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These states are crazy with their speeding fines.
« on: August 11, 2009, 05:51:17 AM »
These states are crazy with their speeding fines. I have not had a ticket in over 15 years but I could not afford a $1,000.00 ticket. I can see being fined but this is wrong. This is just another way for states to raise money.>:( Dale

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Avoid Speeding (Especially In These Places)

How much were you fined the last time you were stopped for speeding? Depending on where you live, the penalty could range from under a hundred bucks to a couple of thousand dollars or more, even for a first offender. All across America, local legislators seemingly have one eye on road safety and the other on cash-strapped coffers. But is it as simple as that? We take a look. And if you haven't been stopped yet, well, lucky you.

States with highest speeding-ticket fines

Drivers caught speeding in the states of Georgia, Illinois, North Carolina, Nevada and New Hampshire all are liable to be fined up to $1000, at a judge's discretion, for a first-time speeding offense, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The severity of the financial penalty also may depend upon the number of miles above the speed limit when clocked and the number of points on a driver's license, or if the offense occurred near a school or road works. A driver's license may also be suspended, their car impounded, or they may face jail time.

Some states including Michigan, Texas and New Jersey, operate under so-called "driver responsibility" laws, which, in some cases, can result in a further fine of up to $1000 leveled a year after the conviction. Virginia, which until 2008 had some of the strictest penalties for speeders, repealed its driver-responsibility laws last year after a public outcry. Georgia, meanwhile, has just voted to add $200 to the fine of what it terms "superspeeders," who travel more than 10 mph over the speed limit. Other states with fines of up to $500 -- which in many cases is then compounded with additional court fees -- include Maryland, Missouri and Oregon.

Fighting speeding-ticket legislation in Michigan

Under the driver-responsibility fee system, speeders in Michigan face a double charge for their offense, the first issued by a municipality and the second by the state; taking into account various additional fees, both can top $1000. Similar penalty systems are in place for reckless driving and DUIs. The state also annually charges drivers who maintain seven or more points on their license. The 2004 law has resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars for state and local coffers, and faces criticism that it entraps low-income drivers in a circle of debt once they've been convicted of speeding. Some also question collection procedures.

State Sen. John Gleason, who is leading the fight in the state legislature to repeal the laws, tells AOL Autos: "We've heard from so many people its horrendous effect on families. They lose their jobs and it impacts their family. Poor people can't get out from under the obligation, $1000 is a tremendous amount of money.

"People make mistakes. Every single one of us has been on a highway, and several have made decisions we wish we could redo. We should not be penalized on our ability to pay."

Calling the issue a "bipartisan one," he says recent efforts to repeal the act have stumbled in the legislature, but he's still hopeful passing a bill that "doesn't include such an awful amount of money." He suggests taking a look at other penalty systems that could be based on drug courts or alcohol-treatment centers.

Additional penalties in Georgia

Georgia in May this year passed the so-called "superspeeders" act, which adds $200 to the fine of a driver, caught driving more than 75 mph on two-lane roads and 85 mph or more on freeways. In some counties, speeders are already leveled municipal fines that can add more than $1000 to any ticket. The enhanced state fines are justified, says Bob Dallas of the Governor's Office of Highway Safety in Georgia, as a deterrent against speeding. He also points out that funds from the statewide speeding program, which begins Jan. 1, 2010, will be put toward trauma care centers across the state. Currently he is organizing a public-awareness campaign around the fines using TV, web and radio ads, electronic roadway signs, and fliers at truck stops and filling stations.

"Every driver who is going to excessively speed on our freeways will be fined $200 extra. If you don't pay, your license will be suspended. We want to make sure the public listens to the message.

"To the average person out there we are one of the regions where people look to make up time [on long road-trips]. It's not a reputation we enjoy, because of the consequences. But there are folks out there who believe that other people are just driving too slowly.

"The goal here is to improve safety. And in addition to saving lives, the proceeds are going to expand trauma care. But if not a single ticket is written, because they can't find anyone speeding, that is the best scenario. We're trying to change the culture of speeding."

Controversy in Virginia

Virginia gained a reputation several years ago for having the most severe speeding laws in the U.S., when it began charging most speeders an additional $1,050 fine on top of its usual $300 fine. Limits for reckless driving were also lowered, with drivers caught at 10 mph above the legal limit liable to be cited for reckless driving, a possibly felony offense where the penalties are more severe. State lawmakers in Virginia expected to raise $60 to $120 million a year through the system, in a bill championed by state legislator Dave Albo. After a strong public reaction, the act was repealed last year.

Albo, a partner in a law firm specializing in traffic offenses, blames misinformation for the law's overturning. He tells AOL: "The problem was the internet got a hold of it, saying that if a driver didn't use the turn signal they'd have to pay $3,000. Most of the stuff posted wasn't accurate. And thousands were writing to their delegates saying, 'I can't believe this.'

