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Re: Lincoln Quote
« Reply #60 on: August 25, 2009, 12:16:19 PM »
Cabin4,
I am staying out of this one, but do you mean secession, not succession? Two very different meanings.

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« Reply #61 on: August 25, 2009, 01:17:48 PM »
Cabin4,
I am staying out of this one, but do you mean secession, not succession? Two very different meanings.

Secession. Thanks and I modified the post. Not sure how that happened.
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« Reply #62 on: August 25, 2009, 01:35:11 PM »
Heat of the moment. No problem. I wish minnesota had somewhere to secede to, but canada blows and iowa sucks, no wonder we elect pols like ventura and franken.

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« Reply #63 on: August 25, 2009, 02:08:07 PM »
Heat of the moment. No problem. I wish minnesota had somewhere to secede to, but canada blows and iowa sucks, no wonder we elect pols like ventura and franken.

Nothing wrong with a state, any state becoming an independent & sovereign stand alone nation.
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« Reply #64 on: August 26, 2009, 04:53:09 AM »
In an article entitled "The Foundations and Meaning of Secession" which appeared in the Stetson Law Review (1986), Pepperdine University Law Professor H. Newcomb Morse provides convincing evidence that the American states do indeed have the right to secede and that the Confederate states did so legally.

First, three of the original thirteen states-Virginia, New York, and Rhode Island-ratified the U.S. Constitution only conditionally. Each of these states explicitly retained the right to secede. By accepting the right of these three states to leave the Union, has the United States not tacitly accepted the right of any state to leave? YES. If that was the condition, the condition applies to all.

Second, over the years numerous states have nullified acts of the central government judged to be unconstitutional. These instances where national laws have been nullified give credence to the view that the compact forming the Union has already been breached and that states are morally and legally free to leave. The North was violating states "Rights" therefor nullifing the Union. So actually, the North broke up the Union it just never made a formal decleration.

Third, and most importantly, the U.S. Constitution does not forbid a state from leaving the Union. According to the tenth amendment to the Constitution, anything that is not expressly prohibited by the Constitution is allowed. Therefore, all states have a Constitutional right to secede.

The problem we have had is that the history books are full of the victors side of events. There is no question, that constitutionally any sate can leave the Union. If it joined the Union and they did, they can remove the ties at their will. In addition, we can find clear evidence that our form of government gave more power to the states than to the federal government as dictated by the section 8 & 10. So the federal government is in NO position of higher authority on this specific issue than a state. The states are like the Supreme Court on this subject and more. They are the final rulers & arbiters on secession, not the feds.

Liberals and alike love to twist and contort this issue to provide cover for Lincoln’s illegal actions, aggression and killing spree. We always hear the cries about slavery from them on this as additional cover & justification for violating states rights and killing. And while we can argue the slavery issue, it has NOTHING to do with the issue of secession nor justification for Lincoln's acts. Liberals & alike MUST twist and Contort the constitution on this because they don’t agree with it. So twisting and contorting is their only means of trying to convince people to their side of this or any similar argument.
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Re: Lincoln Quote
« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2009, 10:45:55 AM »
  How far we wander with a bum start;

  http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.asp
 
  IMO: Lincoln wasn't as great as some northerners think and not as bad as some southerners think.

  BTW: Swampy, in your post on the first page (believe #29) You said something was the punishment "for the way WE treated native Americans". Sometimes I hear people complain how "WE owned slaves".   Please..do you have a mouse in your pocket that keeps saying "wee"..or perhaps you're French, and you're saying "oui".
  Surely, saying that WE mistreated native Americans or WE owned slaves, is a cockeyed suggestion..at least from my view.
 I was not involved at Wounded Knee, nor did I ever own single slave! Matter of fact I don't even know a single American who ever was a slave.

   Just to make one detail clear; I am a pure, bonified native American..born & raised in the "good 'ol USA, and I would wager a good share of the folks on this forum are the same.!
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« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2009, 11:10:27 AM »
As a nation we have payed and continue to pay for the acts commited by our fathers.
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Re: Lincoln Quote
« Reply #67 on: September 17, 2009, 02:01:18 PM »
As a nation we have payed and continue to pay for the acts commited by our fathers.

