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Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« on: August 13, 2009, 04:28:46 AM »
Is there anywhere in the U.S. left where you can actually go and live in the wilderness, homestead, etc. The kind of thing frontiers-folk did "way back when"?

Is there anywhere you can actually do this and survive left? And it's legal?

I mean, I guess there's probably some really miserable places in the Arizona desert along rt. 8 or 10 where no one would care *what* you did... but you'd probably evaporate. LOL! :D


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Re: Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2009, 05:33:40 AM »
You can live off of the land but I am afraid that you should own it first.
As far as I know every acre is called for.

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Re: Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2009, 05:46:56 AM »
Probably Alaska, but that would be some long hard winters, possibly life-ending if you didn't know what you were doing.    Dave

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2009, 06:34:24 AM »

  Homesteading has been open by the U.S. for about 130 years.  So, you can bet your life that anyplace and everyplace in the lower 48 that is remotely livable, or pleasant, or accessible, has already been homesteaded and claimed.  Remember, that there are about 300 MILLION people living in the U.S. today.


   With the record numbers of defaults on farm mortgages in the U.S., large and small, you would be much better off going to a place that is at least habitable (Western Kansas), and buying in at a foreclosure sale, to get good title to a fairly sizable piece of property at a cheap price.

   By the way, the U.S. determined years and years ago that ownership of 40 acres is no longer enough land to sustain a family of 6 (parents and 4 kids) on a subsistence basis.  That is why in most rural communities, modern farm wives all work a full time job, at WalMart or wherever, to try to keep the family farm afloat.  (And, its a losing battle.)

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Re: Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2009, 06:57:03 AM »
What is your goal?  If you want to pretend you're a mountain man I would imagine you can accomplish that regardless of the legality of it.  Ever read Into the Wild?  Fantastic book.  Get a backpack, a rifle, and some rice, and start walking...

If your goal is more towards living a self sufficient lifestyle off the electric grid I would think the advice above is good.  I might pick somewhere other than Western Kansas, but you could probably grab some acres and start planting what you need to survive.

If your goal is to "homestead" on government ground in the lower 48 I think you are out of luck.  Most places now (including parts of Alaska) have provisions that require you to move camp every so many days... Lots of times it's either 14 or 30.

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2009, 07:23:21 AM »
Yes You can, there are books available from the Gov that tells you how I have seen them advertised in mags like outdoor life, popular mechanics, and the like.  I think most of the land is in Montana or Wyoming and such, Maybe Arkansas. Look around its there.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2009, 08:01:37 AM »
people do it in every city , mostly under a bridge or on a park bench .
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2009, 10:22:18 AM »
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What is your goal?  If you want to pretend you're a mountain man I would imagine you can accomplish that regardless of the legality of it.  Ever read Into the Wild?  Fantastic book.  Get a backpack, a rifle, and some rice, and start walking...

As I recall that didn't end well.

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Yes You can, there are books available from the Gov that tells you how I have seen them advertised in mags like outdoor life, popular mechanics, and the like.  I think most of the land is in Montana or Wyoming and such, Maybe Arkansas. Look around its there.

Just becuz someone's selling a book on "how to" don't mean it's actually legal and possible to do it.


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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2009, 10:45:59 AM »
Not for sell GB, they are free from the goverment, And list what you have to do and where it is legal to do so. I had one a couple of years ago and if I recall right it required more than I wanted to do at the time.

And yeah that story didn't end well.
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Re: Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2009, 11:18:10 AM »
Not for sell GB, they are free from the goverment, And list what you have to do and where it is legal to do so. I had one a couple of years ago and if I recall right it required more than I wanted to do at the time.

And yeah that story didn't end well.
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2009, 11:56:40 AM »
I'd like a link on where to get such free from the government just to check out what is available and the rules for it. All I've ever seen are from folks wanting to charge you for the info on how to get things for free from the government. Never actually seen such listing by the government tho I've seen some that sure tried to make you THINK they were the government.


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Re: Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2009, 12:10:18 PM »
I think that you would be better off copying the Amish on this by purchasing a piece of land yourself.
Get as much land as you can afford. You can live secluded while you sort things out to a self sustained life style. Try to pick an area with as little government influence as possible.
There is a great group of folks at this websight that are willing to share thier knowledge and help.
 