"But the bill didn't apply to traffic misdemeanors, it was only if you killed somebody, or a DUI or reckless driving. There was so much misinformation out there. Drunk drivers kill one person a day in Virginia, and speeding is the second cause of injury and death.

"Alongside legislation we need more police; my constituents are always telling me we need more police on the roads."

Richard Diamond, the editor of www.thenewspaper.com, which campaigns on driving issues, says: "Virginia's reckless driving statute says 80 mph is automatic reckless. If you get written up at that speed, you face a charge that is just one step away from a felony. But the state also raised the speed limit on I-85 near the North Carolina border to 70 mph without altering the reckless statute to match. This creates an easy-to-write and very expensive ticket. It's a favorite because the plea bargains make it so the charge is never really challenged in court.

"This was at the heart of the abuser fee debate in Virginia. People were being hit with the $1,050 "reckless" abuser fee for what most people would consider an ordinary infraction. The problem with the reckless statute is [it's] still there."


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Re: These states are crazy with their speeding fines.
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2009, 06:19:24 AM »
Don't speed.

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 06:24:45 AM »
The bad part of the Va law it was for us not visitors .
I agree speeding is bad , don't want a ticket don't do it . I learned the hard way !
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2009, 06:28:19 AM »
People are driving less and states are not getting the per gallon tax on gasoline, so they are fining more.  In Alabama the state troopers used to allow you 9 miles above the speed limit and not stop you.  Now I was told they are stopping people doing 5 miles above since the state is hurting for cash.  Local police are giving more tickets also.  They are eventually going to start taxing you per mile driven as a replacement to the per gallon of fuel used. 

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2009, 06:41:19 AM »
People are driving less and states are not getting the per gallon tax on gasoline, so they are fining more.  In Alabama the state troopers used to allow you 9 miles above the speed limit and not stop you.  Now I was told they are stopping people doing 5 miles above since the state is hurting for cash.  Local police are giving more tickets also.  They are eventually going to start taxing you per mile driven as a replacement to the per gallon of fuel used. 
IMO. Taxing you per mile would never work. My wife is lucky to drive 5 or 6 thousand miles a year. If they were to remove the gas tax and tax people per mile instead they would not make near as much money. I on the other hand drive about 700 miles a week as of now. Dale
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2009, 06:48:04 AM »
I figured this out.  If you drive say 1,000 miles a month, the gov gets about $1000 in highway taxes a year, fed, state, and local.  So this translates into about $0.06 per mile.  They are talking about putting a unit on your car to track your miles, and you would pay taxes based on the miles driven between fill ups.  Gas would be about $1.25 per gallon, but when it checks the miles you drove since the last time you put gas in your car, it would calculate the miles driven and this would determine the tax.  Oklahoma is studying this now especially for electrics and hybrid cars. 

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2009, 06:55:59 AM »
When they decide to do that...I'll be riding my dirt bike a lot more   ::)
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Re: These states are crazy with their speeding fines.
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2009, 06:59:53 AM »
  Oklahoma is studying this now especially for electrics and hybrid cars. 

I wonder what Indiana is going to do about the freaking Amish?

I don't think they have a speed limit on the buggies, but each one has a "non-motorized" license plate.

Not sure whether they can tax the horse at fill ups, let alone where they would put the odometer.  :o

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2009, 07:07:59 AM »
I figured this out.  If you drive say 1,000 miles a month, the gov gets about $1000 in highway taxes a year, fed, state, and local.  So this translates into about $0.06 per mile.  They are talking about putting a unit on your car to track your miles, and you would pay taxes based on the miles driven between fill ups.  Gas would be about $1.25 per gallon, but when it checks the miles you drove since the last time you put gas in your car, it would calculate the miles driven and this would determine the tax.  Oklahoma is studying this now especially for electrics and hybrid cars. 

seems  like  if they want you to  drive  electric
they  would  exempt  them from taxes

why  do  all  the complicated  stuff  rather than  just tax the gas
could  it be about tracking  and  control

sure  the  fines are  about  raising  money
also  it  is  to deture speeding  and  is  better  and cheaper  than jail time

many  small  towns  use  tickets  as  a major revenue  source

if  they  don't  get this  money  from  law  breakers
they  will  just get the money  from   LAW ABIDING  citizens

anyone  with out  $1000  to  spare
probly  hasn't  got the intellegence  to operate   a dangerous vehicle
sure  every  one  makes  mistakes
some times those mistakes cost you $1000 [only money..more where that cam from]
some  times  you  die [or  your  kids  or  someone  elses  kids]
most  times  nothing  happens  and  its  just another  day
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2009, 07:22:09 AM »
Check out the speed trap exchange before your next trip , might be of some help .
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2009, 10:22:16 AM »
you speed and kill another driver , so what punishment fits ?
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2009, 12:03:15 PM »
Never had a speeding ticket, or any other traffic violation. Been driving 45 years. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2009, 12:05:49 PM »
go to court with it DO NOT just mail it in .
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2009, 01:04:28 PM »
Worst ticket I ever got was 80 in a "school zone"... cornfield on left, row of houses on right and possibly a school behind the houses.
Just my luck the cop was a real life version of Barney Fife and this was the biggest thing he did in years.
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2009, 01:31:24 PM »
I think some of you guys are naive if you thinking speeding laws are designed for public safety.  They are simply another way to obtain revenue for the state and legal system. That said, don't speed or commit any other traffic offenses.   