Lincoln must be a "father" as it relates to this statement. Clearly he carried out some of the most illegal actions against our constitution and committed some the most horrific atrocities of any president in our nation’s history. Had he lived to a natural death, I believe his legacy would not be so rosy and  revered by the constitutional illiterates and history book writers. His assassination seemed to garner sympathy and rose colored glasses of those that wrote the history books. He should have been arrested , tried and sentence based on all his countless illegal actions.

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« Reply #68 on: September 17, 2009, 02:13:41 PM »
I remember a history channel documentary " 80 Acres of Hell " or something to that effect.
It chronicled atrocities committed at Camp Douglas.
The documentary alleged that Lincoln gave an order that prisoners at this camp were to be mistreated, in retaliation for mistreatment of Union soldiers at a Rebel POW camp. 
Actual torture was carried out under this order, including prisoners being hanged by their thumbs, and being made to straddle a sawhorse that looked to be about 10 feet tall, remembering the photograph.  Weights were tied to prisoners feet, and they had to straddle that thing for hours at a time. Can you begin to imagine what it would be like to straddle that thing for hours, your testicles jammed against your pelvis with weights pulling down on your legs.

I grew up being taught Lincoln was 2nd only to George Washington as the greatest American president.
That sawhorse sticks in my mind, and Lincoln ordered this.
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Re: Lincoln Quote
« Reply #69 on: September 17, 2009, 03:37:35 PM »
Get the book called  The Real Lincoln.
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« Reply #70 on: September 17, 2009, 03:41:44 PM »
  One has to strain through a filter of logic, some of the things told on TV or the web, even the History channel. Many things got messed up during that ugly conflict.
  We were the toughest foe we ever fought, but Camp Douglas sounds as out of character for lincoln as Andersonville was for Jefferson Davis. personally, I believe the crimes were committed by camp comandants, without either president's knowledge.
   I watched a show on the history channel, which gave almost full credit for the cruelties at Douglas to the Swiss ex-patriate comandant.
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« Reply #71 on: September 17, 2009, 03:43:56 PM »
People believe what their preconceived notions let them believe.  I believe what history relates.
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« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2009, 04:13:52 PM »
People believe what their preconceived notions let them believe.  I believe what history relates.

I was educated in the public school system and was told and learned that Lincoln was a hero for saving the Union and ending slavery. I believed this for many, many years. I later did some research on my own that alerted me to just how completely false the history books are on this and so many other points concerning the civil war. We were brianwashed to beleive that the means justified the end, but are rarely told the details of what those "means" were.

When considering just the simple undisputable facts, anyone who could reach the conclusion that Lincoln was on the side of that which was legal and or moral, are complete and utter morons or just simply ignorant of the all the facts. I fear that you are a product of brain washing by false history books and reflect an all too apparent lack of desire to even consider that which is so abundantly apparent.

You either can’t see or refuse to see the forest because the trees are in the way. Lincoln is a hero and the damn the facts.
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« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2009, 04:23:17 PM »
Linclon was on God's side and God was on his.  That's all that matters.
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« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2009, 04:37:41 PM »
Linclon was on God's side and God was on his.  That's all that matters.

How do you know this? What facts, Biblical considerations or spiritual considerations can you offer me to think about?
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« Reply #75 on: September 17, 2009, 04:38:55 PM »
He won.....
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Re: Lincoln Quote
« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2009, 04:45:39 PM »
He won.....

This sounds like more "predetermination" bogus. The real reason you can't offer anything is because you really don't have a clue.

Obviously a small mind. Few words and no thought provoking information to offer as a basis for your position. You remind me of an insect that acts from pure instinctive reaction rather than any thought process. Speaking of God, He gave you a brain and he expects you to use it. When will you? Sad.
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« Reply #77 on: September 17, 2009, 04:57:51 PM »
Romans Chapter 8 verses 6,7, & 8

It is you my friend who doesn't have a clue.
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« Reply #78 on: September 17, 2009, 05:14:30 PM »
So there ya go. Whoever wins the war, God was on their side.  Did you hear that in the South?….all your relatives killed by the Union army were killed because God wanted it that way.

I just have to laugh that’s so dumb.

There appears to be a pattern emerging here Swampman, and it’s not looking good for you.
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« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2009, 05:38:43 PM »
Romans Chapter 8 verses 6,7, & 8

It is you my friend who doesn't have a clue.

 6.Now the mind of the flesh, which is sense and reason without the Holy Spirit is death, death that comprises all the miseries arising from sin, both here and hereafter. But the mind of the Holy Spirit is life and soul peace both now and forever.

