Author Topic: swords (Read 6115 times)

jamaldog87 · « **on:** August 07, 2009, 10:05:51 AM »

i did not were to post this. anyways do you own any real swords and do you think you could protect yourself with one if all hell broke loose? I have a few from a wakizashi to a Shin-gunto.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #1 on:** August 07, 2009, 10:27:55 AM »

nope don't own one , if they get that close i have really messed up ! or run out of ammo !

Almtnman · « **Reply #2 on:** August 07, 2009, 10:33:07 AM »

I don't own one either. If I run out of ammo like SHOOTALL mentioned, I would probably use one of my sheath knives. I had to protect myself once before many years ago with a knife and it was a blessing that I had it with me at the time.

wganz · « **Reply #3 on:** August 07, 2009, 10:41:41 AM »

I have a functional katana and have had some sword training. Now, the #1 impression is that sword fighting is done at halitosis range. You're going to get splattered with your opponent's blood. With that said, I would be able to use my katana a lot more effectively than the typical machete hacker.

With that said, given the option; I'm going to do the Moazambique Drill unless I have a REALLY REALLY GOOD tactical advantage/justification to get that close to my opponent. And close is the opposite of the advice in the Italian proverb, "Distance is the best armor."

AR15 > GLOCK > katana

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #4 on:** August 07, 2009, 10:52:38 AM »

wganz,
maybe you could add a shotgun between the ar and the glock , just an idea .

Almtnman · « **Reply #5 on:** August 07, 2009, 10:58:45 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 07, 2009, 10:52:38 AM

wganz,
maybe you could add a shotgun between the ar and the glock , just an idea .

entrenching tool would fit right in there too! They were a favorite weapon with the special forces.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2009, 11:11:15 AM »

I was going to say that

and add Bow or sling shot between Glock and sword.

I own a few really old saber foils and while neat and have taken a fencing lesson. I do not see a sword as a viable home defense weapon.
especally in my small old house. The rooms are small the ceelings are low and the door and hallways are narrow.
If it were a matter of $ I would sell the foils, sabers, and what ever else and buy a cheap single shot shotgun. Cut it down and mount sights or use glow paint the front bead and keep a belt of bird shot on hand that can either go over my shoulder or around my waist at night. Any cheap pump gun will work as well.
I have often thought a tactical bathrobe would be a good idea. Having speed loaders, a bright flash light, and maybe some shotgun shells already in the robe so if something goes bump in the night.
At my house it would go M28 4" in 357 mag with three speed loaders and a 7 shot 870 with a 6 more on the frame. the hand gun it to get to the closet to get the pump gun. there also is a second revolver by the front door.

Almtnman · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2009, 11:57:34 AM »

mcwoodduck, I have a Mossberg 18.5 inch barrel 12 gauge sitting beside my bed. It holds six shots, but I only load 5 as I keep the chamber empty. It has a six shell saddle holder mounted on the left of the receiver and a mini-mag light mounted close to the end of the barrel. I went with the Mossberg after debating if I wanted the Mossberg or the 870. I decided on the Mossberg because I prefer a tang safety especially when it's dark. I can feel the tang safety with my thumb at night and know if it's on or ready to fire. I couldn't do that with the 870 as it sometimes gets confusing in the dark knowing which way I need to push the safety on it. With that I keep a Sig P220 loaded with 230 grain 45acp Federal hydra-shoks under my pillow. And scattered around the house in several other locations is plenty of rifles, shotguns and pistols in case someone wants to invade my space. I also have a NEF single shot youth model 20 gauge sitting close by and sometimes have to get up late at night and dispatch a varmint trying to raid my chicken coop. I think maybe that little NEF 20 gauge has been used more than any other gun in the house. On a side note back when I was in Korea, I cleared an entire hooch out one night with an entrenching tool, so those things are plenty bad especially when the blade is sharpened. It's what I call a fierce tomahawk.

Dweezil · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2009, 01:37:56 PM »

Closest I have is a Kukri and a Kindjal...but if it comes down to swordplay I'm not too proud to run. When blades are involved, even the winner usually gets cut. I'm thinking pepper spray to the face and haul ass.

