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357 bullet for several guns?
« on: August 17, 2009, 06:28:23 AM »
Veral, I have three S&W .357 magnum revolvers, and my brother has a Ruger, and I'm in the market for a Marlin levergun in .357 Magnum.

Is it practical to get one bullet mould which will work in all of these?  Would the 180 gr WFN work, and at what diameter?

 

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Re: 357 bullet for several guns?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2009, 05:25:52 PM »
  Definately.  Get a 180 gr FN (which is the WFN in calibers larger than 38) at .359 diameter.  If you use LBT lube a plainbase will get max power or near it from the revolvers, if their bores are smooth.  Gas checked will forgive most barrel flaws and allowing about 50 to 100 fps higher velocity at a given pressure, with good accuracy using almost any reasonable powder and charge.  Gas checks will be mandatory for the lever guns if you load to full power which is about 1800 fps.  Because you plan on a lever locker sometime, let me know, as I cut the nose a little short of the standard .35, so it will feed smoothly.

  Most if not all Rugers have room forward of the case for a .4 nose length, which really raises the velocity potential.  However, you may not want to bother with a speical mold for your brothers one gun, and he may not even want the extra power which can be obtained with the longer nose, which would be a good 150 fps over a .35 nose.  A  gas checked .35 nose 180 gr FN is capable of 1400 fps + in 6 inch barrel revolvers.

  If the bullet doesn't chamber in any of the guns, size down to 358 or if necessary 357 till it chambers easily.  I recommended the large diameter to favor the lever guns, and allow use in 95 % of the revolvers out there, with excellent accuracy.  A few revolvers will be found with cylinder throats as tight as .355.  If you happen to have one, sizing the bullet down .004 won't hurt performance.

  The above velocites are with LBT bullet lube.  Most others drag enough in the barrel to reduce velocity potential considerably, some of them well over 100 fps with gas checked and 200 fps with plainbase.
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Re: 357 bullet for several guns?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 04:27:14 AM »
Veral,
      If using the same bullet in all guns. Could one get by with using one hardness of alloy, of course wheel weights, but what  should it be? Should they be air cooled, water dropped, heat treated etc.? I ask because I have a 180 gr fn LBT mold. The bullets are aircooled WW alloy. I would like to shoot them in my marlin, but at 1800 fps, I'm wondering what might happen when hitting a deer? CRASH87

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Re: 357 bullet for several guns?
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2009, 04:00:20 AM »
Crash,
I'm not Veral, but I think you are going to have a dead deer.
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Re: 357 bullet for several guns?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2009, 04:57:22 AM »
I ask the question because I remember reading somewhere that a aircooled W.W. .358 180gr fn,  might not be up to giving the penetration needed at that velocity, 1800fps. So, I did a little searchin' and might have found my answer, or at least I found where I read it;
  Re: 160 vs 180 fn for 357 levergun
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2008, 12:28:52 AM » Quote 

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  I recommend straight WW alloy water dropped.  Adding lino will cause them to age soften faster than straight WW alloy.  If desired addition of no more than 2% tin, preferably using silver bearing no lead plumbing solder, will increase hardness, slightly, whichout increasing age softening rate, and make casting go smoother.

  If WW is shot air cooled it will expand to 50 caliber and will not penetrate deep enough for fast kills.
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Re: 357 bullet for several guns?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2009, 02:00:08 PM »
I shoot a 180 gr WFN GC out of my .357 max rifle. At around 2000 FPS, It punches right thru deer and knocks the lights out right now. I have never had a problem killing deer with straight WWs.   It works. 8)
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Re: 357 bullet for several guns?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2009, 06:42:01 PM »
  The last critter I shot with my 357 Marlin was a small bear.  The ammo was 20 years old and had age softened enough that the bullets expanded to 5/8 inch diameter, at the close range.  He was up a cedar tree about 30 feet.  It was very dark inside those heavy branches, so my first shot hit his thigh and went out at the back of the ribs, with the only effect being that he ran farther up the tree.  Tne bullet stayed in him, though it went through his heart.  The wound was much smaller than if the bullet had not expanded, though it was fairly large for the first two inches of penetration.

  Learn a lesson from this, if you want to keep your ammo a long time.  Mine wasn't properly stored, spending several years of that 20, exposed to high summer heat.  It still shoots accurately and gives no leading, and I don't expect the bullets would expand at all if impact range was at least 40 yards or farther, so I believe it will work the same as hard bullets for normal use.  I've never shot a large animal up this close before with it.
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Re: 357 bullet for several guns?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 04:46:20 PM »
veral cut  me  a mould  and  i love  it

same  as  you 4 of us shooting over a dozen guns
handi rifles 38s  357s pocket guns lever rifle

180 grain  thows them a little heavy....not verals  fault  added more   pure lead
wfn     4 cavity
3 cavities are plain base  one  is a gas check

i  mostly  use  the plain base  because  i am  cheap

if  i had to order another 38/357 mould  i wouldn't change a thing
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