7.That is because the mind of the flesh with its carnal thoughts and purposes is hostile to God, for it does not submit itself to God's Law; indeed it cannot.

8.So then those who are living the life of the flesh catering to the appetites and impulses of their carnal nature cannot please or satisfy God, or be acceptable to Him.

This is your explanation why God took a direct hand and active role in supporting Lincoln's march into the south to fight an illegal war and kill a few hundred thousand people and order the murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians. ::) ::) Unreal.

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« Reply #80 on: September 18, 2009, 01:30:50 AM »
Everything that happens is because God wanted that way.  He's God after all.

Romans 9:17  For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.



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« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2009, 02:58:10 AM »
I guess the word "repayment" could mean "prepayment".  Many of the outright atrocities perpetrated against the Native Americans happened AFTER the Civil War.
I don't think they were connected at all...

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« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2009, 03:30:35 AM »
Everything that happens is because God wanted that way.  He's God after all.

Romans 9:17  For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.





As I said, more Predetermination BS, viale and false Bible use.  Your use of it and Him are truely rediculous.You really are one of the complete morons I talked about in the earlier post. It would not be so bad if you at least quit using the Bible & God as your constant back-stop. Why don't you use the brain God provided you with and try building and explaining your position on the basis of law/constitution?
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« Reply #83 on: September 18, 2009, 09:05:44 AM »
I guess the word "repayment" could mean "prepayment".  Many of the outright atrocities perpetrated against the Native Americans happened AFTER the Civil War.
I don't think they were connected at all...

NGH

God knew they would happen.  The red man was almost eradicated by the time the south provoked the north.
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« Reply #84 on: September 18, 2009, 09:35:37 AM »
  tough job swampy. being "politically correct", isn't it. First you say native American, but then I point out that although I have no Indian blood in me (or very little)...I am native American.. :D But "indian" is not a truly politically correct term, since the original term came from  Columbus' search for a shorter way to east India. So now you have to say red man..but is that truly politically correct ?
   Might be best if we quit evaluating people by their color or origins... :D
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« Reply #85 on: September 18, 2009, 10:38:43 AM »
I haven't been.  The issue was slavery.  The Native Americans/Indians owned slaves of all colors.  The Africans owned slaves and sold them to Yankees who sold them to plantation owners and folks in the north as well.  Mrs. Linclon & U.S. Grant owned slaves.  The War was in payment for our treatment of the NDNs or whatever label you wish to give those who were here when we got here.  As thou soweth, so shall ye also reap.  We did!
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« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2009, 10:41:26 AM »
have we come to any conclusions here?   ;D
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« Reply #87 on: September 18, 2009, 10:49:02 AM »
Yup that swampy has no clue about anything but pretends to have all the knowledge of the world. Why you guys bother with him is the only thing I don't understand.


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« Reply #88 on: September 18, 2009, 10:50:33 AM »
have we come to any conclusions here?   ;D

Yes, someone, who I won't name has proven themselves once again to be ignorant.

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Re: Lincoln Quote
« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2009, 05:05:54 PM »
Romans Chapter 8 verses 6,7, & 8

It is you my friend who doesn't have a clue.

 6.Now the mind of the flesh, which is sense and reason without the Holy Spirit is death, death that comprises all the miseries arising from sin, both here and hereafter. But the mind of the Holy Spirit is life and soul peace both now and forever.

7.That is because the mind of the flesh with its carnal thoughts and purposes is hostile to God, for it does not submit itself to God's Law; indeed it cannot.

8.So then those who are living the life of the flesh catering to the appetites and impulses of their carnal nature cannot please or satisfy God, or be acceptable to Him.

This is your explanation why God took a direct hand and active role in supporting Lincoln's march into the south to fight an illegal war and kill a few hundred thousand people and order the murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians. ::) ::) Unreal.




Cabin 4!......I agree with GB. You waste your time and energy trying to debate with Swampwater.
It's apparent you, have studied American history( AFTER) the 12 years of Government brainwashing, and have arrived at the truth. There is nothing you can do to penetrate to his tiny,limited brain.

Use your knowledge, and time to educate the young around you to the truth. Don't waste it on those that can't handle the truth!
Freedom Of Speech.....Once we lose it, every other freedom will follow.