and now, a little something different....my first rifle, a Mauser trainer in full military dress in .22 caliber. My dad got it in a trade for a tooth extraction or some such. Gave it to me and my older brother. My uncle came in from Texas and gave us a Winchester pump (1897 or so). I later traded my bro his half of the Mauser for my half of the Winchester. My Mauser looks like it did when we got it some 50 years ago....the Winchester is rusted up with neglect. This rifle has the sliding rear sight just like the 8mm does and goes out to 200 meters. With standard velocity ammo it is dead on from 25 to 200 meters. If I can see it ....I can hit it, no scope, no laser, no bs. This is the one I will have in my cold dead hand. nuff said.