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22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« on: August 04, 2009, 05:35:19 PM »
This is the simplified 22 rf to Hornet re-chamber.  First take the ejector out, then put a couple thicknesses of paper towl or paper under the ejector (this holds the ejector slightly to the rear so that a little dirt under it won't mess up the lockup), also put a little piece of cleaning patch under the ejector so it is pushed up hard when you push it to the closed position.  See pictures.  Do not buy a Hornet ejector, you will have to mill out the breach to fit it.  Cut the Hornet chamber with the 22rf ejector in place, you will see that the rim cut for the 22rf is slightly larger than the Hornet rim, they do this so that the fireing pin will not hit the barrel above the rim of the RF cartridge.  Run in the reamer, I use a sizing reamer run in short and then my finish reamer, take it out of the lathe, put a little scotch birght pad on an old brush and polish the chamber some, put it back to gether without the paper and patch parts and you are all set, takes less than and hour, only 40 minutes if I hadn't stopped for a Gin and Tonic.  Larry












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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 06:20:35 PM »
Larry: Thanks, it is well done.
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2009, 06:33:56 PM »
Now that just made it look easy. Way too easy. Dang it Larry, now I gotta add another project to the to do list.  ;D Thanks for the detailed write up yet again. You ought to start up a book. 1,001 Projects for your Handi Rifle
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2009, 11:01:52 AM »
Nice job Larry.
You make things look so easy :D



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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2009, 11:21:26 AM »
I even shot it and it didn't blow up or anything.  Larry
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2009, 12:01:08 PM »
Could you do this to a VersaPack offset barrel?
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2009, 12:53:57 PM »
  Personally, i'd want to use a bbl. that started out with the SAME diameter bullet that the hornet has.

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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2009, 01:09:08 PM »
The versapack barrel would end up with the fireing pin in the wrong place, and 22 Hornets were origionally made up using 22 rf barrels, so yes, a 22rf barrel is what a Hornet can properly be made from.  Larry
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 01:09:35 PM »
Mmmm...

What sizes did you get when you slugged them, Dilling Man?

Or..., are you ASSuming?
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 01:13:12 PM »
Good Work as usual Larry. You are getting to be quite the expert on Handi rifles ;)

PS I am a little jealous of your lathe but do not want to begrudge you of your fine work  ;D
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2009, 03:58:20 PM »
Quote from: OBXPilgrim on August 05, 2009, 01:09:35 PM
Mmmm...

What sizes did you get when you slugged them, Dilling Man?

Or..., are you ASSuming?

  The 22 lr ammo i've measured, came in at .222".  Hornets these days, are .224".  This is the sizes used in the bbls i've measured...  Are nef's non standard, i've never measured a nef bbl.?

  How about yourself, have you measured any?

  DM
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2009, 04:10:27 PM »
don't measure the ammo, measure the barrel.  Most .22lr groove diameter are around .223 with a 1-16' twist.  The original 22 Hornet was designed from rechambered .22lr barrels.  The original Hornet bullets were all .223 and no heavier than 40 or 45 grains (to accomodate the 16" twist).  Modern Hornets are usually .224 groove.  You can still buy .223 Hornet projectiles.

Larry rechambered a 22lr to Hornet for me.  I use .223 bullets.  It shoots AWESOME!!!
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2009, 04:22:37 PM »
S&B 45gr bullets measure .222 for me, I have one Fronteer brass factory load with a V-Max bullet that measures .225 but that is probably because of the crimp they use on it.  A .22 long RF also measures .225 and I have some Long Rifle that measures .223.  Jacketed Winchester 22 Mag 40gr bullets also measure .225 also probably because of the crimp.  Fact is they all go down the barrel just fine, 2 or 3 thousanths just doesn't matter a bit, most people who know say maximum accuracy is had with projectiles .002 larger than bore diameter, probably of more concern would be the twist rate, but that is why all hornets are loaded with short little bullets with round noses.  Larry
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2009, 04:26:59 PM »
Also my H&R 22 Mag barrel slugs out at .2235, so go figure.  In the past I have seen .22rf barrels for 10-22's designed to swage down a 22 bullet to 20 cal and get a little more velocity out of it.  Larry
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2009, 03:03:15 AM »
Quote from: dieselten on August 05, 2009, 04:10:27 PM
don't measure the ammo, measure the barrel.  Most .22lr groove diameter are around .223 with a 1-16' twist.  The original 22 Hornet was designed from rechambered .22lr barrels.  The original Hornet bullets were all .223 and no heavier than 40 or 45 grains (to accomodate the 16" twist).  Modern Hornets are usually .224 groove.  You can still buy .223 Hornet projectiles.

Larry rechambered a 22lr to Hornet for me.  I use .223 bullets.  It shoots AWESOME!!!

  I guess you missed the part above where i said that i have measured bbls.??  Anyway, i use cerosafe to get my measurment instead of a slug.

  I've been around long enough to have owned guns chambered for the hornet cartridge that came with .223" bbls, but i didn't think anyone was useing such undersize bbls today.  I guess when your making a gun with such a low price, you have to save money someplace.

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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2009, 03:19:29 PM »
Quote from: Drilling Man on August 05, 2009, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: OBXPilgrim on August 05, 2009, 01:09:35 PM
Mmmm...

What sizes did you get when you slugged them, Dilling Man?

Or..., are you ASSuming?

  The 22 lr ammo i've measured, came in at .222".  Hornets these days, are .224".  This is the sizes used in the bbls i've measured...  Are nef's non standard, i've never measured a nef bbl.?

  How about yourself, have you measured any?

  DM

Haven't measured a single .22 RF Handi, don't even have one...but then again I wasn't the one talking like I knew more than everyone else, was I?

So...you looking to upgrade to a Handi?


