How heavy an Arrow

[rex6666]

I have not weighed an arrow, just using a "swag"
8.6gpi X 29 =249.4
30gr. for nock,insert,fletching
100gr. tip
379.4
like i said that is a "swag" speed about 260fps 65lb
do i need a heavier arrow for elk? (would like to have pass through)
what weight arrow do you use?

[huntswithdogs]

When my son lived in Idaho, I could about swear they have a minimum weight requirement on arrows while hunting elk. You may want to check the regs where you're gonna hunt to make sure something of this nature doesn't apply.  Can ya get a pass thru on an elk, without shooting back in the soft stuff? Maybe one of these days I'll get the chance you have to find out.


HWD

[ms]

I have not weighed an arrow, just using a "swag"
8.6gpi X 29 =249.4
30gr. for nock,insert,fletching
100gr. tip
379.4
like i said that is a "swag" speed about 260fps 65lb
do i need a heavier arrow for elk? (would like to have pass through)
what weight arrow do you use?

What ever you do make sure you use a fixed blade.

[ms]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpHpVR5SUX8

[rex6666]

sorry ms i'm using compound bow. I can also show you several pictures of Rage 2 blade doing quite a job on elk.
I have not decided between schuttle t-lock and Rage 2 blade
Ms i didn't know you wre a bowhunter.

[rex6666]

When my son lived in Idaho, I could about swear they have a minimum weight requirement on arrows while hunting elk. You may want to check the regs where you're gonna hunt to make sure something of this nature doesn't apply.  Can ya get a pass thru on an elk, without shooting back in the soft stuff? Maybe one of these days I'll get the chance you have to find out.


HWD

I have never ask anyone that has hunted elk a lot with a bow about pass throughs. Maybe The Montanan or some of the others can shead some light on this

[ms]

sorry ms i'm using compound bow. I can also show you several pictures of Rage 2 blade doing quite a job on elk.
I have not decided between schuttle t-lock and Rage 2 blade
Ms i didn't know you wre a bowhunter.

I have been a bowhunter almost 20 yards. I shot a big doe with a spitfire mechanical at 10 yard the mechanical didn't open I lost that deer. I haven't killed a deer with my bow in while it's been by choice. I wish you good luck on your hunt. Btw I shoot only compound bow with Magnus stinger they fly like a field tip.

[Jacko]

While I understand the the importance of arrow speed in regards to arrow trajectory and accuracy I do not understand why the marketing of the archery product manufacturers who's product is aimed at compound archers , the majority of whom use sights . Why have they decided to employ marketing men to rewrite the laws of physics and thousands of years of accumulated archery knowledge by promoting that arrows that light with expanding blade or multiple blade heads will reliably penetrate an animals rib cage as thats what the animals vitals are protected by .

With the great performance your bow offers why not take advantage of your carbon arrows small diametre and step up to a moderately heavy arrow of around 500 gr by using a heavy brass incert and / or weight tubes , retune sights if you use them or just reaquaint yourself with the trajectory if you don't and dramatically increase your arrows penetrative ability . Definatly agree with the others re using a 2 blade head , preferably of a stout 1 piece construction glued over a tapered incert instead of screw in .

I do shoot a lighter traditional hunting bow and do prefer heavier arrows than 500 gr when I hunt and shoot target so freely admit a bias but I have a mate who shoots a 72# compound and has a 31" draw length that uses nearly 500 gr arrows . He recently set a new club record on the field coarse and the penetration on game he gets is unreal .

regards Jacko

[rex6666]

I understand and agree with what you are saying.
I hope to find that balance of speed and weight, just like with a rife bullet.
I don't want a 458mag at 20yards or a 22 at 50yards.
The t-lock head is solid s/s body and 3 s/s steel blades, just can't believe
any head is going to be stronger,
They also shoot to the same place as my field tips.
I have confidence in them.
I may step up to a heavier arrow, and a 125gr t-lock.

[41 mag]

Hey Rex,

What poundage is your bow rated for and what are you comfortable drawing?

Right now I have two 70# rated bows, one is set to 67# the other at 65#. The first will drive my 430gr carbons to 268fps and my 470gr FMJ's to 248fps. The seconds will drive the same carbons to 270fps and the FMJ's to 265fps. Granted this is not blazing speed in relation to a Monster or similar bow, however either should put the FMJ through both sides of an elk, if I did my part.

