Author Topic: Am I a Nazi????? (Read 1207 times)

skarke · « **on:** August 11, 2009, 01:22:58 PM »

I've listened to the news of late (always a mistake), and anyone opposed to the total government takeover of our industries and healthcare is labeled "Nazi".

While I listen to this, I think back to the parallels of our time with those of the '30s. Best I can remember, there were many:

1. Collapsing economic system
2. Socialist programs accompanied by consolidation of power into the hands of a few as a response to "crisis". Never let a good crisis go to waste, as the administration says.
3. Dissenting voices being scape goated (you'd have to be intentionally overlooking the behavior of the socialists to be blind to this). Name calling like Nazis, evil capitalist management, racists, you get the point. An effective tool to regain lost ground in an argument is to name call and stereotype.
4. Government sympathists used to quell opposition (re union "representatives" guarding the town hall meetings)
5. nationalization of heavy industry
6. An utter disbelief in most of the world that there are evil regimes willing to kill and destroy their enemies (thanks, Neville Chamberlain)

Hope?, Change?, I really don't think that anyone can equivocate general opposition to a war with a desire to be taken over by communists. This is NOT what I believe most Americans were "hoping" for.

Mostly, I am sick of being called an "ultra right winger", or a "Nazi" because I oppose the Democrat agenda. If anyone is acting Nazi like, it's the allies of the left in this country. It was imperial socialists that brought us into WWII, the cold war, and what might be a coming apocalypse brought about by uncontrolled govt expansion.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 11, 2009, 02:03:37 PM »

me too an i just cut the channel if its on tv... if its a real live person i ll try an hold my own ...
mabe i educatum with some history lessons..
i don t really separate socilist an nazis or ultra right wing ...both eventually want the same thing

it just takes the right ambitious man to take advantage of the situation an gain total power.. my history teaches me that..capitalism an free enterprize is mans best bet at this time...even though it too needs a set of checks an balances..
but no you not a nazi,,don t sound like..jmo slim

skarke · « **Reply #2 on:** August 11, 2009, 03:29:54 PM »

I took one of those fun little surveys that "rate" your political leanings based upon a set of questions

http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html

Here's what it says about me.

Dan is a right moderate social libertarian. He is also a slight neo-con and somewhat culturally conservative. Dan's scores (from 0 to 10):
Economic issues:+3.85 right
Social issues:+1.48 libertarian
Foreign policy:+3.23 neo-con
Cultural identification:+3.06 conservative

I think that it scored me pretty close, except that I might be even more libertarian, as opposed to authoritarian.

I think that socialism is absolutely joined at the hip with authoritarianism, because without the power of enforcable edict, no one in his right mind would surrender his freedom to the tyranny of popular majority whims. Redistribution of wealth and equal outcomes in life (not equal opportunity) are the cornerstones of the left, and cannot be divorced from their marxist roots.

splicer · « **Reply #3 on:** August 11, 2009, 03:53:51 PM »

No,I would call you a patriot. Im now labeled as racist because I dont agree with Obama's policy.

nomosendero · « **Reply #4 on:** August 11, 2009, 04:32:06 PM »

Very good thread skarke!! What they say about their opposition is indeed their position. This has been a Socialist Tactic since 1917, they just turn it around & for the ignorant it works as history shows.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #5 on:** August 11, 2009, 04:51:33 PM »

I couldn't agree more!

I guess I am what they call me, I really don't care.
I have been called worse and it didn't change my mind then and it won't now!
I am sure that our founding fathers were also called a few names for standing up for their beliefs.

One thing I will not be called is a sheep or a lemming.
I will not just blindly follow.
I will and do stand up for my rights!
Weather it make a difference or not at least I know I did what I felt was right for me at the time.

LONGTOM

Oldshooter · « **Reply #6 on:** August 11, 2009, 05:35:17 PM »

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I've listened to the news of late (always a mistake),

I know the feeling, only i dont even listen by mistake anymore! I change it asap!

The wife likes to watch Fox in the morning. I cant even stand to see that!

I just wont let it be in front of me or within ear shot, now i dont know if that is a good thing or bad its just the way I am right now. the government run press and media will not have me for an audience!