Almtnman · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2009, 01:49:00 PM »

Quote from: Dweezil on August 07, 2009, 01:37:56 PM

Closest I have is a Kukri and a Kindjal...but if it comes down to swordplay I'm not too proud to run. When blades are involved, even the winner usually gets cut. I'm thinking pepper spray to the face and haul ass.

A can of wasp spray works much, much better than pepper spray. It has about a 20 foot reach where pepper spray has about a foot or so and will stop someone quick.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #10 on:** August 07, 2009, 02:02:23 PM »

I fixed the safety thing with the 870 and installed one of the tactical safeties. thought the big ball would be good.
Well if you put the safety on and pull the trigger your finger will auto take the safety off.
no muss no fuss. With my fathers 835 water fowel gun I have problems taking the safety off. with all the side by side I shoot you would think it would be second nature but I end up fighting it. Now I just put it on to walk in and out of the swamp
I tend to keep revolvers in the house as they can sit the same way for years and i never have to worry about springs or mags or nothing.
I have a few sigs and like them a lot. But 38's and 357's are the house guns.
when I lived in southern CA my go to was a coyote rifle as an H&R in 22mag with a red dot.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** August 08, 2009, 02:27:22 AM »

mcwoodduck, check out in the box buck shot testing in sheetrock , that birdshot stuff worries me .

Drilling Man · « **Reply #12 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:02:00 AM »

I have a Samurai sword,

I think if anyone gets past my handgun, that sword won't do me much good...

DM

jlwilliams · « **Reply #13 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:12:52 AM »

  I own some swords, mostly because I like them.

  The pre-eminent long blade in world wide use today it the machette. This is the truth, and it's true for good reasons. First reason is that it's a tool. A katana is a great weapon, but a macette you can use to clear a trail or harvest crops. Another reason is that they are cheap and easy to get, therefor easy to replace if you use it up, break it, or drop it while you run to fight another day. That big blade made of thin steel is fearsome against bodies.

  If you are familiar with asian martial arts and a little of the history surrounding them, you may be familiar with the origins of the 'classic' karate/kobudo weaponry. Weapons like the nunchuck, sai, tonfa and so on were adapted from agricultural implements. This happened because not only were swords regulated out of the reach of the common man but also because these implements could be on hand when you need them. Using the same train of thought brings us to the shovel, the can of wasp spray, the ball peen hammer, the maglight and the machette. Stuff you can get and have around. If you need a weapon, you got one. If you don't need a weapon, you can at least get some work done.

  My swords are usable, but I just have them as decorations. My machette is what I would grab for anything rough.

BBF · « **Reply #14 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:45:27 AM »

I got to wonder where some of you people live that you have to have all that firepower close by and handy.

Up here, having a firearm loaded and handy is a No No.

Shooting someone in Self Defense is an entirely different kettle of trouble here then down your way.

You are going to be arrested for sure to start with and it will cost you big $ to prove that you were justified.

The nearest thing I could grab would be a Japanese One-hander. We are counting on our dogs to give us a heads up if anything should get on the property.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #15 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:17:05 AM »

so i guess ya'll up there feel it better to die than to fight to live and suffer the out come ?
I hope life never means so little to me ! mine in particular .

Drilling Man · « **Reply #16 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:18:21 AM »

Quote from: BBF on August 08, 2009, 03:45:27 AM

I got to wonder were some of you people live that you have to have all that firepower close by and handy.

For the most part, we live where we are still FREE. Now you know why we kicked the Britts out of "our" country... lol You do know where they went when we did that, don't you???

DM

AtlLaw · « **Reply #17 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:28:04 AM »

Quote from: jamaldog87 on August 07, 2009, 10:05:51 AM

have a few from a wakizashi to a Shin-gunto.

They let you keep them in gov't housing down there in Florida Jamal?

Well, you have done it again! Come up with a good topic that is.

A lot of interest right away!

I have a fondness for swords but actually only own one; my Army saber. Of course it was only for full dress affairs and the only thing it ever cut was a wedding cake.