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2009, 02:40:49 PM »
flmason, I think the last homesteading in Wy. was in the late 50's. My neighbor did it in northern Wy. It was only open to Vet.s of WW!!. Now I have several stories by a guy who moved to either Wis. or Minn.  and lives essentially in the woods. I think they had to purchase 40 acres of raw land. They saved a few years to do this, then built a cabin. The stories were in FUR-FISH-GAME. He did an original story then a followup 10 years later or so. I have both, can maybe locate them if you like. He felt those 2 states offered the most opportunity for someone to "live off the land". In addition to hunting, fishing, and trapping, the growing season was suitable and timber was available for a house. It was an interesting article, but honestly, I would rather live in a small town or on a small acreage near good outdoor activity, make a bit less than fellows in big cities, and enjoy life everyday. This includes a nice meal out once in a while, and some other things the guy who lived in the woods could not do. In fact this is how I have spent my life. ;)

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2009, 04:07:02 AM »
I looked around yesterday and couldn't find any of the stuff I mentioned, Prolly isn't available anymore. BTW when I was looking into this it was about 15 to 20 years ago when I was looking at retiring, Time flys by seems like yesterday. Sorry if I gave wrong info.
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Re: Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2009, 04:47:58 AM »
Go to USA.gov use the search option and put in homesteading .
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2009, 05:56:32 AM »
I'll tell ya fellas.. all this homesteading and self sustainablity stuff just plain costs to much ;D Got to have 2 jobs to pay for all this land and equipment  :o ;D

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2009, 06:11:00 AM »
being a nomad might work , have a vehicle - truck camper or boat and move around the country . Work for funds when needed .
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Re: Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2009, 01:28:19 PM »
  The last of the REAL homesteading in Alaska, ended in (i think) 1959...  What's "called" homesteading there these days, are every once in a while, there are plots of a few acres that "residents" can "bid on" with sealed bids...  If you win it, you have to pay for it! 

  The ones i saw in person, were just subdivisions out away from the road a mile or more, that were up to a few acres in size and were pi$$ poor land...

  If you go into the bush and "squat" on fed land, sooner or later a fed of some kind will come along, GPS your shack and tell you to move on.  Then they will bug you until you do...  If need be, the Alaska State Police WILL come out and move you on!  I'm sure if you was far enough out though, it would be some time before they bothered you, but rest assured they WILL find you...

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2009, 01:36:36 PM »
Unless you find a place where there is no property taxes, you will need enough of an income to pay your property taxes.
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2009, 04:29:05 PM »
Go to any major city, for instance, Atlanta.  Go to any major overpass.  Your're home.  If you can keep from getting stabbed or beaten up, you can "live off the land".  The government, to some extent will help you.

If you go into the woods, on fed land, you will be cited for multiple offenses relating to wildlife and habitat and probably get to spend time in jail, thus still accomplishing the goal.  They will feed you there. 

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2009, 05:54:19 PM »
Ive got 28 acres of mountain land in va  abuts jefferson nat forest and you can live off the land there. if you can live without cash or raise a cash crop of some kind.
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Re: Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2009, 03:06:24 AM »
So I guess the basic answers are:

1)No legal way to do it these days.

2) Yes, if you are a better thug than the next guy (i.e. all the live under a bridge in the city replies).

3) Only if you can pay for the land and taxes.

So, seems there's no where to go where one could do the old frontier thing and literally build a life.




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Re: Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2009, 03:27:48 AM »
Concerning western Kansas, there are places that you could buy housing relatively cheap but not any land. About a year ago in far NW Kansas we sold an older two story, four bedroom, two bath house with detached garage for $35,000 and were very pleased to get that. Probably the least that you would pay for land would be around $500 an acre. Almost all the land is farmed or ranched.
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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2009, 05:04:27 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2009, 05:26:32 AM »
I think it is possible to live off the land, but it would have to be like the Amish.  Do without electricity or other modern conveincies.  My grandparents did it.  Used horse or mule power.  They did have some cash crops, produce, milk, or eggs to sell to pay property taxes and buy some items.  Even the Amish sell quilts, dolls, and canned goods etc. to pay their property taxes and buy some things they need like canning jars and non-electric tools.  First you would have to have enough money to buy a small farm or homestead.  Then the tools and equipment to work it without electricity, tractors, or other modern items.  90% of the American people lived on farms in the 1890's and without electricity.  They had lots of mechanical tools and equpment, windmills to pump water up to a storage tower to have indoor plumbing with water pressure.  Firewood for heat and cooking.  Farm animals.  Some could even afford a steam powered tractor.  By 1940 at the start of WWII 40% of the American people lived on farms.  Most by that time had electricity.  Like someone said, after WWII, a lot of the small farms went out of business because the farmer or his wife went to work to buy modern conveincies like washers, dryers, radios, tv's, electric or gas stoves, refrigerators and freezers as well as electric lights.  It became more efficient to farm large tracts of land with the large tractors or with a farmers co-op use the large equipment on several farms.  Going back to 1800's standards, yes, you could live off about 40 acres.  10 acre woodlot, 10 acre pasture, 10 acre cash crop area, and 10 acres for home, barn, stalls, vegetable garden, fruit and nut trees.  Would take a lot of work with very little cash from crops. 

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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2009, 05:43:06 AM »
First in many places you do NOT need to buy the land to live on.  You can find yourself a piece of property that isn't being used and put up a shack and move in.  Unless the property owner runs you off in a certain amount of time (varies from state to state) you will own the land.  It's called homesteading still and it is legal in many states.  It's not exactly moral but it's legal.

