comments are dead spot on as I stated in my post. As I said, Obama is "on the record" of wanting a single payer system. Panels to review end of life care are a REQUIREMENT in that system. In fact, the bill thats on the floor now, had that provision removed by the democrates. They were setting the stage for the single payer system as they know this legislation will crush private insurane companies out of business. Read for yourself:
http://nwipatriots.com/blog/2009/08/14/imaginary-death-panel-provision-removed-from-bill/

So while the lefties are bashing Palin for the term "death panels", the reality is she is spot on and highlighted a provision that would have required by law for these panels to start forming and planning for the day when they are required to implement thier plans that directly address the "end of life" health care process. So this means they will detemrine who is worthy of care and who is not worthy of care, and that impact life & death.

The only ones not telling the truth on this specific point are the liberlas. Palin is correct and the liberals hate her for highligting big government run amuck and the liberals end-plan for a single payer governmet run system.
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« Reply #85 on: August 15, 2009, 06:58:26 AM »
TM you have had quite a bit of ticker problems haven't you? And with your age and all do you think the death panel will give you the best options available?
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« Reply #86 on: August 15, 2009, 07:48:56 AM »
TM7,

I always try to go to the links you provide just to get a grasp on your mind set, but correct me if I am wrong but I believe one of the links you provided takes you to somekind of dating or singles search type of web site. I didn't find much about health care but I do have a date for next Friday.  ;D ;D

15,000 is a large number but according to a USA Today article there are over 750,000 doctors in the united states. That would be just 2% of the doctors support single payer.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/07/us-savior-forei.html

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« Reply #87 on: August 15, 2009, 10:02:23 AM »
My brother is has been a practicing surgeon for nearly 30 years and his wife's an RN. Both of them think Obama’s plan will destroy the quality of our health care system and raise the costs to tax payers. They know of no other doctor or nurse that supports this pile of garbage. If it passes, they both said they will retire early from the medical field within a couple of years. They have no intention of sticking around till the environment becomes unbearable and the practice he has built becomes worthless.
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« Reply #88 on: August 15, 2009, 10:16:35 AM »
TM7,

I always try to go to the links you provide just to get a grasp on your mind set, but correct me if I am wrong but I believe one of the links you provided takes you to somekind of dating or singles search type of web site. I didn't find much about health care but I do have a date for next Friday.  ;D ;D

15,000 is a large number but according to a USA Today article there are over 750,000 doctors in the united states. That would be just 2% of the doctors support single payer.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/07/us-savior-forei.html

Lets leve kids and babies out of the mud slinging. Just a thought.





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What happen..? A broken link got you a hot repubnik date...?   Pretty good....you're welcome... :D I bet it is easy to set her off on a rant.. ;) so be careful. 
As for leaving kids out of IT. IT was Palin that brought her son, Trig, into the equation...not me. This is curious after jerk Letterman tried to disgrace her children.  So I guess what goes around comes around.  Palin is fair game as she tried to popularize and profit from the 'death panel' jingoism brought to us by ChucK Grassely after reading an article from party switcher operative Betsy McCouhey of NY.....and another unpatriotic patriot she is (i.e. Betsy--Palin being a parrot on the rez) and piece of work...working for the elite establishment. And this is what this HC reform has distilled down too....this time the HC insurance establishment further consolidating its wealth and power over regular Americans once again. Split and divide as you can easily see...it is ashame.



..TM7

Hmmm, sounds like Obama taliking points!!
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Re: Obama Care summerised
« Reply #89 on: August 15, 2009, 10:26:27 AM »
What does it matter how many support something?  Even a majority does not matter if the majority is wrong.  Heck, at least 1/3 of the people that live in the US are all messed up and thinking strange things.  There are entire cities where more than half the people are wacked out.  What's that prove?
They can find 15,000 people that support this stuff easy...how many of them READ the legislation and does not have an agenda or political agenda?

Tm...your a smart guy, your capable of reading the legislation, all of it, you've read a lot more than that and have obtained a whole bunch more information than the average guy. But if your dead set on a certain goal or agenda, your also smart enough to try to get around what it says.
If you agree this 1300 pages of garbage is what we need...you need to run for congress...you fit right in, and can make it sound good too.
Personaly I think you know the reform we need can fit on five pages pretty easy, you actually have to justify all the crap in there somehow.
You said a long time ago we need to make sure congress does it right.  Well..you should be raising heck with this health care thing too then.
I know you've studied it.....there is a lot of things in there you know is bogus and some thing have nothing to do with health care reform.  Since you also know our congress won't change it, or read what their staff put in there...let's try to kill it ALL.  Start over.