And speaking of dress, I'd probably use one on an attacker before I'd reach for that old saber. $:-\$

But I'm a firm believer in a knife as a weapon of last resort, got 5 or so knife projects going on right now, and maybe your Wakizashi would fit that discription...

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:31:20 AM »

Most went to Gloster Va. and formed a comunity as their leaders had no way to get them back to england . Today they are gennymen and work the fishing boats on that part of the Bay. They are a tight knit group . The others were here to begin with and a few helped gain freedom . The rest took up with the french up north ain't that worked out speical.

Almtnman · « **Reply #19 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:45:42 AM »

Quote from: BBF on August 08, 2009, 03:45:27 AM

I got to wonder were some of you people live that you have to have all that firepower close by and handy.

Up here, having a firearm loaded and handy is a No No.

Shooting someone in Self Defense is an entirely different kettle of trouble here then down your way.

You are going to be arrested for sure to start with and it will cost you big $ to prove that you were justified.

We live down here where we have freedoms guaranteed to us by our very own Constitution. We got those freedoms by kicking some Brits out of here so we could have them back during The Revolutionary War as we liked it that way and decided to form our own country the way we wanted it to be. We have the right to own as many guns as we want and we also have the right to own handguns and carry them on our person if that's what we want to do. And we can keep them fully loaded and ready to use. An empty gun is nothing more than a piece of metal that has no function other than being a club. Some states including the one I live in even has a law on the books called "The Castle Doctrine" whereas we have the right to defend ourself by deadly force anywhere we have a legal right to be. That very "Castle Doctrine" protects us from being arrested or costing us any money.

I would suggest that if you would like to have some basic freedoms like us down here, you might want to migrate down here and obtain a few of those for yourself as we give them out freely to anyone that legally migrates to our country for them to enjoy for themselves. if you like living in such a restrictive country as yours, then that's OK with us too, just don't try to tell us about our freedoms that we have here as we don't take lightly to anyone taking those very freedoms away.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:58:38 AM »

A few years back here in MN we had a self defence with swords. I don't remember the specifics, but, I think the perp was armed with a handgun, and was identified by matching the fingers her left behind to him.

http://massbackwards.blogspot.com/2006/08/its-another-happy-ending.html

I love a happy ending.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #21 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:13:29 AM »

almtnman , be careful inviting libs here its like taking a dump in the gene pool !

Almtnman · « **Reply #22 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:22:01 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 08, 2009, 05:13:29 AM

almtnman , be careful inviting libs here its like taking a dump in the gene pool !

LOL

billy_56081 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:27:51 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 08, 2009, 05:13:29 AM

almtnman , be careful inviting libs here its like taking a dump in the gene pool !

I think the "dump" has fertilizer value.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #24 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:39:20 AM »

I don't think I'd classify Fred (BBF) as a liberal... $:-\$ And I can smell 'em a mile away!

Hey! That must be the fertilizer value y'all are talking about!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #25 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:43:16 AM »

maybe not but you couldn't tell it from his post .

mechanic · « **Reply #26 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:48:07 AM »

I ain't grabbing no sword if I can help it, and I've got several on display. I also ain't grabbing no bow. My ancestors took to gunpowder many years ago, and I'm here to tell about it................

I will rely on the ancient martial art of ching chang pow however. (The sound of a pump shotgun).

kynardsj · « **Reply #27 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:49:20 AM »

BBF, there is an old saying, " It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. " Don't know how it is up your way but there are some bad places and bad people in parts of the US. I'm sure Canada has them too. To protect my family, friends or myself I would do what had to be done.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #28 on:** August 08, 2009, 06:21:33 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 08, 2009, 05:43:16 AM

maybe not but you couldn't tell it from his post .

You're right. I went back and read it again and it is easy to see why some hackels got raised. $:-\$ I just think, as if anybody cares what I think...

that he didn't mean the "I got to wonder were some of you people live that you have to have all that firepower close by and handy" the way it sounds.

I'm sure he'll let us know... or not.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 08, 2009, 07:31:11 AM »

Atlaw, I bet even with all your experience as an attourney you would have a tough case in proving the guy with the chopped off fingers wasn't at the scene.

I have to say that story really makes me laugh at the crook. Ya think his nickname in jail is "fingers"?