But I think the question was whether you could live off the land.  It doesn't say anything about owning it or not.  Remote land is often cheap land anyway so you can buy yourself a tract of land surrounded by open spaces and actually do quite well living off the land.  You just have to be willing to do the things it takes to live that way.

Take the area I live in.  I would have no problems putting up a tent or moving into a cave and surviving.  I like in SE Ohio and I grew up in NE Kentucky.  There are wooded hills all around this area and there is plenty of wild game some of which can be killed at any time during the year.  If you're willing to eat possum you can have meat all year long with very little trouble.  All it takes is a decent tree dog and you can kill a possum or two a day if you want.  I wouldn't want to live off possum but it actually wasn't that long ago that people ate them on a regular basis.  Read some of the books by Jesse Stuart and you'll read about him killing possums and selling them to black people back during the 1920's and 30's.  They ate as many as he could kill and they survived and thrived actually.  And you can legally hunt possums all year long.

Then there's the fishing.  You can fish year round including such things as trot lines and jug fishing.  You don't have to be around.  You just have to check your lines every day.  And there are plenty of places to fish and catfish makes a fine meal.  

Then there's bullfrogs.  You can eat frog legs all spring and if you've never tasted frog legs you don't know what you're missing.  It's about the best food I've ever eaten.

Then of course there's the game that is available during hunting season.  Often the state allows you to kill 3 or more deer in a season.  And if you learn to smoke meat to preserve it like the pioneers did you can have a lot of meat for a long time.

Then of course there's trapping season.  You can catch a lot of game with a well placed trap.

Mean and fish aren't the only thing on the menu either.  From apple trees to blackberries and raspberries and hickory nuts and beech nuts and walnuts and wild onions all growing wild in some places.  You might have to plant your own apple tree but you can plant other fruit trees also.  Then there's persimmons, pawpaws, wild plums, and a lot of other wild foods.  And that's before you even start growing your own food.  Some people don't include food they farm when they say "live off the land" but the fact is you can raise certain foods pretty easily without modern equipment.  And of course you can own livestock.  Chickens are especially easy to take care of and they make a tasty dinner not to mention the eggs they produce.  

The fact is I've seen lots of people "live off the land" here.  My great grandparents lived off their farm their entire lives including smoking their own meat.  My grandmother was a horticulture major in college and she knew pretty much everything there was to know about wild food and preserving food.  In fact we raised or grew almost everything we ate.  We lived on the same farm as my grandmother.  The plain fact is that not only did we live off the land but the food we ate was far, far better than the stuff you can buy in a store.  We raised beef cattle until I was about 16 and we had a milk cow when I was very young.  About the only things we bought on a regular basis was bread (even though we made it ourselves at times), milk (after the milk cow was gone) and flour.  You need a mill to make your own flour and of course we didn't have one.  But we lived without running water, without a telephone and with a road that was impassable for months out of the year. 

My family still owns the farm that fed us all so well.  If times get really hard you'll find me working that farm again.  My grandparents moved there from the city during the Great Depression because that's the one way you can be sure to survive.  My grandmother made me promise a thousand times to never get rid of that farm.  She made us all promise.  It's been in my family a long, long time (back to the early 1800's) and I hope it will be ours a lot longer.  BTW if you try to homestead on our farm expect to be caught doing it.  ;)  We even manage to keep the deer hunters out so homesteaders are never going to make it the 5 years it takes (in Ky.) to actually assume ownership of the land.

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Re: Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2009, 06:31:04 AM »
First in many places you do NOT need to buy the land to live on.  You can find yourself a piece of property that isn't being used and put up a shack and move in.  Unless the property owner runs you off in a certain amount of time (varies from state to state) you will own the land.  It's called homesteading still and it is legal in many states.  It's not exactly moral but it's legal.
It's called tresspassing and it IS NOT legal.  The concept you're searching for is called adverse possession, and it has nothing to do with how many times you get caught. 

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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2009, 11:34:19 AM »
From Wikipedia.....

The end of homesteading
The Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 ended homesteading;[4][16] the government believed that the best use of public lands was for them to remain in government control. The only exception to this new policy was in Alaska, for which the law allowed homesteading until 1986.[4]

The last claim under this Act was made by Ken Deardorff for 80 acres (32 hectares) of land on the Stony River in southwestern Alaska. He fulfilled all requirements of the Homestead Act in 1979, but he did not actually receive his deed until May 1988. Therefore, he is the last person to receive the title to land claimed under the provisions of the Homestead Act.[17]

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« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2009, 11:36:46 AM »
Thank you Mechanic & Dukkillr for setting that issue straight.
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Re: Anywhere in the U.S. where you can "live off the land"?
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2009, 02:45:03 PM »
doesnt matter if its legal or not, aquireing land in that manner is immoral.takeing sumthing i didnt earn or inherit would be against my ideals and against the ideals of most of the people on this board.