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.409/.416 WSM?
« on: August 17, 2009, 07:39:48 PM »
I was just wondering if any one has messed with this idea? I was just looking through Cartridges of the World and didnt see anything based on this case. I know some have done the .35wsm. Thinking of using the .325wsm brass. I was just wondering what kind of performance you might expect with say the .409 400gr A-square bullet? Or how about going .416 with a broader selection of bullets and cheaper. How long the col would be? Would it still fit a WSM action or would you need the length of a mag action and just deal with the extra? What action would you use? What would work? How much would dies cost, reamer? What twist rate, barrel length would you use? What would you predict the recoil as? Doesnt look like a cheap round looking at the cost of bullets but oh well might be fun. Aside from the cost side of this I am giving it some thought just for a project, unless anyone can tell me of complications they foresee. Like I said just a thought. Let me know what you think or if its been done. 
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Re: .409/.416 WSM?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2009, 09:06:50 PM »
Did some more looking around on the net looks like a few have messed around with the .416 but unable to find anything on the .409 which is what has my intrest. Anyway let me know your thoughts. I do have a Savage wsm action that I may consider using. Looks like there are a few cast bullets in .409 with diffrent weights, they might be fun to work with although my guess would be a decreased load which might defeat the purpose of what I trying to come up with (although I dont really have one).
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Re: .409/.416 WSM?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 04:50:08 AM »
Ultra, At one time I was interested in going the .416 route, in a 1885 Winchester, but have since curtailed my excitement for the project. But anything you would read on the 416 should equal that of a .409. But why a 409? A 416 is the way to go, not much advantage at all with a 409, bullet selection being the most critical. It would be like choosing a .348 for a custom rifle over a .358.
        But, I like you, like being a little different albiet, not that extreme. If you would like to read an article on the .416-300, the fouling Shot, a publication from The Cast Bullet Association has such an article from a fellow not unlike you and I, Journal No. 175, May/June 2005. They have a website where you can purchace back issues. Of course it is with cast bullets but one can adapt.
       The author used a Montana Rifle Co. action with a Pac-Nor Barrel. Called the recoil "a stout shove" utilizing a 350 grain cast bullet at 2150 to 2300fps.
    One disadvantage I saw for my own 416 in the 1885 was that I could ,at the time" have purchaced it in the 405 WCF. But the advantage, going to the .416, would have been bullet selection, and probably more importantly, having a wildcat cartridge not many had. Good Luck on your quest. CRASH87

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Re: .409/.416 WSM?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 09:30:22 AM »
I did a 375-7mm wsm
300gr partitions 72.0gr RL15 2615fps. The bullets stick out to far for a short action. I built mine on a ruger M77.
But to be honest today I would use the 375 Ruger!
And I would do a 416-375 Ruger.