The left will always vilify anyone that they dont agree with and then when you criticize their man you are a Nazi. For what its worth I get a lot of my news here! that may not be good either!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2009, 01:50:59 AM »

No you are not a Nazi. The nazis are the present administration in America. Now I have a feeling we all may have more in common with the Jews of WW2.

mrbigtexan · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2009, 03:23:24 PM »

do you want to know how the government will take care of us. just look at how they took care of the indians.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2009, 03:55:01 PM »

If the indians were armed like us, the white man would have just been a page in the history books. Just look at chris matthews stutter and stammer when he talks to someone that has the audacity to carry a loaded gun. The libs are getting scared, as well they should be, there is going to be a big change in our representation in 2010, with even some 3rd party candidates getting elected.

beerbelly · « **Reply #10 on:** August 13, 2009, 03:16:10 AM »

Compaired to the goverment, we are no better armed than the Indians. Hell maybe not as well.
Beerbelly

billy_56081 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2009, 03:29:50 AM »

In the 1870s the indians were better armed with repeters than the Gov troops. It was the support behind the troops that defeated the indians

burntmuch · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2009, 03:57:15 AM »

No not a Nazi. Just another guy watching in utter disbelief as his country gos to crap. Just like the rest of us

dukkillr · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2009, 06:39:20 AM »

I would like to see a moratorium on anyone calling anyone else a Nazi. It accomplishes nothing because it makes the speaker look stupid to those who understand reality, and it's only preaching to the choir for the hardened ideologues. And it doesn't matter where on the political spectrum you are because both sides regularly say these stupid things.

In this country comparisons to Hitler and/or Nazis carries connotations of a dictatorship, genocide, and war. No matter how much you dislike the other side, NO ONE has effected the start of a world war and the death of 50 million people, gas chambers, etc... It’s an absurd comparison and one that has no place in intelligent discourse.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #14 on:** August 13, 2009, 07:34:24 AM »

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NO ONE has effected the start of a world war and the death of 50 million people, gas chambers, etc...

While this is true, there are many comparisons that can be made about our current government and most are based in fact.
I won't take the time to list them as most already know quit a few of them.
Just take a look at how the government is trying to controll things!
Looks about the same to me!!!

LONGTOM

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #15 on:** August 13, 2009, 08:21:24 AM »

You would make a pizz poor nazi , but with those scores a good man to know in a pinch .
And we all feel the pinch as of late .

skarke · « **Reply #16 on:** August 13, 2009, 11:43:58 AM »

Quote from: skarke on August 11, 2009, 01:22:58 PM

It was imperial socialists that brought us into WWII, the cold war, and what might be a coming apocalypse brought about by uncontrolled govt expansion.

dukkiller,

I read my post again, and feel that my last paragraph might have been confusing. I wasn't referring to American Nazis or socialists, though they existed en masse prior to WWII in the US. Rather, the imperialists, totalitarians, and Nazis of Japan, Germany, and Italy (throw in a few vichy French, sympathetic Austrians, etc)

What I think most of us fear isn't, imho, the currently empowered. I personally fear the setting of the stage for future, more intolerant and powerful regimes uninhibited by subjection to the will of the people.

When the dollar continues its slide, and the buying power of american currency is destroyed by current monetaristic policy, we'll see how 20% unemployment and economic depression alters the behavior of Americans.

Please let us not be so foolish as to think that it can't happen here. History tell a different story, and the past it always the best predictor of the future.

dukkillr · « **Reply #17 on:** August 13, 2009, 11:57:43 AM »

Quote from: skarke on August 13, 2009, 11:43:58 AM

Quote from: skarke on August 11, 2009, 01:22:58 PM

It was imperial socialists that brought us into WWII, the cold war, and what might be a coming apocalypse brought about by uncontrolled govt expansion.

dukkiller,

I read my post again, and feel that my last paragraph might have been confusing. I wasn't referring to American Nazis or socialists, though they existed en masse prior to WWII in the US. Rather, the imperialists, totalitarians, and Nazis of Japan, Germany, and Italy (throw in a few vichy French, sympathetic Austrians, etc)

What I think most of us fear isn't, imho, the currently empowered. I personally fear the setting of the stage for future, more intolerant and powerful regimes uninhibited by subjection to the will of the people.

When the dollar continues its slide, and the buying power of american currency is destroyed by current monetaristic policy, we'll see how 20% unemployment and economic depression alters the behavior of Americans.

Please let us not be so foolish as to think that it can't happen here. History tell a different story, and the past it always the best predictor of the future.

My comments weren't directed at you. Go back through the other posts in this thread and the other threads on this board and you'll see who it was directed at.