As mentioned above, speed isn't everything in hunting, if you can't get into the vitals. Another head you might look at besides the already mentioned Magnus, is the Slick Trick Razor Trick. This is one mean well built head that will do some damage.

Good luck on your hunt.

[rex6666]

Hey Rex,

What poundage is your bow rated for and what are you comfortable drawing?

Right now I have two 70# rated bows, one is set to 67# the other at 65#. The first will drive my 430gr carbons to 268fps and my 470gr FMJ's to 248fps. The seconds will drive the same carbons to 270fps and the FMJ's to 265fps. Granted this is not blazing speed in relation to a Monster or similar bow, however either should put the FMJ through both sides of an elk, if I did my part.

As mentioned above, speed isn't everything in hunting, if you can't get into the vitals. Another head you might look at besides the already mentioned Magnus, is the Slick Trick Razor Trick. This is one mean well built head that will do some damage.

Good luck on your hunt.

I am shooting at 65# 28' draw can go to 70# and 30" i have been shooting
ST EPIC at 29" have ordered ST AXIS, and thinking seriously about the
AXIS FMJ  I have some SLICK TRICKS  and like them but the T-Locks just
shoot better in my rig. the T-lock is all stainless steel with chisel point
the 3 s/s blades that lock in and they shoot to the same point as my field tips.
a guy i shoot with some at the pro-shop showed me pictures of a whitetail
shoulder bone with 1 hole and the 3 cuts the blades made. He has killed elk and mule deer with them and says he has never bent one even on elk ribs.

Season is sept 16-22 i can hardly wait

[41 mag]

I have shot the T's a few times but not hunted with them. They seem to be well made but I am hooked on the tricks. I can't show anything from the deer I got with the standard last Oct, but it blew almost a 2" hole through the back just between the shoulders. Way in excess of what I would have thought it capable of doing.

I can show you this one though from a hog taken a couple months ago using the Razor Trick, you can see one of the ribs in the middle of the hole.


It went through the back edge of the shoulder blade and two ribs going in and cut two ribs going out. I found it about 30yds behind where the hog was standing. It went through so quick and made no noise on impact, and I actually thought I missed the thing. It ruffled the edge of the blades a tiny bit but it only took a few strokes from the stone to get it right back to razor sharp.

I guess that is one of the things I like the most about the Tricks, being able to sharpen them right back to scary sharp or simply swap them out if they are damaged. The only ones I have actually damaged were from hitting the backside of another when shooting targets.

Anyway use one YOU feel is the best and which one shoots the best and you will do fine. Confidence is 90% of it. If you feel it will do well, you will do well, and the rest, well once you trip the release, isn't up to you anymore.

[rex6666]

That is impresive. I have ordered 6 ST AXIS so i may try the tricks i have on the heavier sxis and see how they shot since i will probably have to readjust
my sights. I like the tricks good quaility and built tough.

[rex6666]

OK!
with st axis, 125gr. head my new arrows weigh 438.26gr and shoot the same
with field tips or G5 montec or t-lock 125's tried 125 muzzy and just can't get
warmed up to them, will go with g5 or t-lock. Weighed them on paint scales in grams then had to covert to grains, 1gram=15.432grains.
learn some thing new some days.

[a45gunslinger]

http://www.goldtip.com/calculators/kinetic.asp

try this -kevin

[rex6666]

http://www.goldtip.com/calculators/kinetic.asp

try this -kevin

Thanks
i should be getting 56lb
that is plenty good for any thing. "this year"

[kinslayer1965]

Rex,

Should get great results with that kind of energy.

My hunting arrows for my compound weigh 475grains with a 100 grain muzzies on the end of it. the arrows i use with my long bow are just a bit over 600grains.

I am a firm believer in heavy arrows over speed. I put weight tubes in my carbon arrows to bump the weight up and to slow the arrow down a bit. My x-force was launching my old arrows at over 320fps and I couldnt get my muzzies to fly like I wanted. I am down to 280 fps and back to my tght groups with my muzzie broadheads.

Going to Kansas in november and hope to try them out on a bruiser.

Good luck and good hunting