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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2009, 03:13:07 PM »
A good way to take care of this is ask to sit jail time in lue of a fine. Turn the money around and have a weekend at the Iron Bar Hotel. Heck come here and sit in my brothers jail, they are served food from a very good resturaunt.
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2009, 03:26:13 PM »
Well I can still bend over and touch my toes! Hey TM don't worry if ya get in trouble when ya come up for the BBQ, my brother will feed you really good.
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2009, 04:20:24 PM »
 when you start gettin that kinda fines for speeding...i think you invite corruption in rank an file law enforcers..once again the desire for money is the source of corruption..always will be with mankind... the next step is for the lawman to accept a pardon love gift an send you on your way...hope it don t happen but its possible when getting money any way you can is the local govts agencies goal..it ceases to be a taboo thing to do ,,,when daddy big shot is doing it ,as much as he can... its not that way here ..at least i didn t think so.. slim

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2009, 03:49:52 AM »
TM7 , you crack me up . So you feel that letting people drive any speed they want would cut down on accidents ?
Its YOUR mentality that causes 14 lb triggers as you show nither common sense or restraint both which leads to accidents and in some cases death . Like driving if people using weapons had displayed safe gun handling and safety then we could have any trigger we wanted and speeding tickets would not exist . Rules are for the good of all , They are set with consideration of the ablity of the drivers with regard to road construction , population denisty , type vehicles using the road and other factors . The idea they are set to catch speeders is crazy.
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2009, 07:13:58 AM »
Shootall, the problem is not rules or no rules, it is the the degree of what constitutes an infraction and to what degree these are punished.  We need traffic laws, of course, but do we really need 35 mph zones in areas with wide open spaces and little traffic? 

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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2009, 03:55:13 PM »
SHOOTALL. I don't think tm is used to speed zones for camels. Things are different overseas. POWDERMAN.  :P :P
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2009, 06:32:07 AM »
Sorry TM-7 , couldn't have been more clear . In Va.the high fines were for Virginians not out of state people . It was found that it could not be different fines determined on where you lived . I don't see the fines excessive really . I drive a $ 54000.00 truck and you speed and damage it and only get a $200.00 fine what's that . Maybe if the fine was $2000.00 you would obey the law .
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2009, 12:40:09 PM »
 Maybe if the fine was $2000.00 you would obey the law .

your  right  shootall

obviously the fines  aren't high  enough

judging by  how  many  ignore  the law

obey  the  law  and  the penalties  are  irrelevent

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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2009, 04:16:43 PM »
My question is....has anyone gotten a ticket for going slower than the speed limit?  That is impeding the flow of traffic.  Never had one but back when I lived in Kansas and the speed limit was 55 I remember signs that had both 55 and a minium of 45.

So if the speed limit is 60 and everyone else is doing 70 what then??  Increase your speed to match or risk getting a ticket for impeding traffic.  Makes my head spin sometimes.... ???

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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2009, 04:45:53 PM »
I got pulled over for going 35 in a 50 once. Didn't get a ticket, explained to the officer that I was taking my nephew out to an ''entertainment bar'', as he was going into boot camp the following week, and I just wanted to treat him to a couple beers. (We were in Orange County New York for a gun show) The officer was very polite, gave me my drivers license back, and said, follow me. Took us right to the bar, said to mention his name, got in with no cover charge.  gypsyman
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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2009, 05:07:58 PM »
Georgia has always been bad.  While station at Warner Robins AFB back in the early sixties I was arrested and taken to jail for drag racing even though I could prove I was setting in a restaurant having supper at the time the race took place.  At the time I had a brown Buick GS-400, with Mississippi plates, the ticket said I was driving a Yellow and Black Dodge with Georgia plates.  It was the policy of the Wing Commander to reduce anyone caught in certain traffic infractions by one pay grade, though the fine was $75.00 had I pleaded guilty and paid I would have been busted one stripe. My First Sergeant and I went the next day to talk to a lawyer, he said $2000.00 and I guarantee you will not be convicted, that was a lot of money for me at the time but I had more to loose so I fessed up and paid him, when I went to court the next week guess who was the judge………..yes the same Ahole I had paid the $2000.00.  Gerorgia law and Georgia politics, what a joke!