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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2009, 03:39:32 PM »
Here Here!!!, I'm with you Pilgrim...

so what bad difference is .001" (or .0005") smaller supposed to make?....<><....:)

someone(?) once told me a .22LR single shot rifle (Sportster/Handi) could not be rechambered (the chamber reamed out) to a .22 WRM becuase the mag bullets were .001" larger...he was WRONG....<><....:)
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2009, 04:49:05 PM »
Quote from: OBXPilgrim on August 06, 2009, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: Drilling Man on August 05, 2009, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: OBXPilgrim on August 05, 2009, 01:09:35 PM
Mmmm...

What sizes did you get when you slugged them, Dilling Man?

Or..., are you ASSuming?

  The 22 lr ammo i've measured, came in at .222".  Hornets these days, are .224".  This is the sizes used in the bbls i've measured...  Are nef's non standard, i've never measured a nef bbl.?

  How about yourself, have you measured any?

  DM

Haven't measured a single .22 RF Handi, don't even have one...but then again I wasn't the one talking like I knew more than everyone else, was I?

So...you looking to upgrade to a Handi?



  Upgrade from what???  A speer???  ha ha ha

  I had no idea that stateing "my" personal preference, was "knowing more than everyone else"??  You must be pretty insecure in your knowledge to think that...

  DM
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2009, 05:11:41 PM »
Quote from: MSP Ret on August 06, 2009, 03:39:32 PM
Here Here!!!, I'm with you Pilgrim...

so what bad difference is .001" (or .0005" smaller supposed to make?....<><....:)

someone(?) once told me a .22LR single shot rifle (Sportster/Handi) could not be rechambered (the chamber reamed out) to a .22 WRM becuase the mag bullets were .001" larger...he was WRONG....<><....:)
I had a .22hornet that a young aspiring smith conjured up back in '92 or so... He 'poxied a 22 rimfire barrel into a 490 20ga. stub..traded him a jw15 .22 for it.. It shot ok but hadda shim da heck outa the mounts to get the scope to line up...Sold it for 130$, wish i still had the jw 15.. the barrel he reamed was off of an old cheap .22 autoloader..can't recall the brand.. :-\
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2009, 03:46:12 AM »
Only thing that matters is how it shoots.

And yes Mr Drilling, if a guy can have it for a couple hundred instead of a couple of thousand, I'm even more in favor of it.


Thanks for the info Larry, I might just have to have my GS do one of these for me someday.
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2009, 07:11:03 AM »
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And yes Mr Drilling, if a guy can have it for a couple hundred instead of a couple of thousand, I'm even more in favor of it.

  I agree, that is, when we are talking apples to apples, and not apples to oranges...

  I guess the "couple thousand" remark was a snipe at my drilling??  Here's a news flash for you, i bought my drilling for LESS than most of you have into your NEF collections...

  DM
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2009, 07:27:21 AM »
Larry

That is basicly what Wayne did for me with my 22 mag to 218 Bee and the same done in 22 Rem Jet , all these rounds can or have been done with either .222 .223 or .224 dia bullets .

Once you slug the barrel , you will know which bullet to use , not as big of a deal as some would make it out to be .

Drilling Man

I just don't understand your responce , first you say that we need to compare apples to apples BUT you try to compare the cost of 1 rifle with the cost of a whole collection .  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2009, 09:18:05 AM »
I got the barrel back today in the mail... Thanks Larry.
As usual the work looks beautiful and the chamber looks like a mirror finish.
I have mounted a Simmons 3-9x50 on it and plan on putting some 45gr. Remington ammo through it today.
This is the same 22mag barrel that I shot quarters with at 100 yds.
If it shoots as well as a Hornet I will be a very happy camper. ;D
I will post pictures of the groups.


Larry... thanks for another great job.
Your work is top shelf. ;)



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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2009, 09:41:25 AM »
DM, I had read over a few pages of your previous posts and I am impressed with your work, but but us Handi guys get a little defensive. ;D

Quote from: Drilling Man on August 06, 2009, 03:03:15 AM
I guess when your making a gun with such a low price, you have to save money someplace.


........Upgrade from what???  A speer???  ha ha ha

  DM
 
I did read about your $350 (+ elbow grease) gun.  Nice!



Too bad this thread had to take such a nose dive, it would have made a great sticky!
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2009, 12:05:52 PM »
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Drilling Man

I just don't understand your responce , first you say that we need to compare apples to apples BUT you try to compare the cost of 1 rifle with the cost of a whole collection .         

stimpy

  Now stimpy,

  IF you reread this thread, even a 5th grader can see i never said that until AFTER this was said to me.

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And yes Mr Drilling, if a guy can have it for a couple hundred instead of a couple of thousand, I'm even more in favor of it.

  You do know where he was going with that, don't you??  So, take your question up with that dude!

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DM, I had read over a few pages of your previous posts and I am impressed with your work, but but us Handi guys get a little defensive.


Quote from: Drilling Man on Yesterday at 09:03:15 AM
I guess when your making a gun with such a low price, you have to save money someplace.


........Upgrade from what???  A speer???  ha ha ha

  DM
 

I did read about your $350 (+ elbow grease) gun.  Nice!

  Thankyou "snapcrackpop" for understanding that i wasn't attacking anyone here in my origional post...
 
  DM
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Re: 22 RF to 22 Hornet how to:
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2009, 03:15:24 AM »
The newer CZ .22 Hornet rifles have a good reputation for accurate shooting, and their barrel dimensions (bore / groove) are usually closer to .22LR dimensions than standard 22 Hornet dimensions. Perhaps they are using their hammer forged .22LR barrels too? Apparently, Hornets like both tight chambers, and tight barrels. Old Winchester model 54's have a very good reputation for accuracy too.

Thanks for the photos, and description of your conversion Larry...
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