I guess what I'm really getting at is the value of intelligent and civil discourse. As I said in a PM to someone else earlier this week, I fundamentally believe that entrenched ideologies are the single biggest theat to America. Why? Because no one listens to anyone else. They are too busy calling each other names. Just look through the threads and you'll see all these "cute" little names like Hitlery or Obamanation, or Demoncrap or whatever. Go to a liberal oriented website and I'm sure you'd find the same thing only targeting different people. It accomplishes nothing except that it harms honest intellectual dialogue in this country. No one is always right, and no ideology or political party is always right either... That's why I think it's important to consider the validity of things put forth rather than simply dismiss and insult someone or something. I'd rather be right than be consistent, and I think most Americans would agree with that, at least in principle.

No party, affiliation, or person scares me more than an American who refuses to think about why he believes what he does. That blind ignorance is the same source of power the Nazis drew on, it seems to be thriving in America today.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:02:39 PM »

The one who smelled it---- dealt it, as they say.

The real Nazi's are the one calling everyone else Nazi's.

lee1954 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 13, 2009, 01:10:26 PM »

Natzi is MORE GOVERMENT --I want less goverment---
But then they are looking though Carl Marx Glasses ----
THEM PINKO COMMIES

that is all I have to say about that DAN

Oldshooter · « **Reply #20 on:** August 13, 2009, 01:27:19 PM »

Ura and Ima, this thread reminded of the two Hogg sisters from Texas. They weren't Nazis but they were the Governors Daughters! I kid you not! That all having been said, I still think Ima Hogg was the looker! although Ura Hogg was not so bad herself!

skarke · « **Reply #21 on:** August 13, 2009, 02:22:59 PM »

When they make me dictator, I'm gonna assign a few Tzars and we're gonna ban all this movement toward oligarchy.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 13, 2009, 02:52:08 PM »

dukkiller the problem with what you say is the way the news media seems to be unbalanced in reporting one side versus the other...if you mention tide enough times with aproval on your face... many will pick up tide without
looking at its properties..thier subconcience just tells them it must be good good...this is how ive witnessed them reporting liberal agenda
while reports on conservatism are mostly reported with little tolerance expressedfor that stupid bunch..lets just get this report over with,,while they act as if everbody aggrees withum that conservatives just dum outa touch ,,sometimes even worse... now that my friend is why i am disgusted with media,,,an will not subscribe to your line of thinking..with respect for your right to have your views... slim,have a great night

skarke · « **Reply #23 on:** August 13, 2009, 03:00:19 PM »

Awww, come on slim rem, not even a wink on my last post???

BBF · « **Reply #24 on:** August 14, 2009, 07:11:44 AM »

Quote from: dukkillr on August 13, 2009, 06:39:20 AM

I would like to see a moratorium on anyone calling anyone else a Nazi. It accomplishes nothing because it makes the speaker look stupid to those who understand reality, and it's only preaching to the choir for the hardened ideologues. And it doesn't matter where on the political spectrum you are because both sides regularly say these stupid things.

In this country comparisons to Hitler and/or Nazis carries connotations of a dictatorship, genocide, and war. No matter how much you dislike the other side, NO ONE has effected the start of a world war and the death of 50 million people, gas chambers, etc... It’s an absurd comparison and one that has no place in intelligent discourse.

I suppose there is a reason why good old Glenn just can't complete a week of his program without mentioning Hitler or the Nazi's in some way even if it is streched like a bungee cord.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #25 on:** August 14, 2009, 08:36:11 AM »

sales ! it is a TV show just like the news on other channels , all about ratings and cash flow .

dukkillr · « **Reply #26 on:** August 14, 2009, 08:48:15 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 14, 2009, 08:36:11 AM

sales ! it is a TV show just like the news on other channels , all about ratings and cash flow .

Didn't I just see that he is losing sponsors? I admit I don't watch his show but I think I read that somewhere... Something about how he'll make an outrageous claim and then deny it 5 minutes later?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #27 on:** August 14, 2009, 08:53:26 AM »

I don't watch either , I work construction when i get home another loud mouth trying to make my blood boil is the last thing i need .

BBF · « **Reply #28 on:** August 14, 2009, 08:54:38 AM »

I got to hand it to him, he has guts, I just hope he doesn't end up like Jimmy Hoffa one day.

dukkillr · « **Reply #29 on:** August 14, 2009, 08:55:59 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 14, 2009, 08:53:26 AM

I don't watch either , I work construction when i get home another loud mouth trying to make my blood boil is the last thing i need .

I don't work construction but I feel the exact same way. I don't understand the appeal of watching someone tell you what to think, especially in such a caustic way...